Rob E Dangerously

I don't think there's anything covering coordination between 527s and PACs and all that.

"Angleplex, i'm so gay for you!"

Oh, Rob, thought you might like this. Remember the whole: line? Well, went to opensecrets.org Care to guess what group is on the list of 527 committees? Why, it was ACT. And they're the THIRD largest spender. Weird, huh? WOW --- so was moveon.org. The sixth largest spender. WHOA! Shocking, huh? So, 527's aren't allowed to advocate the defeat of a specific candidate, right? http://www.opensecrets.org/527s/popup527.asp http://www.opensecrets.org/527s/popupPAC.asp http://www.opensecrets.org/527s/527grps.asp Hmm.. appears MoveOn and ACT are listed as PACs http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MoveOn.org And ACT would have a similar split with a 527 side and a PAC side. http://www.publicintegrity.org/527/report....aid=333&sid=300 http://www.opensecrets.org/pacs/topacs.asp?cycle=2004&Type=I and look, MoveOn made a PAC list too, we're all so proud! It's possible for an idea to be good, and also have no real shot of working in the real world.

Calvin Pickering is 2 for 2 with 2 home runs and a walk in his Royals debut Pickering already has 35 HRs in 299 AB for Triple-A Omaha The second home run was a 440ft shot to Center

The September PPV should be called PinFall and Patty, is that Maggie Gylanhaal in your avatar?

Wow, you really don't have anything, do you? -=Mike Nope, just 'coincidences'. And Ken Cordier (who was in the second SBV ad) was dismissed by the Bush campaign. I'd imagine calls to donate to 527s are all over Democratic party websites. And they're working with "Rock the Vote" too. You have a pretty broad definition of "smear" I guess it's time for a news flash: The NATIONAL GOP and the Collier County GOP are not quite the same thing, hate to burst your bubble. The national party has no association with them. I hope you limber up a bit before you make these stretches. -=Mike (on further checking, the call to donate was removed) but of course the National GOP and the Collier GOP aren't associated. The Collier GOP must be a rogue GOP, with links to Bush's site and various other GOP sites. Uh huh.. hehe

Yep. Care to mention any specific quotes mentioning Horton by name? So.. you do have proof that he mentioned Horton, right? And using the Mike Math. Furlough Program = Willie Horton. And for reference, the ad is here http://livingroomcandidate.movingimage.us/index.php and the controversy with some is more in what's implied, not what's said. But then again, with 16 years to really think about it, it's pretty obvious that the furlough program was a pretty bad idea. At least in the case of first degree murderers. I wouldn't exactly say idiot, loud is a good word for Matthews. He's not exactly adored by the left either. I've heard all sorts of things with that. *shrug* I don't care too much either way. There's nothing to suggest a meltdown. But maybe i'm being biased by waiting for more than a few days to declare a 'meltdown'

Wow, you really don't have anything, do you? -=Mike Nope, just 'coincidences'. And Ken Cordier (who was in the second SBV ad) was dismissed by the Bush campaign. I'd imagine calls to donate to 527s are all over Democratic party websites. And they're working with "Rock the Vote" too. You have a pretty broad definition of "smear"

let's go to the Fan Fiction from August 2002: Now, let's go to the review from VedGirl1201 Hmm.. not only can this girl not use capital letters, or proper grammar, she can't handle a joke. I hope she'll handle my response with poise and capital letters.

Meanwhile, file this under coincidence.. The Collier County Republican Central Committee web site: http://www.colliergop.org/ Notice anything interesting? (a snapshot is here if the Collier site changes)

Just a short bit on the second ad The testimony in the second ad will be in bold, the order in which the statement appeared in the commercial is in {}s Not just out of context, but out of order. Hmm.. captivating. And here's this internet-only (for now) ad: http://www.johnkerry.com/video/082104_old_tricks.html Those five Senators were Cleland, Kerry, Kerrey, Hagel and Lugar. "The man was not speaking for me. If you want to know my opinion about you, John, you served our country admirably and strongly, and I am proud of your record just like you are." - George W. Bush on Ted Sampley, who wasn't speaking for Bush, at a Bush event. "You paid for an event and stood next to a person. And when you were asked if you would repudiate him, you said, "no."" - McCain in response Strangely enough, the Bush defense to that was to counter the claims that he said no.. oh.. wait the defense was "McCain did this" "I'm going to see about what I'm putting on TV. And what I put on TV was looking in that camera and saying, "you can disagree with me on issues, John, but do not question... do not question my trustworthiness, and do not compare me to Bill Clinton."" http://www.pbs.org/newshour/bb/politics/ja...ebate_2-16.html Note: Sampley's now behind the "Vietnam Veterans against John Kerry"

Hmm.. i'm sure it's part of the Kerry master plan. Yes, everybody just tries to smear the Swift Boat Vets, usually by noting that the Official Navy Documents don't favor their stories, and by bringing up various people who were around Kerry. I assume you're endorsing coming right out to report something without checking into the story deeper. (Of course, it was evil smearing when the NY Times and the Washington Post did it) So, because they're 60 people and they signed something, they're more credible than the official military records? Got any backup on that "never served a moment in Vietnam" claim? Kerry did end up leaving the group due to him feeling it was getting too radical. Just for PSA purposes. Those wouldn't be the atrocities that he had heard of (as mentioned in his Senate testimony). hmm.. all 250? via the Washington Post (of the Evil): But.. of course.. you've taken "Swift Boat Veteran" to automatically mean 'Served with Kerry', as opposed to 'Served on a swift boat' Almost everybody who was on the same boat as he was. Oh wait, those people don't know anything.

And then the entire thing went downhill. *shrug* it happens. http://slate.msn.com/id/1003919/ Hmm.. but.. Al Gore brought up Willie Horton.. right? Then again, the entire thing appeared to unhinge Matthews anyways. yeah, a serious campaign, where a group emerges to start questioning what you did 35 years ago.. that Kerry/Weld campaign was nothing. John Kerry is unfortunately ending up like the Fonz and losing his cool. Ehhhhh.

It's just a coincidence that they found out that stuff on Hatfield.

Wasn't this folder started because of wrestling shit?

is EXTREMELY illegal under campaign finance law. They cannot endorse or oppose a specific candidate, if memory serves. Hmm.. I found some more stuff on that America Coming Together is a Political Action Committee Moveon.org is a Political Action Committee The Swift Boat Veterans are just a 527. (the source for all the quoted text and the ACT/Moveon/SBV info is here)

It could be overheating. Although, I lack the expertise to comment further

The whole thing is sorta futile to get into. Theories and all that will sell a lot of books for people, like the JFK assassination. There's a thin line with all this. http://madcowprod.com/books.html The top book (Welcome to Terrorland) teeters with the claims of CIA links to flight schools. Although the stuff about Mohammad Atta liking pork chops and having a stripper girlfriend is explainable. Read up on the Takfiris http://www.rotten.com/library/history/terr...kfir-wal-hijra/ basically they disregard Islamic law to blend in and execute their missions that accounts for Atta's Beastie Boy fandom, the strip clubs and all that. So yeah, there's a thin line between 'rational' and 'crazy'. Considering the 'poisoning of the well' (intentional and unintentional). (The Rotten.com library isn't too bad.)

and both men are fighting unarmed

It actually shows an absence of personal malice. -=Mike ...Absolutely the vets should be asked about it... http://www.usatoday.com/news/politicselect...erry-vets_x.htm

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/5765243/ *chuckles*

I thought Tyler removed the links after being told to. As for Kerry/Nixon.. is it Nixon 60, Nixon 68 or Nixon 72? from playing "President Elect" ( http://www.the-underdogs.org/game.php?id=839 ), I'll say that Nixon 72 is pretty much unbeatable. The game sounds interesting though. I have a copy of the Doonesbury game, but I don't think the CD works anymore. In fact, I have no clue where the CD is right now, I think it's in a box somewhere

JTTS, quit smearing the vets by bringing up what some of them said during the war and even during the 1996 Senatorial campaign.

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It's called a joke. Anyways, the desired come back was "Those pictures are out of context" Strange how Malkin "misheard" Keith Olbermann. "made a fool out of".. "idiot".. they sound alike too. Did you read the unnamed book? (I don't have any intention of buying either Malkin's book or "Unfit for Command". And it's not like i'm on a book review thread for either one) {one more note on Unfit, in theory, I could go to a bookstore, read it there, take notes and all that, that might take some time. Also, since there's no known sanction for downloading it for free, like with F9/11, that's not a recommended route} Hmm.. a quick check of the transcript shows us that she mentioned a SBVT claim (the sharpnel). WILLIE BROWN [Former mayor of San Francisco]: He volunteered twice. He volunteered twice in Vietnam. He literally got shot. There's no question about any of those things. So what else is there to discuss? How much he got shot, how deep, how much shrapnel? MALKIN: Well, yes. Why don't people ask him more specific questions about the shrapnel in his leg. They are legitimate questions about whether or not it was a self-inflicted wound. *checks transcript* first person to mention a SBVT claim: Malkin first person to mention the SBVT book: Malkin Damn Chris Matthews Hmm.. yeah.. I hate the cherry picked 1.3MB Kerry file on his awards that doesn't want to load for me ( http://www.johnkerry.com/pdf/jkmilservice/...ryrecords_1.pdf ) and I hate the 49 other cherrypicked documents