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The SNME in question aired a week before the Rumble. WWF @ Tampa, FL - December 7, 1988 Saturday Night's Main Event #19 - shown 1/7/89 on NBC: Brutus Beefcake defeated Ron Bass with the sleeper at 7:40 in a hair vs. hair match Hulk Hogan defeated Akeem via disqualification after Bossman tripped Hogan WWF IC Champion the Ultimate Warrior pinned the Honkytonk Man at 5:01 Tito Santana defeated the Red Rooster with a roll up as the Rooster was busy arguing with Heenan; after the match Heenan fired the Rooster in the ring Mr. Perfect pinned Koko B. Ware at 3:04

Another reason for the differences in crowd reaction regarding Bruno's losses is that the first - to Koloff - was clean. The second title loss - to Superstar Billy Graham - came as a result of the challenger putting his feet on the ropes. In the pre-Hogan era, it was not uncommon for the challenger to pick up the victory by those means but to be denied the title (it often happened to Bruno during his first reign). Thus, I would assume, the vast majority of fans in attendance for that show weren't sure if they had just seen a title change or not. Bruno did a number of guest spots in WCW in 1992, appearing at Halloween Havoc in Philadelphia as well as the September Clash of the Champions (which also featured Andre's last TV appearance prior to his death). At every opportunity, he applauded the athleticism of WCW while alluding to the fact that the "competition" was nothing more than a circus. David was let go under shady circumstances, which was another reason for Bruno's falling out with Vince. Although he didn't do much after 1985, he was kept on for the occassional major market house show well into late 87/88 (not sure how many of these were actually televised). At the Spectrum in late 85, David lost via submission to a bear hug and was rarely seen on TV after that night. Much like the Montreal Incident, it is believed that David never gave up but was rather robbed of his push while at its peak.

It was leading into Survivor Series 97 as the WWF was pushing Shamrock as a title contender. First he fought Bret in a title match on Raw - which went to a no contest because of Shawn's interference (even though he made Bret tap after the ref was knocked cold) - then he fought Shawn a week or two later with the same finish due to Bret's interference (and made Shawn tap while the ref was out of it). The thing is, not too many people have made Shawn tap because during his heyday there weren't many in the WWF that utilized submission holds but rather power moves. The only top guys that used a submission finisher during that time were Bret, Owen, Flair, and Luger. I gotta believe Nash was a tap-out machine during his early WCW days when he was pitted against someone like Luger or Sting.

Glad to be back

They actually had a few 60-minute marathon matches in 89, usually followed by a "blink and you'll miss the match" Warrior / Andre bout.

They traded cage victories between January and March. When it was non-title (meaning Flair's belt wasn't on the line), Piper would win. When the world belt was at stake, Flair would win. I'm guessing that pic was after Piper won the match but not the title.

There is a similar thread up on Kayfabe Memories but I thought I'd start one up here to see what kind of experiences you guys have had at them. I've never been to one myself, the closest I came was when the WWF did a Superstars taping at the Capital Centre on 9/2/92 - just a few days after Summer Slam and one day after Flair regained the title from Savage. I don't even remember seeing ads for the show on TV, although I'm sure they plugged it in the Event Center every chance they got. I had no idea how close the Cap Centre was to my house - or how cheap tickets were at the time - otherwise I might have begged my parents to take me. I had just turned 11 at that point. Didn't go to my first house show (or wrestling event altogether) until May of the following year. I'll leave this open to any fed. Do you recall any dark matches?

I have yet to see the Hogan / Hansen match but all the others are quality. I'm curious as to if anyone has footage of the Steamboat / Savage cage matches following WrestleMania - even if it's a fan cam. The Bret / Dynamite match was September 85 at the Capital Centre.

I saw it Friday and loved it. I only found one minor flaw that irritated me - that being Arnold not killing people without being programed not to do so (as he was in 2). The ending was fantastic (best ending yet) and a perfect way to not only set the scene for another sequel but to also have the fans interested in one.

When Shawn returned to the ring at the 96 Rumble, that's when he started referring to his fans as the Kliq. Just a little note of info...

1. the Texas Tornado 4. the Batman ... although the guy also went by another non-superhero name which escapes me at the moment

Answers... 1. The Mongolian Mauler 2. Sid Vicious 3. Giant Baba ... shortly after WrestleMania VI, Baba teamed up with Andre to face Demolition in Tokyo 4. Frank Tunney 5. Wrestling Dontaku 93 (Sting vs. Norton, Hogan vs. Muta) ... Sting never wrestled in the AWA and didn't make his debut until 1985

Yes it looked good but I have little doubt it was a work. That's the perfect way for someone like Jazz to go out - no one eliminated her so she can claim to still be champion. She was robbed.

Must have Gangs of NY.

IMO, 'Passion' was the best episode. While I love 'Hush', 'OMWF', etc - they were far different in scope any other episode and thus have a little bit of an edge in that regard. 'Passion' was simplistic and had a theme everyone could relate to (we all love happiness but with the happy comes the sad ... "Maybe without passion we could find peace ... but we would be hollow") ... Angel's narritive throughout the story was chilling ... Alyson scores major points for the bawling ... it was the first time we saw Giles as a bad ass ... and it carried the arch of the season to where it needed to be by putting Buffy in the right frame of mind to kill Angel, the man that she still loves. And then at the end, with the diskette falling off the table ... damn, talk about hooking your audience.

Must see it. I'm trying to be optimistic after the rumblings of bad reviews I'm hearing about. Being 9 at the time, does anyone remember what the reviews were like for T2? I thought that was arguably better than the first on some levels.

I can't say as I've felt guilty ... but the first thing that came to mind when I read 'Hot actresses' and 'crush' was Alyson Hannigan ... which was interesting since that was the first name mentioned in the thread. Must ... kill ... the Pie Fucker. She's mine.

Some do and some don't but when a chick you've never seen on TV before wins the title - that's noteworthy.

Bret vs. Bulldog from Wembley. The buildup to the match and the bout itself made me a fan when I was 11, long before I knew what workrate was.

The womens battle royal, I thought, came across pretty well. No, I'm not expecting a MOTY but in terms of starting off the show with something memorable - it did what it was supposed to do. At first I laughed at the fact the WWE was putting Gail Kim on TV with no hype whatsoever. Yes, they had the little vignettes in previous weeks but it's not like they heavily hyped her debut being tonight - much as they did for Ultimo last week on Smackdown. That being said, I thought it was a good move to put the title on her with the lack of hype - that way for the fans that didn't tune into the show might get the idea that the unexpected could happen at any moment and thus might tune in (at least that's the frame of mind I think the writers are going for). It reminded me of the HBK / Jannetty title switch on Raw in 93 that was completely impromptu.

Hogan and Flair did the double turn at Uncensored 99. The only way Flair won the title in the cage match was because referee Charles Robinson kept forgetting the rules (that it was a 'first blood' match for instance), Flair played the cowardly heel for the bout, and it also included blatant interference from Arn Anderson. Hogan was world champion when he went back to the red & yellow and he did that at the request of his son. I believe it was at the 8/9/99 Nitro that was also memorable for Chris Benoit's first televised WCW title win (the U.S. title over David Flair). As far as Havoc, Hogan appeared on Bubba a week or two before the show and complained about Russo's booking and said that Russo wanted him to do a 30 second job to Sting at the PPV. Yes, that's right - something Hogan said on Bubba the Love Sponge actually came true!

much earlier

Sid is correct ... keep trying for the others

1. Who did Col. Parker bring in to gain revenge on Brian Pillman? 2. Who did Col. Parker bring in to gain revenge on Van Hammer? 3. (This is more of just an interesting tidbit of info ... don't expect anyone to get it) What legend in another wrestling organization made an appearance at a WWF TV taping in March 1990 and had a confrontation with Andre the Giant? This incident was not televised but it did set up a future program and led to the Andre / Haku vs. Demolition dark match of the night. 4. In 1987, there were several one-night tag team tournaments held - the winner of which would earn a WWF tag team title match in the final match of the night. What deceased wrestling promoter were these tournaments meant to pay tribute to? 5. What was the first event that featured both Hulk Hogan and Sting in wrestling roles?

I don't have a 'database', per say, but I have a website with the same stuff. Good luck - it's not easy work.