AndrewTS

"Orton was very much over in his cocky-heel role when he won the title, so much so that he got cheered over Benoit in Canada. So why wouldn't putting him back as that character and giving him a win over Taker at WM elevate him to a superstar again?" Because it's a midcard character at best. Hell, I'm at a loss for telling that character from his current character. They're the same damn thing to me. Orton's just a pathetic suckup to the fans as a face instead of to HHH.

Actually..and don't quote me on this, because it might not have been you, but 'people' were saying that only some girls in the audience were cheering for him. And that's it. And to my knowledge thats not 'a midcard reaction'. One person said that. For some reason you agreed with it. But time and time again I've heard people comment that Randy's getting midcard heat, not "zero reaction" (like he *was* getting until perhaps as late as just before he won the IC title). I honestly can't tell how much of the crowd cheering for him is male versus female, but a midcard reaction is the very most that he's getting right now. I'm not trying to shortchange him. However, I'm not listening intently at the reactions he gets because his very presence on my TV annoys the fuck out of me. I'd dispute this point you made: I'm sorry, but Batista (up until his recent, awful, kiss-ass promos that you know HHH helped script) was just so calm, natural, and bad-ass the way he cut his promos, I can't see Orton doing the same job nearly half as well. Plus, Orton being booked as a monster simply would not work like it has with Batista. Orton still looks like he doesn't belong, IMO.

His matches are boring. Not flat out horrible like they used to be, but boring. His promos suck. He's a goofy-looking motherfuck who I could more believably see as a midcarder. His character is as bland as library paste smeared on white bread. The notion that he should be main eventing anything besides a house show in his home state right now is absurd to me.

I thought you said the entire IWC? Now it's just certain posters on this board? I'll agree that was about the time that anyone on this board really cared about him, but in the subsequent weeks after Mania, he was getting a chance to shine, and--pay attention to this part--he was winning over the crowds and getting over on his own. He was starting to get bigger reactions without a major push than Orton had been getting for most of his time getting pushed. He looked dangerous. He looked like a believable future star. Orton still looks like a goofy-looking frat boy. You mean this? Strawman argument. We're saying he's getting midcard reactions when he should be getting more. Which is what I already said. So when he was getting heavily pushed in Evolution and given the IC title he was getting heat? I should hope so. What does this have to do with today? Didn't he want to be face and fought bitterly to stay face recently? Wasn't he turned face because *he was getting face reactions*? Anti-smark Orton fans blaming HHH = delicious. Yeah--there's a solid argument. Even if the premises weren't horseshit, the conclusion doesn't follow from it. Nope. Batista isn't even on my WWE top 20 list. He's a guy I support only because of the reactions he's getting, not because I like his matches. Besides, you've admitted you like Orton only because "the IWC" hates him. In comparison, "I like him because of his suit" isn't so childish.

Xenosaga, with cinemas created by the CG team who did the FMV added to the FFC version of FF6, voice acting by the Resident Evil 1 voice actors, story and dialogue written by Uwe Boll, and the battle system of Final Fantasy Tactics Advance, but slower, with more stupid rules, and interrupted by CG cutscenes with long loading times. Dragon Ball Z: The Live Action Movie: The Game - the fighting engine would be handled by the people who brought you Fight Club. It would brought back the much-touted "digital skin" last seen in War Gods! 56 of the 60 fighters would be different versions of Goku.

Unless somebody, on a whim, takes Raimi off it and puts another director on the project, I wouldn't be too worried. Spider-Man 2 was less successful than the first but was still a huge hit.

This doesn't seem to make much sense, business-wise. It sold truckloads on GC and did rather well on XB I believe. Must be some politics going on with Sony, who Namco has often seemed to be joined at the hip with.

Why don't you kindly shut the fuck up? You're adding nothing to this discussion, and frankly the other Orton fans have much better points to add to this discussion than your repetitive anti-smark horseshit and strawman arguments. Batista stills sucks in the ring, but he's gotten over a lot more with less. Nobody said Orton was heatless either. We're saying he's getting mid-card reactions and is getting less heat than he should have gotten. If Batista wins, he'll still have heat but he'd need another decent program or two if he were to become an established big name. You know, just like any new champion? It's why Benoit's reign sucked. It's why Orton's reign sucked. Once the chase is over you have to switch gears. It's going to take more work to make a new face champ worth cheering for against his challengers than it would for an established face champ.

Orton will be over after WM if he beats Taker. Batitsa wont be, no matter what. Think ahead, not in the present. Actually this is the short sighted version of things. Where's the heat Orton got from Foley? It's gone. So why would he retain any heat from beating Undertaker? He's young. He's the future. He's got 20 years.

Orton will me over after WM Batitsa wont be. Think ahead, not in the present. Do they have any legends waiting in the wings to give him another heat injection come next WM?

Well, I still think the streak should stay intact. But there is a lot more upside there. And Edge is a much better wrestler than Orton, so the Batista argument doesn't hold up either. My main disagreement is Edge doesn't need that kind of push. A few wins over HBK and he's ready to headline. Brock Lesnar would've been acceptable during his time with the company. John Cena I think could pull off the win if his character was tweaked. Other than that there's not anyone I can think of on the roster who has enough potential right now. Good point. Orton "needs" the win because he's incapable of getting himself over by other means. He's not a good enough wrestler, he doesn't have a good enough character, he doesn't have the charisma, he doesn't have the right look. So let WWE shove him onto the motorcyle without a helmet before he's even stopped using the training wheels on his bike. If he rides the hog well, it was worth it. If he falls off and is smeared onto the street, well, they can always dust him off put him in the midcard and give him the Annual Complimentary Billy Gunn Push to see if anyone bites.

The Lita thing aside, I'd probably still be apprehensive about it, because I don't think Edge is exactly deserving of it either. However, yes, I'd be less opposed.

Well, yeah, that's about sums it up. Although, I'm all for giving Batista the ball to run with for a while. I like when risks are taken and new people (not just younger guys) are allowed to get a chance to shine. So why can't we wait until Orton is actually good and has developed an interesting character? What's the rush? He might get way too big an ego, get burned out, lazy, complacent, and opt to leave in a couple years.

You're kidding, right? I didn't even blink at it.

And Orton is older than Dupree. Let's give Rene the World Championship!!! How old is Taker's kid these days? Since half his genes came from Taker's loins he has potential.

Kahran: Batista's much older than Orton. Orton might magically get to be a better worker because he has more potential. Orton is the future. Are these the basic premises of the Ortonpologists?

Illogical argument? Non-sequitor? Or just a pile of horseshit? I can't decide.

For a TNA videogame they could easily farm it out to some awful no-name development house. Need I remind you about WCW Mayhem and Backstage Assault, too? I guess people are relying on the slim chance that the ex-Aki guys who worked on the Def Jam games would do it.

Approximately half of the general public, you mean? Count me in as one of the ones who doesn't give a damn either way, but instead of starving her can't they do something more humane like smother her with a pillow?

Doesn't every Dragon Warrior game have shitty graphics even for their time/system?

I never saw Rocky III. But the name "Thunderlips" sounds really, really stupid. "Stallone...big dude" Well, not height-wise.

Me as soon as Sharmell appeared on SD: "H-Reich's gonna want some of that black booty." I was JOKING, WWE! Joking! Damn you!

If HHH's wins/losses happen to form any sort of pattern, he'll win. LWWLWLWWL... Win? Then Loss next year? Hogan's the only one to come near Taker's record. No big shock there. Edge's streak possibly might be noticed now that Taker's is being mentioned so much. I could see him winning at WM unless they feel the need to de-push him over the Lita incident, but may feel it'd be better in the long term not to.

I was going to say that, but thought it was better and funnier left alone. Slayer: never posts unless he has something very important to get off his chest.

"Here's a thought. Maybe it was a good movie." Are you actually trying to make the argument that a movie's quality has jack shit to do with how well it actually does?