Bored

Wide left. This will be interesting considering that figure the offenses may have to rely on field goals in the overtime. Safe to say Penn State won't be jumping the Rose Bowl loser even if they win here.

The '79 Rams were probably the worst team ever to make it to the Super Bowl although they came within in a quarter of pulling off the greatest upset ever as they led the Steelers 19-17 after three. One thing about the '88 49ers is they were a completely different team the second half of the year and the postseason as Montana was in and out of the line-up and Steve Young wasn't the quarterback he'd become at that point (although did have that incredible game winning run against the Vikings). After a humiliating loss to the Cardinals to fall to 6-5 they won their next four games 128-51. They lost their regular season finale against the Rams 38-16 but they pulled all their regulars for that game as they couldn't improve their playoff spot. Then they got revenge on the Vikings 34-9 after being upset the previous year when they had a better team and then had one of the best performances I've ever seen when they crushed the Bears in Soldier Field 28-3. Their late season performance and playoff wins were impressive enough where they were actually heavy favorites over the Bengals even though Cincinnati was the best team in the NFL for most of the year.

1988 had to be one of the weakest quarterback classes ever as not only was there none selected until the 3rd round, there were none taken in the 4th & 5th rounds. Here's all the qb's drafted that year: 3rd Round 68. Tom Tupa, Ohio State (Cardinals) 76. Chris Chandler, Washington (Colts) 6th Round 149. Don McPherson, Syracuse (Eagles) 151. Scott Secules, Virginia (Cowboys) 159. Stan Humphries, NE Louisiana (Redskins) 7th Round 175. Mike Perez, San Jose State (Giants) 180. Kerwin Bell, Florida (Dolphins) 10th Round 256. Bud Keyes, Wisconsin (Packers) 274. Todd Santos, San Diego State (Saints) 11th Round 281. Danny McCoin, Cincinnati (Lions) 282. Danny McManus, Florida State (Chiefs) 283. David Weber, Carroll College (Raiders) 12th Round 328. Steve Slayden, Duke (Browns) So only two quarterbacks in Chandler and Humphries that had success in the NFL. Danny McManus had success in the CFL and is still limping around there. Tupa actually would be 3rd in NFL passing attempts of that list as he was the Cardinals regular starter in 1991 and didn't convert to punter until 1994 with the Browns (he played both positions at Ohio State). Guess who was one of Tupa's back up in 1991? Chris Chandler.

I found this photo of Vermeil a little while back from 1975. He's always been crying. I think he cries after he finishes a box of cereal. Oh the memories of Count Chocula.

Standings 1. Will Scarlet 233 2. teke184 224 3. Edwin MacPhisto 213 4. Secret Agent 211 5. CanadianChris 209 6. therealworldschampion 206 7. Kingofthe909 203 8. DragonLordKaiba 199 9. benoitrulz4life 196 10. iggymcfly 195 11. phoenixrising 189 AlwaysPissedOff 189 13. Cuban Linx 186 14. Hawk 34 183 15. the pinjockey 178 16. Spaceman Spiff 177 17. Gert T 176 18. keith6601 172 19. MarvinisaLunatic 165 20. Bored 164 21. hockey fan 163 22. Culloden Hastings 156 23. Agent of Oblivion 154 Agent Bond34 154 25. Rrrsh 147 Kotzenjunge 147 27. KingPK 136 28. bravesfan 133 29. Lando Griffin 132 30. Spicy McHaggis 109 Wednesday's Game Rose Bowl worth 28 points, 25 out of 30 people picked USC. Here's who picked Texas: teke184, Secret Agent, MarvinisaLunatic, hockey fan, Lando Griffin.

Hey did you know A.J. Hawk's girlfriend is Brady Quinn's sister? Just thought you guys would want to know in case you didn't already...

Okay seriously they couldn't just play the original song instead of one sung by Paul Rodgers? Oh boy I'm gonna go and get the extended highlights! God networks just really have no clue about bringing in marginal fans to sporting events.

Random basketball lists. 1984 All NBA Team First Team Kareem Abdul-Jabbar, Lakers Larry Bird, Celtics Magic Johnson, Lakers Bernard Kings, Knicks Isiah Thomas, Pistons Second Team Adrian Dantley, Jazz Julius Erving, 76ers Moses Malone, 76ers Sidney Moncrief, Bucks Jim Paxson, Blazers 1988 College Basketball All-Americans First Team Sean Elliott, Arizona Gary Grant, Michigan Hersey Hawkins, Bradley Danny Manning, Kansas J.R. Reid, North Carolina Second Team Danny Ferry, Duke Jerome Lane, Pittsburgh Mark Macon, Temple Mitch Richmond, Kansas State Rony Seikaly, Syracuse Michael Smith, BYU 1980 Team-by-Team NBA Win Shares Leaders (yes basketball win shares) Celtics: Cedric Maxwell 76ers: Julius Erving Hawks: Dan Roundfield Rockets: Moses Malone Spurs: George Gervin Bullets: Wes Unseld Knicks: Bill Cartwright Cavs: Dave Robisch Pacers: Mickey Johnson Nets: Mike Newlin Pistons: John Long/Bob Lanier Lakers: Kareen Abdul-Jabbar Sonics: Gus Williams Suns: Paul Westphal Bucks: Marques Johnson Kings: Otis Birdsong Blazers: Kermit Washington Clippers: World B Free Bulls: Reggie Theus Nuggets: Dan Issel Jazz: Adrian Dantley Warriors: Sonny Parker

The referees telling essentially ABC to keep the overhead camera off the field in the middle of the game and Musburger and Danielson going completely slient just made me giggle.

Okay so to answer my own question this is the first time ever that the preaseason AP #1 and #2 have been the same going into the bowls in back-to-back years. Before 2004 the last time #1 and #2 were still the Top 2 was 1970 with Ohio State and Texas although they flipped spots during the season. The last time they were the exact same was 1951 with Tennessee and Michigan State. So I'd say it is safe to say whoever is preseason #1 and #2 next year that one of them will not be there at the end of the season.

I'll post the standings when today's games are done but the contest is down to Will Scarlet and teke184 and will be decided by the Rose Bowl. Will Scarlet picked USC and teke184 picked Texas.

Hey first double post ever, I think.

I think I'll do some research on preseason rankings vs. pre-bowl rankings but here is 2005 Preseason AP Top 25 and where they finished in parenthesis (using it since there is obviously no preseason BCS). One thing that is definently out of the ordinary was now back-to-back years the preseason #1 and #2 were the same going into the bowls. 1. USC (1) 2. Texas (2) 3. Tennessee (NR) 4. Michigan (20) 5. LSU (10) 6. Ohio State (4) 7. Oklahoma (26) 8. Virginia Tech (12) 9. Miami (9) 10. Florida (16) 11. Iowa (25) 12. Louisville (15) 13. Georgia (8) 14. Florida State (22) 15. Purdue (NR) 16. Auburn (7) 17. Texas A&M (NR) 18. Boise State (28) 19. California (31) 20. Arizona State (NR) 21. Texas Tech (18) 22. Boston College (19) 23. Pittsburgh (NR) 24. Fresno State (29) 25. Virginia (NR) Not in preseason Top 25: #3 Penn State, #5 Notre Dame, #6 Oregon, #11 West Virginia, #13 Alabama, #14 TCU, #17 UCLA, #21 Wisconsin, #23 Clemson, #24 Georgia Tech

Outback Bowl is nice example of why it'd be nice in some fantasy world that bowl assignments were based on merit and not pre-determined conference alingments and how well you draw. Iowa didn't even finish in the BCS Top 25 yet they get to play in a "January 1st" game simply because they drew well in the Outback Bowl two years ago. Granted playing on "January 1st" is a bit overrated as this year the Peach Bowl had the best non-BCS match-up (on paper at least) and the Holiday Bowl getting a Top 10 team pretty much every year now but Iowa had no business getting a big payout game like this and it's showing.

It's just going to be bizarre with them doing those major games when they won't be televising any regular season games. I'm really dreading their who they pick to be their pbp guys. They have one of their many awful basball pbp guys do the Cotton Bowl every year. They should sign Dick Vermeil to be an analyst who I at least think was good as he was doing college football games before he returned to the NFL. That was now over 10 years ago and I think around that time I still thought Tim McCarver actually knew what he was talking about.

January 1st is traditionally a bowl day, just not this year. Here's bowl results from 10, 25, and 50 years ago. You'll notice how much the number of bowls has ballooned even just from 10 years ago (from 18 to 28 now). 10 Years Ago Las Vegas: Toledo 40, Nevada 37 Aloha: #11 Kansas 51, UCLA 30 Copper: Texas Tech 55, Air Force 41 Alamo: #19 Texas A&M 22, #14 Michigan 20 Sun: Iowa 38, #20 Washington 18 Holiday: #10 Kansas State 54, Colorado State 21 Independence: LSU 45, Michigan State 26 Liberty: East Carolina 19, Stanford 13 Carquest: North Carolina 20, #24 Arkansas 10 Peach: #18 Virginia 34, Georgia 27 Sugar: #13 Virginia Tech 28, #9 Texas 10 Cotton: #7 Colorado 38, #12 Oregon 6 Orange: #8 Florida State 31, #6 Notre Dame 26 Outback: #15 Penn State 43, #16 Auburn 14 Rose: #17 USC 41, #3 Northwestern 32 Gator: Syracuse 41, #23 Clemson 0 Citrus: #4t Tennessee 20, #4t Ohio State 14 Fiesta: #1 Nebraska 62, #2 Florida 24 25 Years Ago Independence: Southern Miss 16, McNeese State 14 Garden State: Houston 35, Navy 0 Holiday: BYU 46, #19 SMU 45 Tangerine: Florida 35, Maryland 20 Fiesta: #10 Penn State 31, #11 Ohio State 19 All-American: Arkansas 34, Tulane 15 Sun: #8 Nebraska 31, #17 Mississippi State 17 Liberty: Purdue 28, Missouri 25 Gator: #3 Pittsburgh 37, #18 South Carolina 9 Bluebonnet: #13 North Carolina 16, Texas 7 Sugar: #1 Georgia 17, #7 Notre Dame 10 Cotton: #9 Alabama 30, #6 Baylor 2 Rose: #5 Michigan 23, #16 Washington 6 Orange: #4 Oklahoma 18, #2 Florida State 17 Peach: #20 Miami 20, Virginia Tech 10 50 Years Ago Gator: #13 Auburn 33, #18 Baylor 13 Tangerine: Nebraska-Omaha 7, Eastern Kentucky 6 Orange: #14 Duke 34, Nebraska 7 Cotton: Georgia Tech 14, #10 Arkansas 6 Sugar: #5 Navy 21, #6 Mississippi 0 Rose: #1 Ohio State 20, #17 USC 7 Sun: UTEP 47, Florida State 20

Lots of points tommorrow but very few differing picks. Reminder the Orange Bowl on Tuesday is thrown out as everyone picked Penn State. Outback Bowl worth 18 points, 24 out of 30 people picked Florida. Here's who picked Iowa: the pinjockey, therealworldschampion, Hawk 34, Culloden Hastings, Agent Bond34, Spicy McHaggis. Cotton Bowl worth 22 points, 26 out of 30 people picked Alabama. Here's who picked Texas Tech: Will Scarlet, Edwin MacPhisto, MarvinisaLunatic, KingPK. Gator Bowl worth 20 points, 27 out of 30 people picked Virginia Tech. Here's who picked Louisville: MarvinisaLunatic, Land Griffin, DragonLordKaiba. Capital One Bowl worth 23 points, 28 out of 30 people picked Auburn. DragonLordKaiba and Spicy McHaggis picked Wisconsin. Fiesta Bowl worth 27 points, 22 out of 30 people picked Ohio State. Here's who picked Notre Dame: MarvinisaLunatic, the pinjockey, KingPK, Agent of Oblivion, Lando Griffin, Rrrsh, bravesfan, SpicyMcHaggis. Sugar Bowl worth 26 points, 27 out of 30 people picked Georgia. Here's who picked West Virginia: therealworldschampion, Hawk 34, DragonLordKaiba.

Art Schlichter, the first quarterback taken in the 1982 draft, was a gambling degenerate as well. Soooo... First drafted Quarterbacks since NFL/AFL merger 1970: Terry Bradshaw, Louisiana Tech (Steelers) 1971: Jim Plunkett, Stanford (Patriots) 1972: Jerry Tagge, Nebraska (Packers) 1973: Bert Jones, LSU (Colts) 1974: Danny White, Arizona State (Cowboys, 3rd round) 1975: Steve Bartkowski, California (Falcons) 1976: Richard Todd, Alabama (Jets) 1977: Steve Pisarkiewicz, Missouri (Cardinals) 1978: Doug Williams, Grambling (Bucs) 1979: Jack Thompson, Washington State (Bengals) 1980: Marc Wilson, BYU (Raiders) 1981: Rich Campbell, California (Packers) 1982: Art Schlichter, Ohio State (Colts) 1983: John Elway, Stanford (Colts) 1984: Boomer Esiason, Maryland (Bengals, 2nd round) 1985: Randall Cunningham, UNLV (Eagles, 2nd round) 1986: Jim Everett, Purdue (Oilers) 1987: Vinny Testaverde, Miami (Bucs) 1988: Tom Tupa, Ohio State (Cardinals, 3rd round) 1989: Troy Aikman, UCLA (Cowboys) 1990: Jeff George, Illinois (Colts) 1991: Dan McGwire, San Diego State (Seahawks) 1992: David Klinger, Houston (Bengals) 1993: Drew Bledsoe, Washington State (Patriots) 1994: Heath Shuler, Tennessee (Redskins) 1995: Steve McNair, Alcorn State (Oilers) 1996: Tony Banks, Michigan State (Rams, 2nd round) 1997: Jim Druckenmiller, Virginia Tech (49ers) 1998: Peyton Manning, Tennessee (Colts) 1999: Tim Couch, Kentucky (Browns) 2000: Chad Pennington, Marshall (Jets) 2001: Michael Vick, Virginia Tech (Falcons) 2002: David Carr, Fresno State (Texans) 2003: Carson Palmer, USC (Bengals) 2004: Eli Manning, Mississippi (Giants) 2005: Alex Smith, Utah (49ers)

Hey look more bowls. MONDAY Motor City Bowl: Memphis vs. Akron, 4:00/1:00 PM, ESPN TUESDAY Champs Sports Bowl: Clemson vs. Colorado, 5:00/2:00 PM, ESPN Insight Bowl: Arizona State vs. Rutgers, 8:30/5:30 PM, ESPN WEDNESDAY MPC Computers Bowl: Boise State vs. #21 Boston College, 4:30/1:30 PM, ESPN Alamo Bowl: #20 Michigan vs. Nebraska, 8:00/5:00 PM, ESPN THURSDAY Emerald Bowl: #24 Georgia Tech vs. Utah, 4:30/1:30 PM, ESPN Holiday Bowl: #5 Oregon vs. #23 Oklahoma, 8:00/5:00 PM, ESPN FRIDAY Music City Bowl: Minnesota vs. Virginia, Noon/9:00 AM, ESPN Sun Bowl: #25 Northwestern vs. #16 UCLA, 2:00 PM/11:00 AM, CBS Independence Bowl: South Carolina vs. Missouri, 3:30/12:30 PM, ESPN Peach Bowl: #8 Miami vs. #12 LSU, 7:30/4:30 PM, ESPN SATURDAY Car Care Bowl: South Florida vs. N.C. State, 11:00/8:00 AM, ESPN2 Liberty Bowl: Fresno State vs. Tulsa, 1:00 PM/10:00 AM, ESPN Houston Bowl: #14 TCU vs. Iowa State, 2:30 PM/11:30 AM, ESPN2

To keep the TWiCFB thread from falling apart I've decided this game will need it's own thread so here we are. Looks like the Emerald Bowl isn't going to end by time they kickoff in San Diego.

Standings 1. Will Scarlet 168 2. Edwin MacPhisto 148 3. MarvinisaLunatic 147 4. teke184 137 5. the pinjockey 136 6. Secret Agent 124 7. CanadianChris 122 8. Kingofthe909 116 9. therealworldschampion 111 10. benoitrulz4life 109 11. iggymcfly 108 12. phoenixrising 102 AlwaysPissedOff 102 14. Cuban Linx 99 15. KingPK 98 16. Agent of Oblivion 94 17. Lando Griffin 92 18. Spaceman Spiff 90 19. Gert T 89 20. Hawk 34 88 21. Rrrsh 87 Culloden Hastings 87 23. Agent Bond34 85 keith6601 85 25. DragonLordKaiba 83 26. Bored 77 27. hockey fan 76 28. bravesfan 73 29. Kotzenjunge 60 30. Spicy McHaggis 44

Funny enough the first game decided is the Bored Bowl. With TCU's win AlwaysPissedOff's Alabama Crimson Tide has defeated Spaceman Spiff's Miami Hurricanes and won the Bored College Football Pick 'Em Championship and will receive $50 in cash. APO closed out the year on an 11 game winning streak.

Texans - 13 points Denver N.Y. Giants Indianapolis Baltimore Buffalo Atlanta Minnesota Kansas City Detroit New England New Orleans Houston Jacksonville Green Bay Washington St. Louis

What a dissapointing game, unless your an LSU fan. Speaking of dissapointing, here's tommorrow's games. Car Care Bowl - South Florida vs. N.C. State History 2004: Boston College 37, North Carolina 24 2003: Virginia 23, Pittsburgh 16 2002: Virginia 48, #15 West Virginia 22 Liberty Bowl - Fresno State vs. Tulsa Recent History 2004: #10 Louisville 44, #9 Boise State 40 2003: #22 Utah 17, Southern Miss 0 2002: TCU 17, #24 Colorado State 3 2001: Louisville 28, #20 BYU 10 2000: Colorado State 22, #25 Louisville 17 1999: #17 Southern Miss 23, Colorado State 17 1998: #10 Tulane 41, BYU 27 Houston Bowl - #14 TCU vs. Iowa State History 2004: Colorado 33, UTEP 28 2003: Texas Tech 38, Navy 14 2002: Oklahoma State 33, Southern Miss 23 2001: Texas A&M 28, TCU 9 2000: East Carolina 40, Texas Tech 27

No point in waiting for the Peach Bowl to end. Standings 1. Will Scarlet 133 2. Edwin MacPhisto 127 3. MarvinisaLunatic 117 4. teke184 107 5. CanadianChris 106 the pinjockey 106 7. iggymcfly 103 Secret Agent 103 9. KingPK 98 10. phoenixrising 97 11. Kingofthe909 95 12. therealworldschampion 90 13. benotrulz4life 88 Hawk 34 88 15. Spaceman Spiff 85 16. Rrrsh 82 17. AlwaysPissedOff 81 18. Agent Bond34 80 19. Cuban Linx 78 20. Agent of Oblivion 73 21. Culloden Hastings 71 22. keith6601 69 23. Gert T 68 24. Lando Griffin 57 25. Bored 56 26. hockey fan 55 27. DragonLordKaiba 53 28. bravesfan 52 29. Spicy McHaggis 44 30. Kotzenjunge 39 Saturday's Games Car Care Bowl worth five points, 20 out of 30 people picked N.C. State. Here's who picked South Florida: MarvinisaLunatic, teke184, CanadianChris, the pinjockey, KingPK, Hawk 34, Culloden Hastings, keith6601, DragonLordKaiba, Spicy McHaggis. Liberty Bowl worth 14 points, 24 out of 30 people picked Fresno State. Here's who picked Tulsa: Will Scarlet, MarvinisaLunatic, teke184, the pinjockey, Lando Griffin, DragonLordKaiba. Houston Bowl worth 16 points, 22 out of 30 people picked TCU. Here's who picked Iowa State: iggymcfly, KingPK, phoenixrising, Hawk 34, Spaceman Spiff, Rrrsh, Agent Bond34, Spicy McHaggis.