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I don't think anyone was advocating doing nothing. But I have said it before, and say it again, the Bush administration have gone about setting up for an attack on Iraq in the most cackhanded, half-assed way, that even if he comes up with some evidence now I don't think a lot of people will buy it. If he had just come out at the start and said we are attcaking Iraq for reasons A,B and C, I think he would have avoided all the trouble with his European allies. I do think the majority of European countries would have supported him if he had done this, but I think a lot of the goodwill after 9/11 has evaporated because of Bush and his team.

In a number of Scott Keiths rants he makes references to Konnan only being hired for access to the Luchadores and him having them by the balls so to speak. Whats all this about cause its been bugging me for a while?

Although it would be fair to say in the past that the U.K would be prepared to stand shoulder to shoulder with the U.S, it seems to me that the latest rumblings from Parliment is that very few M.Ps are willing to accept the war on Iraq. It seems to be the first real issue were there is A LOT of concern from Tony Blair that he could be in big trouble if he makes the wrong choice. Half the country is for an attack, half against, so it could go either way.

As far as I know they can only be charged as juvenilles. This is something that I have seen an upswing in recently, especially in Northern Ireland where I live. Ive heard of kids as young as ten throwing concrete blocks off bridges onto passing cars and you routinely hear of kids as young as 12 being shot in the legs by paramilitarys for offences ranging from joyriding to drug dealing. I think its come to the point were we must take a look at how we treat and judge children involved in crime. We simply can't look at them as poor wee dears who have been led astray, these are children who have only seen crime and violence through heir entire lives. But how do we solve this, I have no idea.

Youv'e been pretty cool with me so far, so I voted like.

Just want to say thanks for backing me up in current events. Im just glad everything got sorted out in the end. Just want to let you know your help was appreciated. Plus your a Benoit fan so its all good

Thanks for the help

You have the right to remain silent...... oh, wait

LOL, thats a classic. I can just see the Gendarme handcuffing a corpse that has just dropped dead, and loading it into the back of a police car.

Yeah, but in these kinds of cases they always get special treatment because of the risk to their life. P.S: Am I the only one disgusted with the media turning this whole thing into a circus, I think it was when I saw photographers scrambling over themselves to get a picture of the van carrying that I realised how sick it all was.

Um actually.. no

Id mark Eddy up a couple of notches if he didn't use that irritating voice he has at the moment. Personally I like Benoit a bit better, just cause of the aura he has around him.

I read this in the Guardian yesterday, I couldn't find a link on the internet so i'll try to explain it the best I can. Apparantly a U.S General, Van Riper, I think his name was resigned his post in protest at the U.S war games that took place recently. He said he was resigning because the games were fixed so that the American side would win, even though his forces, which were supposed to represent a middle eastern nation beat the American side in 2 of the games. Apparantly U.S forces were allowed to resart after they were destroyed, and he was told to deploy his troops in such a way as to weaken his side. These games were supposed to test new military tactics for the army. If this is true isn't it a really bad idea to collect faulty information by rigging the games. I would like to hear what people have to say on this, especially Marney since you say you train Military Officers (at least I think that is what you said. I will try and find the article I was reading in case I have made any mistakes, but I think it is accurate.

Thanks for that, it was interesting to read. The difference between me and you I think is that, this one thing came out of the blue. It has never happened before on U.S soil and the shock must have been immense. Where as over here we have had over 30 years of terrorism. While we have a peace process it is far from perfect. The army and police have been shown to be in collusion with terrorists for years and helped orginise murders of innocent catholics, whilt the IRA have blown up men, woman and children. The whole things such a scummy mess that I could never see myself supporting either Britain of a united Ireland. But I do love the land I was born in and could never leave, I just dislike a hell of a lot of the people. Hope that makes sense I feel like I am rambling

I thought that was Wagner Jr. I've only ever seen one lucha match so I have no idea who half the guys are when i see pictures of them

Yeah, me too. Im glad this got sorted out. Things went a bit overboard on the current events forum, and for that I apologise.

Fair enough, I wasn't trying to be hypocritical, I just think there is a time and a place for this sort of thing. I suppose because its politics things will get quite heated from time to time and it should be expected. For the record I don't like your views, but I respect your obvious conviction and belief in them. Funny, I didn't think i'd have your respect. I feel quite proud

It's amusing that you can say this in the middle of a post which is entirely and exclusively a personal attack. At least I insulted you in the context of a debate on issues. And you got it. Don't cite views if you're not prepared to defend them. I'm not interested in what the world thinks. Debate is personal. If you're going to make a point, make it yourself. Don't be a coward and hide behind someone else's words which you don't support, and then get upset and indignantly self-righteous when you're taken to task for citing them without comment. That's called flame-baiting, or trolling. Besides, it makes you look ridiculous. . That was then and this is now. I will treat you with respect in the current events folder. At least I have the decency to contain my attacks in NHB where they belong Funny I would have called wanting to bomb a major religous site flame baiting. Guess I must have been mistaken. I think this should look better now

I was going to let this rest, but fuck it. I don't like you Marney. I don't like your views, I don't like the way you word them and I don't like your attitude to the other posters. I find some of the things you come out with repellent. But would I bring this into the forums? No, I wouldn't. I believe in being courteous and giving people a chance to air their views. If I don't agree with them, fair enough, i'll them that. What I won't do is resort to personal slurs and insults. We are not children, and I don't agree with this playground mentality you seem to posesse. I was enjoying our conversation in current events at the start. I never once attacked your country, I simply repeated the views of other people I know and asked for a response. Then for some reason you decided that it would be easier to flame me than try to debate. What do you have to gain? I defended you in this post earlier, but now I wish I hadn't bothered. You are quite intelligant, that much is obviousm, but your'e pointless flaming is tiresome and banal. You need to get over this bloated self-importance of yours.

Yes, just as an accusation of anti-semitism is an extremely serious defamation of character. I went back and read that post again. I thought that, yes, you may have meant Europeans in general, but someone just scrolling down and skimming over the post could get the wrong idea. Next thing i know I will be black-balled on this site for being a racist. How hard would it have really been for you to say "sorry what I meant was..." to begin with. When it is someones reputation that comes into question, especially someone who is new to this board, i think a little decorum would not go amiss.

Simply that you are a friend of Dr Toms and therefore you get away with a hell of a lot of shit that other posters wouldn,t. If im wrong i apologise but I think its the truth

You sound pretty sure of yourself, I think I know why and if so it stinks

I thought this could be resonable, but if I do not get an apology I will go the administrators. It is defamingmy character to accuse me of racism without an shred of proof. I have not once made one racial slur here. I tried to keep this as cordial of possiable, but you have crossed the line.

Yes, I know that, I just thougt that it was a bit strange, especialy when this is to test new tactics.

I would love to see a trilogy of WW2 what if movies, so you could go into the altered war in detail. Say starting with the attack into France and ending in 1946 with the final soviet thrust into Germany. You could put a number of altered scenarios into it such as Rommels victory in Africa and thrust into the Caucusus, or the IJN winning Midway. I would mark out like crazy if this happened