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It's McGwire! Bonds' 73 already didn't have the same mystique because he was breaking a record that lasted only three years. Even if the steroid controversy hadn't happened it would have taken a very long time for "73" to gain the same recognition that "61" had.

He brought it up in the 2004 SOTU, just a couple of months after the BALCO story broke so it was already a big story at that point. Really the Canseco book is going to amount to nothing as he can't prove all these players were on steroids and none of the players can prove they weren't. The only players we know were on steroids are those who were associated with BALCO and even then the extent of their use is unknown outside of Giambi.

Whoops. Hey Billy Beane was a teammate of Canseco's longer than Tejada... Here's a little fun fact, Canseco's last game of 1997 with the A's was August 26th. Tejada's MLB debut was August 27th. THE PLOT THICKENS!

Although he wasn't a teammate of Canseco's, remember THIS guy was once caught with steroids, so I guess literally anyone could have been. As for actual teammates, Canseco had 537 in his career. So every guy on this list is a suspect! Steve Fireovid Benji Gil Chris Singleton Vaughn Eshelman Allen Watson Orlando Mercado Mark Brandenburg Paul Wilson Pat Hentgen Mark Acre Bill Dawley Roberto Hernandez Robb Nen Rick Reed Richie Lewis Wilson Alvarez Jamie Quirk Fernando Arroyo David Justice Mike Mohler Curt Young Geronimo Berroa Sean Lowe Jimmy Haynes Ron Mahay Reggie Jackson Kevin Witt Doug Strange Kerry Lacy Toby Hall Jason Grimsley Bubba Trammell Felix Jose Edwin Nunez Brian Looney Mike Warren Derek Jeter Mike Bordick Steve Ontiveros Kenny Kelly Scott Sanderson Dick Scott Bill Bathe Travis Harper Rich Bordi Benito Santiago Rick Peters Ruben Sierra Mark Dalesandro Juan Bell David Lamb Julio Ramirez Alex Delgado Keith Foulke Jeff Shaver Alex Cole Joaquin Andujar Mariano Rivera Jeff Sparks Matt Stairs Alex Gonzalez Troy Neel Vinny Castilla Ryan Thompson Jack Daugherty Cory Lidle Matt Whiteside Mike Campbell Dave Otto Russ McGinnis Eric Plunk Glenn Hubbard Kevin Reimer Miguel Tejada Jake Westbrook Bruce Walton Stan Javier Brent Mayne Charlie O'Brien Rich Gossage Jose Guillen Dave Stieb Jeff Huson Ernest Riles Tom Evans Dean Palmer Jose Valentin Wilson Delgado Mike Kingery Steve Kiefer Rich Garces John Dettmer Bobby Howry Jack Armstrong Carney Lansford Rusty Tillman John Russell Jose Cruz Jr. Tony Saunders Scott Chiamparino Craig Grebeck Dave Collins Juan Samuel Dickie Thon Jason Giambi Troy Afenir Roy Halladay Damian Rolls Darren Lewis Buddy Groom Gary Redus Manuel Lee Brent Knackert Alejandro Pena Ed Yarnall Mike Macfarlane Terry Steinbach Josh Paul Dave Hollins Dave Telgheder Norm Charlton Donnie Hill Gary Lavelle Steve Rodriguez Greg Cadaret Terry Shumpert Kirk Dressendorfer Roger Clemens Zane Smith Steve Karsay Dusty Baker Paul Sorrento Rafael Bournigal Roberto Kelly Rob Ducey Shawn Green Shannon Stewart Bill Caudill Kevin Brown Darren Bragg Gene Nelson Monty Fariss Jose Guzman Shane Spencer Dan Meyer Rick Rodriguez Shawn Hillegas Tino Martinez Roger Pavlik Woody Williams Frank Rodriguez Rusty Greer David Hulse Mark Guthrie Steve Chitren Dan Peltier George Williams Brad Rigby Chris Codiroli Tomas Perez Erik Hanson Wil Cordero Kevin Brown Butch Davis Kevin Stocker Luis Andujar Alan Newman Lance Johnson Mark Whiten Jeff Russell Lance Blankenship Trevor Enders Doug Dascenzo Danilo Leon Andy Hawkins Heathcliff Slocumb Scott Brosius Brad Pennington Ozzie Guillen Carlos Rodriguez Brad Komminsk Tony Fernandez Jim Parque Tony Phillips Tim Kubinski Mike Duvall Willie McGee Chris Carpenter Stan Belinda Ken Ryan Jeff Manto Mike Jeffcoat Mike Maddux Matt Young Mickey Callaway Bill Pulsipher Chris James Wayne Rosenthal Dave Stewart James Baldwin Duff Brumley Joe Hudson Bill Haselman Rick Aguilera Clay Bellinger Ken Vining Dan Wright Dane Johnson Damon Mashore Jose Rijo Lenn Sakata Mario Diaz Vince Horsman Bill Mooneyham Sandy Alomar Jr. Mo Vaughn Scott Aldred Mike Difelice Craig Lefferts Ron Witmeyer Ed Sprague Geno Petralli Jose Malave Doug Creek Johnny Guzman Ken Phelps Dave Martinez Charlie Leibrandt Kevin Campbell Steve McCatty Dave Leiper Brian Lesher Tim Naehring Esteban Beltre Nolan Ryan Chris Turner Doug Davis Ozzie Timmons Mike Heath Joel Johnston Lorenzo Barcelo Izzy Molina Keith Atherton Aaron Sele Juan Gonzalez Julio Santana Steve Trachsel Chris Donnels Billy Brewer Esteban Yan Mark L. Johnson Oddibe McDowell Bruce Hurst Ron Darling Dave Von Ohlen Cal Eldred Billy Taylor Brian Harper Tim Van Egmond Joe Slusarski Tilson Brito Larry Arndt Felipe Crespo Tommy John Mike Raczka Hector Fajardo Kelly Downs Aaron Small Jeff Pierce Derek Lilliquist Steve Wojciechowski Jeff Parrett Mike Stanton Miguel Cairo Darrin Fletcher Willie Adams Don Baylor Gary Glover Darren Oliver Ariel Prieto Mickey Tettleton Kelly Wunsch Milt Cuyler Rick Helling Walt McKeel Patrick Lennon Doug Jennings Henry Mercedes Todd Burns Reggie Jefferson McKay Christensen Steve Mura Bill Krueger Aaron Rowand Russ Johnson Paul Quantrill Rick White Brian Snyder Rich Rowland Rob Maurer Gary Haught Ryan Rupe Tony Fiore Ron Cey Steve Howard Jay Tessmer Darrel Akerfelds Brook Jacoby Carlos Lee Danny Clyburn Carlos Almanzar Dwayne Murphy Steve Balboni Dave Kingman Chuck Knoblauch Chris Bando Bob Welch Felix Martinez Mark Bellhorn Dave Parker Dan Smith Jason Tyner Jeff Frye Rudy Pemberton Tanyon Sturtze Rheal Cormier Darrell Einertson Joe Klink Billy Beane Fred Manrique Frank Thomas John Doherty Ramiro Mendoza Daniel Wheeler Brian Bark Rickey Henderson Tim Leary Jay Witasick Vance Law Scott Hemond Gerald Alexander Junior Ortiz Doug Bair John Valentin Mike Schooler Matt Murray Jeff Kaiser Bruce Bochte Steve Sinclair Andrew Lorraine Edit: I C&P'd this off of baseball-reference...and Mark McGwire isn't on it. Strange.

Reportedly Canseco mentions more names in the 60 Minutes interview on Sunday including Miguel Tejada. Edit: Here's an excellent article on the steroid fiasco. http://www.hardballtimes.com/main/article/...teroids-column/

http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c...BAGS3B7U761.DTL If the A's get a new park we now know what corporate sponsor will get the naming rights. Hopefully they won't change to fleece uniforms.

Okay this really has nothing to do with the offseason and only probably Al will care about this list but I didn't really think it was worth it's own thread. I've assembled the Top 100 players in total Win Shares while playing with the Oakland A's (just the Oakland club, not the Athletics franchise). This what they did with Oakland, not an assesment of a player's entire career. I broke ties by ranking the player with less playing time with the A's higher. 1. Rickey Henderson 2. Reggie Jackson 3. Mark McGwire 4. Sal Bando 5. Bert Campaneris 6. Jose Canseco 7. Jason Giambi 8. Dwayne Murphy 9. Carney Lansford 10. Terry Steinbach 11. Joe Rudi 12. Miguel Tejada 13. Vida Blue 14. Gene Tenace 15. Catfish Hunter 16. Eric Chavez 17. Dennis Eckersley 18. Tim Hudson 19. Rollie Fingers 20. Dave Henderson 21. Dave Stewart 22. Tony Phillips 23. Billy North 24. Wayne Gross 25. Rick Monday 26. Mike Davis 27. Barry Zito 28. Rick Langford 29. Mark Mulder 30. Dick Green 31. Tony Armas 32. Mike Bordick 33. Matt Stairs 34. Mitchell Page 35. Ken Holtzman 36. Bob Welch 37. Blue Moon Odom 38. Ramon Hernandez 39. Ben Grieve 40. Mike Heath 41. Steve McCatty 42. Terrence Long 43. Mike Norris 44. Geronimo Berroa 45. Mike Gallego 46. Paul Linblad 47. Mike Moore 48. Scott Brosius 49. Matt Keogh 50. Scott Hatteberg 51. Dave Revering 52. Walt Weiss 53. Stan Javier 54. Mike Esptein 55. Alfredo Griffin 56. Curt Young 57. Dave Kingman 58. Dave Duncan 59. Harold Baines 60. Diego Segui 61. Rick Honeycutt 62. Erubiel Durazo 63. Eric Byrnes 64. Ruben Sierra 65. Jermaine Dye 66. Bruce Bochte 67. Billy Taylor 68. Steve Ontiveros 69. Chuck Dobson 70. Davey Lopes 71. Caudell Washington 72. Jeff Newman 73. Brent Gates 74. Gene Nelson 75. Lance Blankenship 76. Mark Ellis 77. Phil Garner 78. Jim Essian 79. Luis Polonia 80. Gil Heredia 81. Frank Menechino 82. Jason Isringhausen 83. Scott Spiezio 84. Danny Cater 85. Randy Velarde 86. Bob Lacey 87. Kenny Rogers 88. Cory Lidle 89. Dave Parker 90. Don Baylor 91. Jeff Burroughs 92. Chad Bradford 93. Donnie Hill 94. Angel Mangual 95. Billy Williams 96. Ron Hassey 97. Todd Burns 98. Ron Darling 99. Mudcat Grant 100. Tom Underwood

http://news.naver.com/sports/new/list.php?...=cartoon&page=1 Found this site on the DVDVR board and it's pretty funny. The images are very large so I'll just post one. Can anyone read Korean?

How long before Branch signs with the Raiders?

I'll will be SHOCKED if Brady isn't given the MVP. I think there's no clear cut winner this year and the quarterback always wins in that situation.

Good to know four hour erections are still in this year.

Devil Rays hot stove news during the Super Bowl! http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/news?slug=devi...ov=st&type=lgns

http://www.baseballprospectus.com/statistics/ Linked specifically to their great statistics section since the main site is mostly by subscription only. http://retrosheet.org/ The site for old boxscores.

I hope the NFL makes both teams do individual introductions. The coming out as a team thing was cute the first time the Patriots did it but when both teams did it last year it was just annoying. Hell I wish they'd introduce both the offensive and defensive starters for both teams instead of just one unit.

Whoops didn't see this thread, should probably combine them. Remember Jose originally couldn't find anyone to publish this book so I'm sure he's added some embellishments that make the book a bit jucier so it would get published. The man really doesn't have a lot of credibility.

Hellooooooooo publicity stunt! Nothing good is going to come of this.

Yup I searched all I could but Yahoo's are as far back as batter vs. hitter splits goes it appears. Best I can come up with is Orlando Cabrera has the most at bats (17) against Randy Johnson without striking out. Oh and Mike Marshall lead the Majors in 1984 with three homeruns when there was a full moon.

Eight palyers (Dave Winfield, Jim Rice, Ron Kittle, Dave Kingman, Tim Wallach, Cesar Cedeno, Joel Youngblood, Mike Marhsall) all each hit a homerun on June 13, 1984 when there was a full moon. DUH!!!

It still amazes me that Arizona was able to get a new stadium. How the hell will they even fill the place up? The franchise will never and has never had the type of sustained success that can keep fans interested with the Bidwell family owning it.

I made a list ranking every Super Bowl I remember seeing last year on the board so I'll just C&P it. With last year's game I'd probably slot it at #2. My personal #1 will never be knocked off.

Completely unrelated but how are the '86 Mets a "Cinderella story"? Those stupid ESPN Disney World commercials have Peter Gammons saying this. Is there a deleted scene in Cinderella where she does a lot of coke?

That .378 looks mighty flukey and in a small sample compared to his career .334 OBP.

Burnitz in Chicago could potentially be a disaster. We all know the ball travels well in Coors but it's especially favorable to left handed hitters. Wrigley on the other hand is just the opposite as it can be very tough on left handed hitters. He'll be 36 and six years removed from his best season.

It's today at 4 PM EST/1 PM PST on ESPN2. I won't be around to watch the game but it will have plenty of top prospects and Mel Kiper's hair so should create some draft discussion. 2005 Senior Bowl South Team – Coaching Staff: Tampa Bay Buccaneers QB 17 Jason Campbell 6-4 221 Auburn QB 14 David Greene 6-3 231 Georgia QB 16 Brock Berlin 6-1 215 Miami (FL) RB 30 Nehemiah Broughton 5-11 252 The Citadel RB 25 Kay-Jay Harris 6-0 229 West Virginia RB 21 Cedric Houston 5-11 215 Tennessee RB 23 Will Mathews 6-1 259 Texas RB 24 Cadillac Williams 5-11 212 Auburn WR 1 Reggie Brown 6-1 197 Georgia WR 20 Airese Currie 5-10 178 Clemson WR 82 Fred Gibson 6-4 193 Georgia WR 9 Matt Jones 6-6 237 Arkansas WR 11 Craphonso Thorpe 6-1 189 Florida State WR 3 Roydell Williams 6-0 187 Tulane TE 84 Alex Holmes 6-1 269 USC TE 85 Cody McCarty 6-4 267 TCU OL 70 Wesley Britt 6-7 313 Alabama OL 72 Jason Brown 6-2 332 North Carolina OL 76 Marcus Johnson 6-6 316 Ole Miss OL 71 Logan Mankins 6-3 317 Fresno State OL 51 Evan Mathis 6-5 308 Alabama OL 78 Chris Myers 6-4 302 Miami (FL) OL 77 Jeremy Parquet 6-7 324 Southern Miss OL 60 David Stewart 6-5 315 Mississippi State OL 73 Michael Watson 6-4 289 West Virginia OL 61 Ray Willis 6-5 320 Florida State DL 97 Anthony Bryant 6-3 336 Alabama DL 85 Shaun Cody 6-4 292 USC DL 47 Jim Davis 6-3 276 Virginia Tech DL 95 George Gause 6-5 271 South Carolina DL 93 Ronald Fields 6-1 310 Mississippi State DL 99 Mike Montgomery 6-4 280 Texas A&M DL 98 Mike Patterson 6-0 292 USC DL 84 Marcus Spears 6-4 295 LSU DE/LB 94 Demarcus Ware 6-4 232 Troy LB 27 Michael Boley 6-2 225 Southern Miss LB 2 Leroy Hill 6-1 220 Clemson LB 33 Marcus Lawrence 6-2 235 South Carolina LB 54 Robert McCune 6-0 243 Louisville LB 16 Cornelius Wortham 6-2 234 Alabama DB 22 James Butler 6-2 205 Georgia Tech DB 6 Nick Collins 5-10 193 Bethune-Cookman DB 29 Travis Daniels 6-2 188 LSU DB 18 Vincent Fuller 6-1 196 Virginia Tech DB 1 Eric Green 5-11 197 Virginia Tech DB 8 Bryant McFadden 5-11 191 Florida State DB 14 Carlos Rogers 6-0 195 Auburn DB 4 Junior Rosegreen 5-11 189 Auburn DB 13 Corey Webster 6-0 202 LSU K 86 Jonathan Nichols 5-11 182 Ole Miss P 47 Dustin Colqiutt 6-1 196 Tennessee 2005 Senior Bowl North Team – Coaching Staff: Oakland Raiders QB 5 Charlie Frye 6-4 227 Akron QB 7 Dan Orlovsky 6-5 232 Connecticut QB 18 Kyle Orton 6-4 217 Purdue RB 30 J.J. Arrington 5-9 204 California RB 20 Noah Herron 5-10 231 Northwestern RB 43 Darren Sproles 5-6 181 Kansas State RB 40 Zach Tuiasosopo 6-2 249 Washington RB 29 Manuel White 6-2 251 UCLA WR 87 Craig Bragg 6-1 198 UCLA WR 9 Mark Clayton 5-10 185 Oklahoma WR 1 Vincent Jackson 6-5 223 Northern Colorado WR 82 Brandon Jones 6-2 215 Oklahoma WR 19 Courtney Roby 6-0 184 Indiana WR 21 Taylor Stubblefield 5-11 172 Purdue TE 84 Joel Dreessen 6-4 257 Colorado State TE 81 Alex Smith 6-4 255 Stanford OL 75 David Baas 6-4 311 Michigan OL 65 Khalif Barnes 6-5 305 Washington OL 67 Dan Buenning 6-5 310 Wisconsin OL 50 Jonathan Clinkscale 6-4 304 Wisconsin OL 55 Junius Coston 6-3 307 North Carolina A&T OL 79 Justin Geisinger 6-4 342 Vanderbilt OL 71 Michael Roos 6-7 313 Eastern Washington OL 72 Adam Snyder 6-5 325 Oregon OL 78 Adam Terry 6-8 305 Syracuse DL 76 Lorenzo Alexander 6-1 295 California DL 45 Jonathan Babineaux 6-2 276 Iowa DL 97 Attiyah Ellison 6-4 303 Missouri DL 77 Antaaj Hawthorne 6-2 310 Wisconsin DL 31 Matt Roth 6-3 262 Iowa DL 91 Bill Swancutt 6-4 264 Oregon State DL 90 Jimmy Verdon 6-3 278 Arizona State DL 80 Marcus White 6-4 280 Murray State DE/LB 92 Trent Cole 6-2 243 Cincinnati LB 41 Alfred Fincher 6-1 240 Connecticut LB 10 Lance Mitchell 6-2 245 Oklahoma LB 34 Kirk Morrison 6-1 236 San Diego State LB 17 Jared Newberry 6-1 224 Stanford LB 38 Barrett Ruud 6-2 240 Nebraska DB 21 Oshiomogho Atogwe 5-11 203 Stanford DB 1 Ronald Bartell 6-2 198 Howard DB 27 Jamaal Brimmer 6-1 213 UNLV DB 37 Sean Considine 6-0 206 Iowa DB 3 Abraham Elimimian 5-9 193 Hawaii DB 9 Alphonso Hodge 5-11 203 Miami (OH) DB 8 Darrent Williams 5-9 175 Oklahoma State DB 2 Stanley Wilson 5-11 181 Stanford K 85 Mike Nugent 5-9 175 Ohio State P 18 Cole Farden 5-10 199 Oklahoma State

Yes it will be interesting...when we get the next lockout/strike. I have a feeling this time around they won't avoid one at the last minute. Although I don't antiscipate ever having another one like the '94 strike.