AndrewTS

This is incorrect. Atari did it first (remember that the newer Atari systems tended to all play the older systems' games, except for I *think* the 7800 (and Jag didn't support the older games either)--moot by this point in time, but don't credit Sony for some innovative idea they didn't come up with first. Plus, Sega did it also, because there was the Power Base converter and the Game-Gear-to-Master-System converter. Don't forget about Super Game Boy, either.

Pikmin 1 and 2, MGS: TS, and Mario Sunshine are all fine games as well.

Well, you've got: a Zelda that was the most lambasted by critics and fans since Zelda 2 plus TP isn't out yet Resident Evil 4 and VJ aren't exclusives anymore Mario Kart Double Dash is considered to be inferior to SNES MK and MK64 by most Paper Mario 2 is a good game, but easy and more "kid friendly" than the other major RPG franchises. BK and ToS are fine but comparing them and PM2 to the PS2's RPG library is a no-contest. The controller is different for the sake of being different. There is not one practical, sensible reason that its design is the way it is, and it isn't superior to the Dual Shock, IMO. And yes, it's comfortable, but that doesn't excuse the silly button layout. I like the DC's stick and button layout more, and it's less comfortable then the GC controller.

But you sure did a good job of it though. And I could see putting the SNES at # 1. I really don't have a problem with that, but to me the 4 player ability of the 64 pushes it past the SNES. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Naw, more like attacking that other guy's anti-N64 points. The SNES may have less good games than the PS1, but as mentioned, how many of the PS1 games hold up? Also not mentioned--the SNES games are easier to go back to and play. OTOH, any 3D PS1 game that's less than 30 FPS can give you a headache to play. Pull out Soul Blade and see what I mean--even at 30 fps it takes some getting used to (fortunately a lot of the later 3D fighters are 40+ fps, and I think the Tekkens and VF2 were 60).

4hart's blatant fanboyism (or delusional opinions) is undefendable...but... uz spl chk plz. A silly thing to say, because virtually every system in existence has at least one good game, and the N64 isn't exactly in VB/32x territory or lacking quality titles, or in 2600 areas of obsolescence, either. It was *the* game that made the critics eat crow 10 years ago, and yes, it has been since surpassed, but so has SMB, and it's still considered a timeless classic. Nostalgia can make it seem better than it really is, but the actual tasks to obtain the stars involved plenty of fun missions, rather than pointlessly collecting 1000 baubles per stage. It does plenty of things right that its progeny have missed out on. If you want to argue the Banjos, CVs, Conker, etc are virtually indistinguishable from Mario 64, there's no point trying to argue with you, because you're utterly clueless. But you're also presenting a very skewed viewpoint of the system's library. I wonder if F-Zero X counts as a kart racer indistinguishable from Mario Kart? How about the best version of Ridge Racer out until the PSP version? You forget it had the greatest number of quality First Person Shooters at the same save for PCs. Goldeneye, TWINE, the Turoks, Perfect Dark, the Doom upgrade, and the obligatory Quake and Hexen as well (which were superior to the PS1 versions graphically, IIRC). Plus there's the two Zelda games, and several excellent wrestling games, which several people in these forums had gotten the system at least partially for. "Original" would be used somewhat liberally with Paper Mario, Smash Bros, and VERY MUCH SO with Star Fox 64. There are other original games worth playing, though, although I admit most of the best N64 games are sequels/upgrades, but so are most of GBA's and GC's--that's par for the course with Nintendo. So you admit there *are* *at least* 5 good reasons, presumably more. Your arguments could use some work. Objectively, the N64 is a good system system, but the SNES has the most depth out of any of the Nintendo game libraries. The NES benefits quite a bit from nostalgia; the N64 may have just as many or more better games, but just about everyone here can name a dozen or more NES classics, which may be more difficult to cull from memory on N64. However, I do think it is somewhat silly to put it at number one over other Nintendo systems, and certainly it shouldn't be in the top 5 overall. Much better, but SFA3 can't really be directly compared to SSB. However, SFA3 was a technically limited port with tons and tons of extras. SSB has its tournament community, one that's pretty large from my understanding. I'm sure more ROMs are used for NES and SNES games, because they're a less difficult to obtain than N64 ones, honestly. However, I know I play my SNES more than the N64 overall.

Demo units are available already--and I think graphically they're not that big of a leap right now, but they're 1st gen titles. So I guess I'm not alone on that opinion. Every other launch title is a pretty rehash of something else, while Kameo's demo is good enough to make me want to try the full game. Kameo and Rumble Roses XX are the only titles I'm really hyped for right now.

You *can't* be serious.... Play it on normal, foo. Seriously, though, try it. I'm having a bit of a rough time of it, but it's just the right mix of fun and frustration. Out of what I've played, I'd say it's about 1/3 new, 1/3 familiar but heavily remixed, and 1/3 VERY close to the original. The game looks better than most DS titles--I would love to see how well Treasure could work their magic on a DS game. I noticed someone who looks just like him on the train right before you fight Seven Force. 1up has a feature on Treasure up, which subtly pisses on Gamefan (which is funny because they're barely on par with them most of the time). Truly the reviewers who hyped up Stretch Panic deserve mocking, but stuff like Gunstar and Yoshi's Island they tended to be on the money with.

More specifically...?

Surprising. I'd assume a panel completely made of Nintendo fanboys would be about equally split between NES and SNES, with N64 behind them.

I suggest whoever intends on picking this up to do it ASAP. I just got my copy from EB--when they opened the new shipment there were a tone of Resident Evil 4s (PS2), Ratchet Deadlocked, Soul Calibur IIIs....and three Gunstar Super Heroes--which will be gone by the end of the day between me and the employees. Not sure if that's the exception or the rule nationwide. The game looks and feels incredible. While I would have compromised for Megadrive visuals in exchange for 2-player, considering it's a portable and such an opportunity would be rare, it's not that bad. So far--a simple introductory stage, then you pick which moon to tackle. Just started Moon 1, which has a starting sequence where you're standing on top of an airplane, barrel-rolling away from shots. Then it's a graphically souped-up version of the original Gunstar's 1st stage.

Reminder-- Gunstar Super Heroes should be available tomorrow. I'd assumed 25th--but you know those ship dates, and recent wacky weather (at least in my area)... Hopefully I can pick it up and play a while before work.

I wish I could say I'm shocked.

I'm pleased at how the thread's taken off. Shyeah, right. Who are you kidding? One of the few launch titles I could go back and play (or if it wasn't launch, it was close). My favorite in the series is still TM2, which I still play from time to time to this day. Any handheld that is going to provide a haven for quality 2D titles is worth picking up. That's why PSP could hardly get a bigger "meh" from me. That, and the fact that I can play most of its good games on PS1 already. El Luchadore Magnifico: I've been considering that one as well, but the inability to rent DS games makes me a little leery. Evolution: ....um...what? When the heck did you buy it, anyway? PS3 I'll probably wait on. I've been checking out the rumored/probable launch titles, and it seems PS2 will suffice for me for a while. I checked out the X-Box 360 demo unit at EB today. So far, I'm only mildly impressed. Kameo is cool, although what I played seemed rather simplistic. Everything looks really pretty, but it's just a little prettier than current gen right now.

watching the tape of Raw--holy crap, did Edge go to the HHH School of Burying Every****ingbody on the mic? I hate to say it, but he needs a nice, long, sit down talk with Foley.

It's a house show, probably nobody will care.

Bah--somebody merge my post with this one I guess. Oh, forgot that I did find one 1 dollar game, Quake 3 DC.

MGS2 was also a factor for me, oh if only I knew... However, I had gone through the whole reserving spiel and picked it up on the release date.

Renegade hasn't replied, so I downloaded Buster's Hidden Treasure...and it's basically Sonic the Rabbit. Imagine Sonic sans spinning, and a little slower to pick up speed, and you've got a good idea of what the game is like. Not as tight or HQ, but still fun.

vivi: how much did you play it? I know that I, for one, *hated* the first hour or so of the game. The excessive enemies, the Time Bitch, all that damn Godsmack, the Balde Dancers who knock you to your death a few times, etc. Yes, that sucked. However, it has since tapered off, and the 2 hours or so I've played of it since buying it and continuing my game has been pretty darn fun overall. The free form combat is winning me over, too. I miss using the dagger in combat, though. Plus, in SoT it was nary impossible to end up falling off a ledge when fighting, while it can happen here.

SPP hasn't even been announced for the US, so patience...maybe they'll do ya bundle with SPP down the line. I'm sure Nintendo will will be having pink DSes by themselves in addition to the bundles, so worst case you'd have to buy them separately. I doubt it'll top Yoshi's Island, but hardly any games do.

Straightloop.com has a new "Pixelante" shirt--said phrase was coined by ol' Jack. Proceeds from sales of the shirt go to Child's Play. http://www.straightloop.com/

Is VHS okay? http://product.half.ebay.com/Blue-Collar_W...nfoQQprZ3066702 Never try to find even marginally rare stuff from Amazon. They'll really blow the asking prices out of proportion. EDIT: check your PM box, TOOG.

Not ready to splurge on the DVDs yet, but I really want to hear the director's commentary for B&R and BF. Which one has the better commentary track?

Warrior Within is now only 20 bucks! Got it at EB for $19.99, and seems to be the same price everywhere (well, Walmart for $19.82). After playing it for about an hour straight, I'm reminded it still is an awesome game. That hour was free of Balde Dancers, the Dahaka and the accompanying Godsmack riff of course. And since I'm bumping anyway, here's a recent OPM article on Two Thrones: http://www.1up.com/do/previewPage?cId=3144341&did=3

According to the CNN photographer, no they don't. Who the hell asks for a PHOTOGRAPHER's opinion on something like this?