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Steamboat had gone through a major de-pushing after losing the IC strap. He was still popular but not nearly as hot as Savage at that point.

At the time HHH got injured, there weren't any plans for an Invasion. WWF was still working under the assumption that WCW would be its own separate entity. Part of the reason they hotshotted the Invasion angle was due to losing HHH for the year and messing up all their plans. He was supposed to turn face and challenge Austin through the summer. If I recall correctly, the reason he joined up with Austin the night after WM 17 is because he didn't want to turn face and feud with him. You could tell they were heading that direction though. First, Triple H teases a face turn the night after Mania. Then Austin accidentally costs him the IC title at Judgment Day yet Trips still helps him beat Taker later in the night. Then they lose the tag belts, which at that point was one of the few things keeping them together.

They really didn't turn babyface until the match with the Quebecars. The Quebecars were such strong heels, the Headshrinkers with Albano were the default babyfaces. Wasn't there an angle where Captain Lou was coming back and he was going to pick a tag team to manage to take out The Quebecers (the then tag team champs). I vaguely remember The Bushwhackers and The Smoking Gunns being involved in this storylines as teams that Captain Lou might pick. Then he ended picking The Headshrinkers for no reason and thus they became babyfaces. Am I crazy or did something like this actually happen? I don't personally remember the details but this is the info I have: WWF @ Poughkeepsie, NY - Mid-Hudson Civic Center - February 21, 1994 Road to WrestleMania X - 3/13/94: WWF Tag Team Champions the Quebecars defeated Mike Bell & PJ Walker following the Boston Crab / legdrop off the top combo; during the bout, Capt. Lou Albano appeared at ringside to watch the match WWF @ Poughkeepsie, NY - Mid-Hudson Civic Center - March 21, 1994 Monday Night Raw taping: 3/21/94: WWF Tag Team Champions the Quebecars (w/ Johnny Polo) defeated the Bushwhackers in a non-title match at 8:44 after Pierre connected with a knee to Butch's back; after the bout, Capt. Lou Albano came out and challenged the champions to face a team of his choosing 3/28/94 - included Cornette conducting an in-ring interview with WWF Tag Team Champions the Quebecars and Johnny Polo in which Capt. Lou Albano came out to interrupt; moments later, Albano went backstage and returned with the Headshrinkers and Afa

He had plenty to the Warrior. Other than that, nothing else comes to mind. In the fall of 89, Andre was doing 30-second jobs to Warrior. This was usually immediately after the Rockers / Rougeaus 60-minute marathon matches.

They really didn't turn babyface until the match with the Quebecars. The Quebecars were such strong heels, the Headshrinkers with Albano were the default babyfaces.

FYI, I found an online newspaper archive last night so I've added several dozen new clippings to the WWE, WCW, and ECW sections.

Over the past few weeks I've started to collect WCW and ECW show clippings - newspaper ads, event posters, etc. Just wondering if anyone might have a few lying around that could be added to the collection. I don't need the physical clipping, just a .jpg. Here's what I have thus far. WCW - A good number of Clashes, Nitros, and pay-per-view posters from 89 to 01. ECW - Slim pickings at the moment. Right now it's limited to 1 card from 2000 and an ad for Beyond the Mat (it was worth adding, IMO). If you do have anything or know of somewhere I could find more, let me know. I'd appreciate it. I'd love to find a Sid / Vader ad for Starrcade 93. That was the match advertised in my cable guide that month.

Piper to this day says that was his first pinfall loss in ... 15 years or something. He had a number of others during that WWF run, some were clean, some weren't. - Rick Rude - Adrian Adonis - Mr. Perfect - Jimmy Snuka - Ric Flair To name a few.

WWF @ St. Louis, MO - Arena - October 4, 1987 (1,976) Nikolai Volkoff pinned Hillbilly Jim Don Muraco pinned Bob Orton Jr. The One Man Gang pinned the Junkyard Dog at around the 4-minute mark Davey Boy Smith & Billy Jack Haynes defeated Demolition via disqualification Billy Jack Haynes (sub. for Ricky Steamboat who was supposed to be the sub. for Jake Roberts) defeated King Kong Bundy via count-out Paul Orndorff defeated Rick Rude via count-out WWF Women's Champion Sensational Sherri pinned Velvet McIntyre by using the tights for leverage after a crossbody from the challenger resulted in Sherri rolling on top for the win The One Man Gang won a Royal Rumble when both he and the Junkyard Dog went over the top at the same time after 12 minutes; pre-match stipulations stated the winner would earn a world title shot for the next show in St. Louis on 11/7 but OMG's title shot was announced during intermission, angering fans Anyone know if there's a bootleg of this show in existence? Not that I've seen.

WWF @ St. Louis, MO - Arena - October 4, 1987 (1,976) Nikolai Volkoff pinned Hillbilly Jim Don Muraco pinned Bob Orton Jr. The One Man Gang pinned the Junkyard Dog at around the 4-minute mark Davey Boy Smith & Billy Jack Haynes defeated Demolition via disqualification Billy Jack Haynes (sub. for Ricky Steamboat who was supposed to be the sub. for Jake Roberts) defeated King Kong Bundy via count-out Paul Orndorff defeated Rick Rude via count-out WWF Women's Champion Sensational Sherri pinned Velvet McIntyre by using the tights for leverage after a crossbody from the challenger resulted in Sherri rolling on top for the win The One Man Gang won a Royal Rumble when both he and the Junkyard Dog went over the top at the same time after 12 minutes; pre-match stipulations stated the winner would earn a world title shot for the next show in St. Louis on 11/7 but OMG's title shot was announced during intermission, angering fans

The trial was summer of 94. Nailz attacking him was December 92. So not that. I'd be shocked if it was a work.

Meltzer reported Davey was in on the fight. He was sporting a black eye the next day at the Syracuse house show. This is how it was reported in the Observer, copy and pasted from a discussion on my board a while back. 10/23/95: Bill Watts officially quit the WWF on 10/13 over an apparent disagreement with Vince McMahon over what being in charge constituted. Later that evening, outside a bar in Syracuse, NY, Shawn Michaels was involved in a one-sided street fight with several servicemen and was pounded into the pavement and hospitalized. He will be appearing at the In Your House PPV although it may be a rare occasion where he'd be the one who would have to be carried. Just one day earlier, the WWF had officially received word that the Undertaker had suffered a broken orbital bone (the bone that holds the eye in the socket) several days earlier and would be out of action for at least one month, definitely missing the 10/22 PPV show in Winnipeg where his match with King Mabel was considered the semi-main event… Numerous stories have evolved stemming from the situation where Michaels, 30, was beaten up and hospitalized. What is consistent in all versions is that Michaels, Davey Boy Smith and 1-2-3 Kid were drinking at a bar in Syracuse, NY near their hotel, coming into town after matches earlier that evening in Binghamton. The wrestlers called for a taxi to take them to their hotel, but the taxis in town were all booked up as it was closing time on a Friday night. One of the bouncers got his girlfriend to drive them back. As the wrestlers left, between eight and ten servicemen (depending upon the report) followed them outside the bar. One of them started calling Michaels a "fag" and another tried to throw a punch at Kid into the car. Michaels either got out of the car or was pulled from the car and the car door was slammed on his head. Michaels ended up being knocked down with several of them stomping him in the head and smashing his face onto the car bumper before Smith and Kid got out of the back seat in the two-door car and got involved in the altercation, whereupon several more guys who appeared to be servicemen showed up. Kid was on the ground wrestling with one of them. Smith dragged off one of the guys who was attacking Michaels, who was helpless by this point. He was leg-dived from behind by a second guy, but ended up quickly getting him in a front facelock and was choking him out when a third guy from behind stuck his finger in the left corner of his eye and tried to pull his eye out. He turned around and began fighting him when what appeared to be an undercover police officer showed up and pulled a gun, sending the servicemen running into two white Ford Broncos where they left the scene. Smith worked that evening in Syracuse, NY but had scratches on his face and reddish/black right eye from broken blood vessels in the eye from the fight that was noticeable to fans at the matches. Kid, who wasn't hurt in the melee, worked a match with Bob Backlund that contained absolutely no action. Michaels was taken to the hospital after 3 a.m. that evening, with both his eyes swollen shit and had the side of his face badly swollen and blood coming from his eye and his ear. He needed 10-stitches both above and below the eye to close wounds and sew back on his eyelid that was nearly ripped off, and also may have busted his eardrum. However, Michaels suffered no concussion or broken bones in the face and was released from the hospital in the morning and flew home to San Antonio to recuperate. There was no police report of the incident as of press time although the WWF said on television Monday night that a police investigation in Syracuse was going on, nor was it reported in any of the local media. In fact, on Tuesday morning, local police claimed to not be even aware of any such incident. There were reasons potential publicity could be regarded as embarrassing for the WWF, such as not wanting more publicity because of the fact two wrestlers who were wrestling one another were together (Michaels and Smith) and the fact that technically Smith's legal problems regarding an alleged bar incident in Calgary haven't been completely closed. However, it was acknowledged on Raw with Michaels doing an interview from his home talking about the incident in very vague terms. It was acknowledged on Nitro as well with one of Gene Okerlund's sleaziest 900 line come-ons to date (which did result in a record amount of business for any Monday in hotline history) saying how a WWF star came out on the short end of a fight with a "fan," which contrasted with the Raw version being Michaels being jumped by "ten thugs unprovoked" with no acknowledgement of Smith and Kid's involvement for obvious reasons. Michaels on Raw said he would be wrestling in Winnipeg and pretty much said that he wouldn't be nearly 100% for a match. The WWF had no events scheduled this week, so after missing his Saturday and Sunday bookings (Marty Jannetty was flown in as an emergency replacement and was put over in a Battle Royal to earn a match with Smith and won that match as well. Even when it comes to the heel challenging for the title on a PPV one week later, WWF policy is when there is a main event replacement, and in this case, the top two attractions on the show not being there, the sub babyface always goes over so the fans leave less with the felling of being ripped-off), Michaels' next scheduled match was with Dean Douglas on the Winnipeg PPV. At both weekend shows in Syracuse and Utica it was announced before the shows of the injuries to both Michaels (said to be from an out of the ring altercation) and Undertaker that a Battle Royal had been added to the shows. Michaels is expected to work the PPV, although that wasn't 100% certain as of press time. 10/30/95: An update on the incident involving Shawn Michaels, Davey Boy Smith and 1-2-3 Kid and Michaels not wrestling on the In Your House PPV event on 10/22 and forfeiting the IC title to Dean Douglas (who immediately lost the title to Razor Ramon that night) Although for obvious reasons (the involvement of Smith, who was working a house show program with Michaels at the time, in saving Michaels) not giving the complete actual story, the WWF wasn't technically dishonest either in how it handled the story. In mid-week, Michaels' neuro-surgeon told him he would advise against him even taking the trip to Winnipeg, and strongly advised against wrestling. This came after the weekend syndicated shows were taped where it was stated as fact that Michaels would wrestle on the show. On Action Zone, which is done later in the week, the WWF still strongly indicated Michaels would be wrestled but wasn't 100% as earlier in the week. They underplayed that he odds were great that he wouldn't be wrestling. During the pre-taped pre-game show, Todd Pettingell talked about Michaels wrestling on the show as a given, although they inserted an updated segment with Jim Ross and Gorilla Monsoon, which appeared to be done either live or earlier that day in Winnipeg, saying it was questionable and basically saying Monsoon had yet to decide whether to allow Michaels to wrestle but that his doctors didn't want him to wrestle but he wanted to wrestle. By that time it should have been a certainty that they knew it wasn't going to happen. Monsoon said if Michaels couldn't wrestle, they'd still have an IC title match and that Douglas would be awarded the title and defend against a mystery opponent. It wasn't until the show began that it was acknowledged Michaels wasn't going to wrestle, and that Douglas' opponent would be Ramon. WWF had been more honest that the generally dishonest wrestling business had been in similar situations in regard to Undertaker, and even with the Michaels up to that point, particularly if you compare it with WCW's totally dishonest misrepresentations and handling of injuries to Rick Steamboat and Rick Rude prior to PPV shows where they were in key matches. However WWF, possibly because Undertaker was already missing the show, didn't want to let anyone know that Michaels would miss the show as well because it would potentially hurt late buys. Certainly they could have gotten the word on the pre-game show, and probably on Mania for that matter, of the back-up plan should Michaels not be working and giving the true likelihood of that happening. The fact that the 1993 hierarchy and the 1991 WWF hierarchy would have fraudulently hid both the Michaels and Undertaker injuries from the public shouldn't make one compliment an organization that tried to be more honest than the dishonest rules of American pro wrestling, but in the end, resorted to the traditional con game. The situation as far as credibility was doubly bad, because WWF was coming off a PPV show in which it had guaranteed a title change, and then did a screw-job finish and not delivered on a guarantee it attempted to hammer home (remember the statements about a title changing on a DQ or COR the week before the show). The last show was a booking decision that resulted in false hype and advertising of the headline match. This was a combination of unfortunate circumstances beyond the company's control which they started off being very honest in handling, but in the end, where the chips were down, they resorted back to being sleazy wrestling promoters. As for the incident on the WWF's bad luck Friday the 13th in Syracuse, NY, the police reports of the incident only slightly differed with the account given to us by as reliable a source as would be possible given the circumstances. Despite it being said on Raw the past two weeks about a police investigation, the case was already closed at the time they made that statement the first time since both Michaels and WWF agent Dave Hebner refused to press charges the day after the incident took place. The slight differences in last week's Observer and the police report were that in the police report, apparently largely derived from Waltman, the men who instigated the incident were yelling insults at the driver of the car, Donna Jones, and not at Michaels. The police report stated that Michaels was in the front seat, but was intoxicated and had passed out and was actually asleep when he was pulled out of the car and mercilessly pummeled and had no chance to defend himself. It stated that there were three people in the back seat of the two-door car, Waltman, Smith, and a third person named Robert Jones, with Smith in the middle between the two which because of his size and being in a two-door car, compounded the time before he was able to get out of the car and basically pull the perpetrators off Michaels. The police reported ten assailants, not nine, and said the fight was broken up when Donna Jones, who was apparently the girlfriend of a bouncer at the Club 37 in the Ponderosa Plaza in Syracuse where this was taking place in front of, ran into the club and two bouncers came out (not an undercover officer as reported here) and the perpetrators escaped in two white Ford Broncos. One of the broncos turned around and attempted to run over one of the bouncers, Tony Alberti. The police report stated nothing about the perpetrators being Marines or servicemen, although the entire group had short crew-cut haircuts similar to Smith. The police report stated Michaels suffered a laceration of the right eyelid and right cheek below the eye, two black eyes, swelling and blood coming from the ears and right eye.

Thank god they didn't, considering Sid walked out 3 weeks later and was suspended / fired as a result. Now did he walk out of the Boston Garden BECAUSE he didn't beat Hogan? I can't answer that. The guy was just starting a run against the Ultimate Warrior and fared well against Taker on the UK tour.

I can't explain why it's there but I can vouch for it.

I think it was done to 1) promote the return of the Roadie as a babyface and 2) trash Jarrett who had just showed up in WCW.

Watching Anarchy Rulz 99 at the moment. Just finished Super Crazy vs. Tajiri vs. Guido and now I'm to Credible vs. Sabu.

I'm torn between this and Heroes as my new can't-miss TV show. Fantastic stuff so far.

It's just a rerelease of a 1995 home video. Zero DVD extras. As far as Tombstone, here's the match listing. Yeah, I'd call it comprehensive. Tombstone: The History of the Undertaker (8/23/05) - The Undertaker (w/ Paul Bearer) pinned WWF World Champion Hulk Hogan at 12:45 to win the title following a tombstone onto a steel chair, placed in the ring by Ric Flair (Survivor Series 91 - 11/27/91; Detroit, MI; Joe Louis Arena) - WWF World Champion Yokozuna (w/ Mr. Fuji & Jim Cornette) defeated the Undertaker (w/ Paul Bearer) in a casket match at 14:20 after Bam Bam Bigelow, Crush, Kabuki, Tenryu, Diesel, Jeff Jarrett, Adam Bomb, and the Headshrinkers interfered; after the match, the Undertaker was shown on the big screen and said he would never rest in peace before he ascended to the top of the arena (Marty Jannetty played the role of 'the Undertaker' that was lifted into the air) (Royal Rumble 94 - 1/22/94; Providence, RI; Civic Center) - The Undertaker (w/ Paul Bearer) pinned Diesel with a chokeslam and the tombstone at 16:47; during the bout, Diesel hit two consecutive powerbombs (WrestleMania XII - 3/31/96; Anaheim, CA; Arrowhead Pond) - The Undertaker defeated Mankind (w/ Paul Bearer) in a Buried Alive match at 18:25; after the match, the Executioner made his debut by attacking the Undertaker from behind with a shovel - with Hunter Hearst Helmsley, Justin Bradshaw, Goldust, Crush, Mankind, and the Executioner burying the Undertaker; as the show was about to go off the air, a lightning bolt shot down from the ceiling before the Undertaker's hand was seen coming out of the dirt (In Your House: Buried Alive - 10/20/96; Indianapolis, IN; Market Square Arena) - WWF World Champion the Undertaker pinned Mankind (w/ Paul Bearer) with the tombstone at 17:26; after the match, the champion shot a fireball into the eyes of Paul Bearer, forcing Bearer to be stretchered to an awaiting ambulance backstage (In Your House: Revenge of the Taker - 4/20/97; Rochester, NY) - Bret Hart pinned WWF World Champion the Undertaker to win the title following guest referee Shawn Michaels accidentally hitting the champion in the head with a steel chair after Hart spat at Michaels; after the match, Taker stalked Michaels to the back; had Hart failed to win the title, he would never again be able to wrestle in the United States (Summer Slam 97 - 8/3/97; East Rutherford, NJ) - WWF World Champion Bret Hart defeated the Undertaker via disqualification at 28:35 when the challenger failed to stop beating on Hart after the champion became entangled in the ropes head-first (One Night Only - 9/20/97; Birmingham, England) - The Undertaker fought Shawn Michaels to a no contest at 16:02 when each participant beat up a referee and Hunter Hearst Helmsley & Chyna interfered on behalf of Michaels; prior to the match beginning, the Undertaker attacked the referee when he got in the way of Michaels, which led to a several minute chase throughout the ringside area until a replacement referee was sent to the ring and the match officially began; after the match, each man was held back by numerous wrestlers until the Undertaker dove over the top rope onto Michaels and a host of heel wrestlers (In Your House: Ground Zero - 9/7/97; Louisville, KY) - WWF European Champion Shawn Michaels pinned the Undertaker at 29:56 in a non-title Hell in a Cell match after Paul Bearer and Kane came ringside, Kane ripped the door off the cage, and hit the tombstone on the Undertaker before leaving ringside; Michaels was escorted to the ring by Triple H, Chyna, and Rick Rude but all three returned backstage after the cage door was locked shut; midway through the contest, the door had to be unlocked in order to get an injured cameraman to safety (Flash Funk) - resulting in the two participants having a lengthy brawl outside and on top of the cage; after the contest, Triple H and Chyna helped Michaels backstage; due to prematch stipulations, Michaels earned a world title shot for the Survivor Series; named Pro Wrestling Torch's Match of the Year (the 1st ever HIAC; Kane's debut) (In Your House: Badd Blood - 10/5/97; St. Louis, MO) - The Undertaker pinned Kane (w/ Paul Bearer) following three tombstone piledrivers; after the match, Kane hit the tombstone on the Undertaker onto a steel chair; prior to the contest, Pete Rose ran down the city of Boston until Kane entered the ring and hit the tombstone (WrestleMania XIV - 3/29/98; Boston, MA; FleetCenter) - The Undertaker defeated Kane (w/ Paul Bearer) in an Inferno match at 16:01 (the 1st Inferno match) (Unforgiven 98 - 4/26/98; Greensboro Coliseum) - The Undertaker pinned Mankind in a Hell in a Cell match at 17:38 with the tombstone after dropping Mankind with an electric chair and chokeslam onto a pile of thumb tacks inside the ring; the match began on the roof of the cage where, 90 seconds into the contest, Taker threw his opponent off the top through the Spanish announce table on the floor; moments later, EMTs, Terry Funk and WWF officials Vince McMahon, Sgt. Slaughter, Tony Garea, and Dave Hebner came out to check on Mankind and to load him onto a stretcher; nearly 8 minutes later, Mankind pulled himself off the stretcher and scaled the cage to continue the match; less than 20 seconds later, the Undertaker hit a chokeslam on the roof of the cage, resulting in Mankind falling through the roof, hitting the mat, and being legitly knocked out by a steel chair which fell inside the ring on top of him; EMTs and officials again swarmed the ringside area where Taker hit a chokeslam on Terry Funk in order to buy Mankind time to recover his senses; voted Pro Wrestling Illustrated's Match of the Year and named Pro Wrestling Torch's Match of the Year (King of the Ring 98 - 6/28/98; Pittsburgh, PA) - WWF World Champion the Undertaker pinned the Rock at 19:47 with the tombstone after Triple H interfered and hit the Pedigree on the challenger as Rock used the champion's own ether-soaked rag on Taker (King of the Ring 99 - 6/27/99; Greensboro Coliseum) - WWF World Champion Steve Austin defeated the Undertaker in a First Blood, End of an Era match at 15:31 following a TV camera shot to the head after X-Pac interfered and kicked a chair into the challenger's face; prematch stipulations called for if Austin won, Vince McMahon would leave the WWF forever and if Taker won, Austin would never recieve a world title shot; Triple H attacked Austin after the match but the Rock made the save; Austin and Taker continued to brawl after the contest until Taker left ringside and Austin gave McMahon a goodbye handshake, just to hit the Stunner on him (Fully Loaded 99 - 7/25/99; Buffalo, NY) - The Undertaker pinned Triple H at 18:17 with a powerbomb out of the corner; prior to the match, Motorhead performed Triple H's theme song live as he made his way to the ring (WrestleMania X7 - 4/1/01; Astrodome) - The Undertaker pinned WWE World Champion Hulk Hogan to win the title at 11:20 with a chair shot and chokeslam after Hogan attacked Vince McMahon, who came ringside late in the contest as Hogan was about to win the match (Judgment Day 02 - 5/19/02; Nashville, TN) - WWE World Champion Brock Lesnar (w/ Paul Heyman) pinned the Undertaker in a Hell in a Cell match by reversing an attempt at the tombstone and hitting the F5 at 27:15 (No Mercy 02 - 10/20/02; Little Rock, AR) - The Undertaker pinned John Cena at 16:06 with the powerbomb (Vengeance 03 - 7/27/03; Denver, CO) - The Undertaker fought WWE Smackdown! World Champion Kurt Angle to a no contest at 16:53 when Brock Lesnar interfered, hit the Undertaker moments after the challenger hit the powerbomb, and brutally attacked both men with a steel chair before hitting Angle in the face with the championship belt (9/2/03; New Orleans, LA) - Vince McMahon defeated the Undertaker in a Buried Alive Match at 11:58 when Kane attacked the Undertaker, knocked him into the grave, and allowed Vince to dump a massive amount of dirt into the grave via machinery at the gravesite (Survivor Series 03 - 11/16/03; Dallas, TX) - The Undertaker (w/ Paul Bearer) pinned Kane with the tombstone at 6:56 (Taker's return match following the Survivor Series; Bearer's surprise return after a nearly 4-year absence) (WrestleMania XX - 3/14/04; Madison Square Garden)

Jannetty beating HBK / Kid beating Razor The aftermath of the Bret / Sid cage match The Hart Foundation forming in 97 Jericho beating Triple H for the title RVD & Dreamer debuting in Atlanta, which led to the return of ECW in 01

Sags was actually working the dark match. Royal Rumble 91 - Miami, FL - Arena - January 19, 1991 Jerry Saggs pinned Sam Houston with a powerslam at 5:25 I'm guessing the Nastys were used as substitutes each year. It doesn't make much sense to throw one in the match and not the other. Sags subbing for Jannetty in 92 is correct, IIRC.

A business suit-attired Shawn Michaels at the WrestleMania XI press conference, with Sid standing behind him. He's talking about his upcoming match against Diesel for the WWF World Title. (At WrestleMania) I will give you a show that you've never seen before. ...Why? Because I can. Badass. Pure badass.

They held him off TV quite a while. The guy was working house show matches for the WWF as early as Nov. 96.

He wasn't even on the ramp, IIRC. Shawn was used sparingly in 99, maybe once a month if that.

A fantastic angle but it didn't go anywhere. I'm guessing that was because the WWF got so much flack after it aired that they had to scrap whatever plans they had.

ECW is running the Spartanburg Memorial Auditorium Saturday, Sept. 2. They're in Greenwood, SC the following night. I already have two ringside seats for Spartanburg. I think Greenwood is an hour away. I was thinking about making a weekend of it. I believe there are a few posters on here from the area so if anyone's interseted in coming with let me know.