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Little correction: The match was not from the Winter Combat CHV. It was from the first episode of "Action Zone".

If Piper didn't take a clean loss in 17.5 years then he was better protected than any promoter's son ever was.

Either Piper has a bad memory or he loves to kayfabe (probably both). Adonis pinned him, Rude did, Snuka did, Flair did, Bret did, I'm sure Andre did. And that's just the WWF run.

Yep, it's the same version.

Pretty sure this is the same version that's on the Benoit DVD. Benoit's WWE music is used and Bret's is altered as well. I'm watching it now. If it is the full match, and I don't think it is, I'll post later.

I never heard anything regarding that and considering Bret's health, I don't think he could physically do it. Nevermind the fact he's an unknown in Hollywood.

The original commentary is there for all the matches except those I already noted. Bret vs. Bam Bam has the Spanish commentary instead of what was used on Global Warfare Bret vs. Dibiase has no commentary Harts vs. Rockers has Jesse edited out

Was able to find one easter egg by accident but haven't been able to get to it since. On the 7/85 MSG match with the Bulldogs, I was at the end of the segment trying to rewind to where the bell rings. For some reason, my screen froze on the last frame (Neidhart's back) and when I pushed play, I could hear Dynamite Kid cut a promo on teaming with the Kiwis to face the Hart Brothers. So either my DVD was acting up or it's a hidden audio clip. Oh and btw, Piper says Bret ended his 17.5 year undefeated run

Yep, it was from Vol. 3. Still don't know why the commentary was edited out of Bret / Dibiase. I think it was Schiavone and Hayes and they both appear in other matches. Thought it was pretty interesting they left the Spanish commentary intact for Bret / Bigelow. It's the same match from Global Warfare, which I think had JR, Savage, and Heenan on commentary. As far as the DVD itself, I think you'll learn a lot even if you're a longtime Hart fan. One of the more interesting points was Bret never would have guessed in a million years he would have gotten over as a world champion. It wasn't until the time of WrestleMania 9 that he considered himself worthy of the role and thought it was a major injustice that Hogan took the belt at the end of the show. George Scott pushed for Bret to be a cowboy character in the WWF, as he was in Japan, and come out on a white horse. Neidhart made fun of the idea so much that Bret had to go up to George and say he couldn't do it but wanted to try a tag team with Neidhart and Jimmy Hart. George put the three together as a favor, never intending it to take off.

I picked it up at Wal-Mart earlier today. Just finished the main feature.

I'll join. I don't have much else to do at 12:55 am on a Saturday

They taped interviews back in August. I think with Piper, they had Steve Lombardi giving him leading questions like, "Bret Hart says he's the best of all time. Is that true?" I believe Flair and perhaps Lawler were on that list too.

Same here. *Nevermind* Saw it linked elsewhere. Good stuff.

Not quite all of them. Here's a quote from yesterday's Observer: Due to time constraints, a lot of the matches that Hart wanted on were removed, most notably the Iron Man match with Michaels. There is fear that some will think it was Hart's choice to leave it out as a slight to Michaels, when in fact, he wanted it on and WWE needed to edit to fit time, and that match was 63:00 between match and intros (had to be longer than that since the match was over 61). There are Stampede Wrestling matches in the documentary itself, but not on the DVD as separate matches. There were a few he wanted on that were cut due to time. Also, Hart's match with the 1-2-3 Kid from Raw, which Hart really wanted on, may have been cut by the company for time reasons. Just as a trivia note. When Vince made the call to production to change the negative DVD to a positive DVD, but before Hart had sent his match requests for the DVD in, the DVD was only going to include eight matches. The focal point was going to still be the Survivor Series match with Michaels, and Hart insisted that not even be included except in highlight form. The other matches they wanted were Hart vs. Undertaker from Summer Slam (Hart nixed it because he thought the England match was better), Bret vs. Owen cage match from SummerSlam (nixed because he thought Mania and White Plains were better), Bret vs. Davey Boy from Wembley (still in), Bret vs. Piper from WrestleMania (Hart had it taken out because he thought he had better matches), Hart vs. Benoit from Toronto (Hart had it replaced by their better match in Kansas City), Hart Foundation vs. Bulldogs where Harts won the tag title (not even relaly a match because Dynamite literally couldn't walk and they did a very quick double-team and beat up on Davey - highlights air on the documentary but the match was not included and replaced by a 1985 house show match with Dynamite before his serious back injury) and Hart vs. Mr. Perfect from 1991 SummerSlam (still in). Between the documentary change, the complete overhaul of the match line-up, and the facing of deadlines, the production people worked literally 24 hours a day that last week to put it together and they deserve a ton of credit for the finished product, no matter how it turns out ... For whatever this is worth, when Hart asked Piper about his comments, because on the original piece Piper, who Hart has always been close with, was very negative. Hart wasn't really hurt by what Michaels said and Hogan, but I think it just opened his eyes to what people had always told him about Hogan. Piper did hurt. Piper told him he was just told to say bad things about him and he felt the light was on and he was just doing a promo and nothing more.

If it's true that they never said "ECW", I didn't notice it. Great documentary. I picked it up at Wal-Mart a few weeks back.

It's a fake, plain and simple. Shawn Michaels was too hot in 1996 to lose the belt that quickly to a fellow babyface. If you go to this page and scroll down to the July 25th poster, you can see the original ad. All they did was take Shawn out and put Warrior in - http://www.angelfire.com/wrestling/cawthon777/96a.htm

Here were the runners up that year: The Steiners vs. The Heavenly Bodies (Summer Slam) Rick Rude vs. Dustin Rhodes (Beach Blast) Cactus Jack vs. Big Van Vader (Halloween Havoc) I remember not being too into Marty / HBK back when it aired live. There were much better matches that year.

It's a former Columbia House release (from the 1993 home video series). The only IC video that Coliseum put out was back in 1987.

I was referring to the story involving him and Pat Patterson. Pat is talking about whether Al should be face or heel and said, "Well, you can go both ways." Legend has it that Al didn't like the implications of that statement and left.

It might have helped his chances if he didn't run out of the WWF. At least that's the story.

Randy Savage pre 1993

I think the upset would have been the other way around on the Yoko match. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Savage was still being protected and Yoko hadn't faced anyone higher than Virgil or Koko B. Ware on TV. To get a semi-clean pin on free TV was a shock to me. Here's the Hart match: WWF @ Brandon, Manitoba - Keystone Centre - September 22, 1992 (6,000) Wrestling Challenge taping: Prime Time Wrestling - 10/12/92: Bret Hart defeated Blake Beverly (w/ the Genius) via reverse decision; Blake had originally won the match at 10:10 with a double axe handle after Bret became distracted by Beau at ringside, forcing him to release the Sharpshooter; Sgt. Slaughter came ringside to tell the referee what had happened and the decision was overruled

Blake Beverly over Bret on Prime Time in the fall of 92. It was overturned but for flimsy reasons. Yokozuna over Savage at Road to WrestleMania 9. DDP winning Battlebowl 96.

I think you're right. I believe the painting was given to smooth things over between the two.

In some markets, a Snake Pit segment was shown in which Jake hit the DDT on Hogan. It was done to promote Jake / Hogan in the areas where they would be wrestling. They only had a handful of matches in late 86 / early 87, immediately before Jake turned babyface. I think I have one or two instances of Bret vs. Jake, either in singles or 6-man tags. It was during 87-88. I don't think Bret remembers them because he said recently that Jake was one of the guys he would have liked to have wrestled. IIRC, Lawler gave Warrior a painting of the Ultimate one ... Warrior told him off, Lawler broke the frame over Warrior's head. Something along those lines.