chaosrage

3 feet of water now starting to surround the superdome with 10,000+ people inside.

Wow, the mayor of NO is saying 80% of the city is underwater. There's also been a two block wide breach in a levee and water is still pouring in. The Twin Span (bridge that goes from NO to Slidell) is gone. http://www.wwltv.com/perl/common/video/wmP...082905mayor.wmv

Where? I've been saying ever since the match happened that it was probably the case. Like a Foley/Snuka deal where Foley refused to beat his idol.

That's quite interesting. Do you happen to remember the date of that RAW? <{POST_SNAPBACK}> October 14th 1996, and it was a 1.8. The Nitro that night got a 3.3. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Ouch. You have to wonder why Vince was always such a big HBK mark if he never drew any money. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Please tell me this was a sarcastic response making fun of HTQ for blaming ratings on one person and you're not actually buying into the bullshit. If not, check and see what happened to the ratings when he had the belt as a heel.

If Hogan has creative control, will he beat Austin with a legdrop at WM?

It hurt his heel character, as in it was impossible to go back to the way he was after he lost clean. And while it won't hurt his status in the company, there's no question it would have helped him out a lot if he won. Then whomever beat him would look much better for beating someone that pinned Hogan. Fuck Hogan. Vince is an idiot for giving another wrestler creative control. This report still makes me happy though. At least now I know HBK didn't choose to lose himself because he really respected Hogan (HBK is pretty much the opposite of what Hogan is) or because he wants to make everyone look better than him to make up for his past or some shit.

This isn't the ironman, is it? The list sounds really good. I hope they all can make it. It has almost all of his great matches plus a lot of older unknowns to give us something new to see. The only thing missing from it being perfect is Bret vs Austin from Survivor Series 96 and Bret vs Shawn from Survivor Series 92.

If you're looking for a job, the good thing about Wal-Mart is they'll hire anyone. Even without any experience. Then you just work there for 6 months, have something to put on your resume and go some place better.

No one else knows what you're talking about because you're not making any sense. Everyone who commented on it on both threads agrees with me that Hogan wouldn't lose any heat. For examples, see The Rock, Kurt Angle, etc...

Yeah, I'd just love to see his heel character after Hogan beats him. "I don't lay down for anyone! well.... except for Hulk Hogan" "I am the best in ring performer of all time, oh except for that Hulk Hogan guy." "I am the most real thing on TV today, but I just lost last month a 52 year old, please take pity on me"

But my point is why would Hogan have anything to get back? Did any of Hogan's fans care than Rock pinned him clean? Nah, he went right on to beat HHH for the title, just like he would have won at WM. I seriously doubt people would say "Well Hogan/Austin is a dream match, I would order it but Hogan lost to Shawn, he must suck now." Anyway, I think the finish for this match is the most important out of Hogan/Rock, Hogan/Michaels, and Hogan/Austin. Neither Rock or Austin are wrestling anymore, just Shawn, he's the only one that could actually use a win over Hogan for something. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> People don't pay to see Hogan wrestle to see him lose, unless it's something so huge and monumental that the aura of the match means it doesn't matter. Rock v Hogan was like that. Austin v Hogan will be like that. Shawn v Hogan is not like that. People pay to see Hogan be Hogan. They pay to see Hogan sell for a little while, Hulk Up, wag his finger, hit the big boot, hit the legdrop, and get the pin. If it's a match so big that Hogan can afford to lose and it won't matter because the match is so big, then Hogan can lose, because the nature of the match is such that it overcomes any winners or losers. For all the hype it's been getting, Shawn v Hogan is not such a match. Austin v Hogan is. If Hogan is going to do a job to anyone, it's going to be Austin, not to Shawn. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Ok, I don't see how it makes a difference, but what about submitting to Kurt Angle clean at KOTR 2002? Do any of Hogan's fans care right now that Hogan submitted clean? Of course not. Do most of them even remember? Probably not. Losing to Shawn won't be any more of a big deal (it won't amount to a hill of beans ) around WM time. All that will be on people's minds is Hogan and Austin. So again I say Shawn is the only one in this match with anything to win or lose, and he'll be around for years while Hogan won't. Therefore Shawn should definitely without a doubt win.

But my point is why would Hogan have anything to get back? Did any of Hogan's fans care than Rock pinned him clean? Nah, he went right on to beat HHH for the title, just like he would have won at WM. I seriously doubt people would say "Well Hogan/Austin is a dream match, I would order it but Hogan lost to Shawn, he must suck now." Anyway, I think the finish for this match is the most important out of Hogan/Rock, Hogan/Michaels, and Hogan/Austin. Neither Rock or Austin are wrestling anymore, just Shawn, he's the only one that could actually use a win over Hogan for something.

I was in each one of those threads explaining why the reasons given did not make any sense. A loss to Michaels won't affect Austin/Hogan in the slightest. Just like a clean lost to the Rock didn't affect Hogan getting the world title a month later or the match this Sunday.

They want Austin v Hogan at WM 22, and unless something major happens, they're getting it, and that means Hogan wins. He has to. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> I've yet to hear any good reason for this. Why does Austin v Hogan at WM22 mean Hogan has to win?

Marty Jannetty comes back and throws HBK through a window.

Sting, Starrcade 97. Sting won that match. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Only after Bret restarted the match for no reason. To every WCW fan watching, Hogan dominated the entire match, and then beat Sting very easily and cleanly with a slow 3 count.

I think you can say that about both men; Shawn could get his heat back with another promo like from Monday. And seeing as how Hogan is the one in the big WM 22 match they're going for, he has to win. I'm not keen on it either, but for business, Hogan has to go over. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Seeing as how Shawn is the one with years left in him and he's going to be wrestling more than 1 or 2 matches a year, he has to win. A loss to Shawn at SS will hurt Hogan's heat about as much a loss to Rock at WM did. Which is not at all.

Hogan vs Vince was the main event of WM19? Okay, I forgot about Rock/Hogan 2 but that was still 2 years ago. Well he hasn't really done anything since coming back to establish himself as one of the top guys. I mean, he puts on the best match of the night just about every time he wrestles but I'm talking from a storyline standpoint. He hasn't had any major wins since his feud with Triple H and has had a lot of losses since then. And you haven't countered that Hogan has nothing to lose or gain but Shawn has plenty he could lose or gain. What?

Sting, Starrcade 97. And it's not true about Shawn. If Shawn loses clean, his heel character (you know the one that everyone loves) is dead. This isn't the cowardly Shawn. It's the shoot Shawn who knows he's better than everyone and can back up whatever he says. If Shawn can't beat a 50 year has been with a bad hip like Hogan, what does that say about all of his talk? No longer would he have anything to rub in the face of the fans or shoot about or reason storyline-wise to think he's the best ever. From a business point of view, it makes no sense for Hogan to win. After this match is over, HBK could have years left while Hogan doesn't have much more to offer. A HBK job to Cena or anyone else will mean a hell of a lot more if HBK is coming off of a clean win against Hogan. Hogan, on the other hand would gain nothing from a win over HBK. He's already the biggest name in wrestling, what does he have to gain? A win over Shawn would just make Shawn look bad. And why should Hogan be gaining anything at the age of 50 anyway? At his age, it should be all about giving back, especially considering everythingl that was given to him in his career. It would make better sense for Hogan to lose this match at SS and win the match against Austin. Austin won't be wrestling any more, it doesn't matter who wins Austin/Hogan. At all. Plus there's the fact that HBK has been jobbing left and right and needs this win to build credibility again. WWE can't afford to mess with a main eventer's credibility since they have so few of them left, especially on the count of a nostalgia act like Hogan, someone who will just wrestle 1-2 matches a year, IF he doesn't retire. There's absolutely no good reason or argument for Hogan to win at Summerslam. It doesn't help WWE out, it doesn't help Shawn out, it doesn't even help him out. This is just like Hogan/Rock at WM18, where even though most fans won't like it, Hogan has to lose for the good of the company. Only Rock went on to make movies so the rub he got from Hogan was a bit of a waste, all the more reason that he needs to lose clean to someone else. I would say the same thing if Shawn was on the verge of retiring and could only wrestle 1-2 matches a year. In that case then, I guess Shawn gave him a rub too because it's Hogan's first main event on a PPV since May 2002.

Chavo is no longer hispanic, but white. He changed his race. Haven't you been paying attention?

Signups are closed.

http://special.pwtorrents.net/ <{POST_SNAPBACK}> "Signups currently closed."

Anyone know where I can get a torrent of Raw from? My VCR fucked up and didn't tape it.