chaosrage

Rob can't touch HBK in the ring, but as far as his mic skills...I dunno. He's not the Rock, but I always liked Rob's ECW stuff with Sabu and Fonzie. When he's given good dialogue (by this, I mean not sending him out there to do a Flair impersonation, which was completely out of character for him), Rob's passable on the mic. That's what RVD said on the interview he had back in June. They don't understand his character and they don't let him be himself on the mic. Instead they give him scripts to read. That's why everything he did sounded so natural in ECW and why it sounds so forced now. "When i first came in, you'd be surprised at what came back to me from their meetings. They had these talks that went "oh i get it, he's a surfer, right? Isn't he a surfer?" "No I think he's a hippie!" "No you know what, he's a druggie". They don't get it and they don't understand my attitude but you know i remain consistant and persistant to be me. As far as the microphone skills go, well if anybody saw the ECW show, which I SWEAR it's hard to believe that these guys did see it, sometimes it's hard to believe these guys even heard of me before i came there, i used to be able to have the freedom to get on the microphone, me and fonzie, we would ad lib most of the time, not even have anything scripted out, and we had the best time doing that. We would just go out and we would have fun, and you know now i get to WWE, and they actually hand me these scripts, where i read the part for RVD and here's my line "Cool". You want me say cool? That's all?"

WTF? Problem child wasn't crappy. It was funny.

Are you kidding? This is only about the most interesting storyline they've done in years..... and it seems to be a big ratings draw on top of that. They better not fuck it up.

He doesn't wear out his welcome. . He doesn't? Well, to you he does. I don't mind seeing him every once and a while.

Eh, I didn't see it as him running away. All I saw it as was Kane thinking Shane wasn't worth his time. I mean, if he was scared of him, then why would he sit there and laugh at the thought of Shane trying to put up a fight with him? Injured ones? That's a lot different from not being good enough to be on the show or not having anything to do. People will remember Kane threw him through a lightbulb. And that's the reason why he's not there. Because it's stupid to throw away the match for just a few weeks of build up. They've been friends for months, and all this new shit is only happening now. They could stretch it to Survivor Suries, or all the way to WM. Why do you wanna rush it to have a match already? RVD shouldn't be sacrificed so Kane can get over as a monster. That's what Shane is there for. Undertaker didn't have a match at survivor series 97 either. Because it just wasn't the right time for it! They had to make Kane look like a monster first. Think if UT had fought him right then and there and had put up a good fight. Well Kane wouldn't have seemed anywhere as unstoppable going into Wrestlemania. What would happen to Rob to make it believeable for him to beat Kane if he already lost to him decisively? And why couldn't people say that for Jericho at WM? (That wasn't even decisive) Come on. Nobody is seriously going to think RVD is any kind of a threat to Kane if he gets his ass handed to him at SS.

He doesn't wear out his welcome. I wouldn't have a problem with Vince if he wasn't on TV so damn much.

Exactly. I don't how people can want RVD to be squashed at SS. That makes no sense. Rvd should be all the way at the end of the line, not at the beginning.

Actually, that's kinda what you guys are saying. Everybody seems to want RVD to fight him and have them make each other both look good. But that wouldn't do a damn thing to help either one of them. It also makes RVD look like total shit. Unless you're counting on him getting revenge which is just what you said they shouldn't do.... Kane wasn't expecting him to throw himself at him like that. Do you honestly think that would have been better? Now you have two potential matches that can draw instead of just one. Yeah, it sucks that RVD might not have anything planned for SS, but this should be a long term feud, not something over and done with in a few weeks anyway. He'll have to sell the same type of offense that he did on RAW. Remember that Shane is still pissed off and Kane doesn't really have a reason to want to beat him. How long was Kane vs Foley from Survivor Series? Wasn't that around 15 minutes? All they have to do is make a longer version of that. And while we're at it, wouldn't it have sucked if they gave us UT vs Kane the month after Bad Blood instead of letting it develop and establishing Kane as a monster first? Or maybe he'll just bump to put Kane over. Who knows.

I don't know about you, but if I did everything I could to someone.... and they laughed at me for it, I sure as hell wouldn't think I stood a chance against him. I would be scared to death.

The only BS is someone thinking that Kane taking all of Shane's abuse and then fucking LAUGHING about it makes him any less of a monster. He shouldn't have taken any of the abuse in the first place! Shane should've ran at him in the ring and gotten mowed the fuck down. And if he did get him over the rope he certainly shouldn't have needed big strong Mr. McMahon to run over there and rescue him. Then he shouldn't have run away or even been taking the chairshots. HOW CAN THIS BE ANY CLEARER. SHANE SHOULDN'T EVEN HAVE HAD THE CHANCE TO GET THE UPPERHAND. HE SHOULD HAVE BEEN KILLED IMMEDIATELY. NO MATTER HOW MUCH HE NO SOLD IT SHANE FUCKING MCMAHON GOT THE UPPER HAND ON HIM. GET IT THROUGH YOUR THICK SKULL. Shut the hell up. The point is it didn't hurt Kane AT ALL. Shane is going to be demolished in their match, who gives a shit if he got the upper hand on RAW? Wow, great for him. And why do you people keep missing the fact that HE SURPRISED KANE AND ATTACKED HIM FROM BEHIND? That's the ONLY reason he got the upper hand. He's not a wrestler? Uuuhh.. that's exactly why we've been saying it's better to throw him at Kane than anyone else. If the match happens at SS, Kane can look like a monster without hurting anyone of any real importance. Understand?

And I don't think anyone can argue that Shane had more desire to beat down Kane. He tried to kill one of his family members for christ sakes. How can anyone compare it to RVD or Austin? You guys make it sound like he just came back one day and decided to beat up Kane for the hell of it.

Just going over him won't, but a vicious beatdown will. It doesn't matter if they know he's going to win. How else do you explain Goldberg? The problem is RVD isn't strong enough for either one to gain anything from that. Build Kane up as a monster first, and when it comes time for them to fight, it'll make RVD look better.

Why the fuck not? A. He caught him off guard. B. Kane didn't try kill RVD's mom. C. What does being a wrestler have to do with swinging a chair? D. Kane didn't sell any of it anyway. You're missing the point. Allright, all this is doing is sacrificing Shane to get Kane over. So why should they waste RVD like that? Instead of waiting awhile, letting Kane get a big reputation as a monster, and THEN give RVD a match with him? That way, Kane is already a monster and RVD doesn't have to get squashed. Everybody wins.

That about sums it up.

The only BS is someone thinking that Kane taking all of Shane's abuse and then fucking LAUGHING about it makes him any less of a monster.

But what would it do for his career? Getting treated like a Spike Dudley or a Stevie Richards. That might make him miss more shows.

I'm sure they could have it fixed for him to be killed by Goldberg in a 30 second match before his big main event, but I don't think you'd like that too much. See, that's the kind of treatment Kane needs. He needs to just be able to take someone apart at SS. Shane's the perfect guy for that, because he's hardly around. Because he's not a wrestler. Because he bumps like crazy.

So what? He's not a wrestler but he puts on good matches. I'd rather see him fight Kane than Austin, or anybody else they would put in. Even RVD because Kane's a monster now so he would just get squashed.

But he didn't sell. You saw how unaffected he was by all of it at the end. And why does it make a difference if he's the boss's son? He's a pissed off guy (who looks a lot bigger than the last time we saw him) that dove at Kane, who by the way wasn't expecting it. Then he kept hitting him with hard chair shots. You know this won't lead to Shane winning like it probably would if it was Vince, and you know it'll probably be a good match. So what's the problem?

I got in. But, "The specified stream type is not recognized." I guess that'd just due to my computer sucking though. Time to try audio again...

Access denied. The requested service is full. Dammit.

Well I'd contribute if the webcast worked on my computer. All I got was sound from the last couple of times someone linked it. I don't think it likes Win95 too much. Damn, I would actually pay the full price for it too, but I don't have a box.

What server do you use?

Only problem I have is him getting pushed instead of those guys. Like say when he gets a match already lined for Summerslam, and Jericho doesn't. Or when he gets to take his place and fight the guy that Jericho should be going over at SS. I don't want to see HBK's torch get passed on to someone who might not even have what it takes to make it at the top. What a waste that would be.

Because you hate everybody. No mystery there. Orton: we hate him because he's in a stable with HHH and he has family connections! Cena: he can't wrestle as good as Kurt Angle, so he must suck! Plus I hate rap LOLZ O'Haire: He's just another hoss with no moves! Never mind I've never actually seen him in WCW! Brock: he got the belt too fast! Batista: He took steroids! Eddie Guerrero would never do that! Haas and Benjamin: they wrestle good but they're so green! I know, they should make Benjamin rap and make Haas Satanic! Why can't WWE think of good characters like that?! If you guys just want to convert WWE to the Chris Benoit and Friends Happy Variety Hour, that's fine. But at least come out and say as much instead of pretending you actually want some new faces, than bitching when you get them. It's already proven that Eddy, Benoit, Jericho, and RVD can work and that fans can care about them. With Orton, you don't have either one. So why give him of all people that kind of push? If anybody should be the legend killer, it should be the King of BLING BLING.