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Well I already got in one argument about strikeouts might as well get into another. In 2002 Hernandez had a very good year despite the strikeouts. He had an OPS of .834 (OPS+ of 121) and despite his 188 strikeouts he still had a solid .356 OBP. Remember Bobby Bonds holds the single season record and the year he did it he had an OPS of .897 (OPS+ of 135) and still hit over .300. Breaking the strikeout record is overrated as Bonds was a good player and for one season Jose Hernandez was a good player. Oh and to be a complete geek here is Rob Neyer on the stigma of the strikeout record in his book Rob Neyer's Big Book of Baseball Lineups: Now getting back to Hernandez other than 2002 his best OPS+ in a full season was only 100 so that would that would likely mean his 2002 year was a fluke. Last year his strikeouts did matter since when he wasn't striking out he wasn't getting on base either, unlike 2002 where he was all or nothing. Last year he was just nothing and nothing with a stomach turning .287 OBP.

Yes I lived there for eight months, as recently as last June. It was already topping 100 in late May and hitting 110 in June but maybe I just had bad timing.

Jose Hernandez is about the only free agent 3rd baseman still available...too bad he was just god awful last year. Yankees could take a chance on him and pray he puts up his 2002 numbers but that year definently looks like a fluke. If they get really desperate they could trade for Jeff Cirillo. All things considered they are going to probably just gonna have to go with a giant hole at 3rd for the first half of the season and then try to trade for one at the deadline when a decent one might be available off a team out of contention. Could also call up Mike Bordick and see if he doesn't want to retire and move Jeter to 3rd.

I still will never believe that Las Vegas will get a major profession team. If the Expos moved to Las Vegas then Pete Rose and Joe Jackson should immediately be inducted in the Hall of Fame. Warm? HA! Don't they mean "hot as hell"? Shit its on Las Vegas Blvd so its not like its that far from the casinos.

Breaking news...Aaron Boone is out for the year. By Tom Verducci, SI.com

Everyone is missing the obvious explanation to get him to Raw. Raw opens up tommorrow night with Benoit waking up from bed and realizing it was all a dream. The brand split never happened and he has a match with Val Venis tonight. Then he goes to the bathroom and sees Patrick Duffy in the shower.

Well this thread went to shit. Fucking NFL and their bye week before the Super Bowl.

I'd guess whoever comes up with these bizarre rankings is the same person who writes the comments. Should be pointed out before last year Tim Worrell had 7 career saves and 20 "blown" saves and didn't seem to effect him.

Well that's all I need to know. Oh here is the text to one of the bogus links at the bottom of the article: Seriously why do people visit these bullshit sites? 1popup is bad enough.

The defense is named after former Bears safety Doug Plank who wore #46 when Buddy Ryan first started using the defense in 1981. This really isn't the best explanation of it but the idea is moving the strong safety up from the secondary to give the defense an eight man front, leaving two corners and one free safety in the secondary. The purpose of the 46 defense is to get maximum pressure on the quarterback. It really isn't used exclusively because few teams ever have had the defensive talent the '85 Bears had as its a pretty big risk to always leave only three defensive backs out there and have your corners always in man-to-man coverage. It got exposed by Dan Marino and the Dolphins that year in the Bears only loss and it would have been interesting to see a rematch of them in the Super Bowl but Miami got upset by the Patriots in the AFC Championship game. As for why they didn't win another is that they were slowly broken up soon after including letting Wilbur Marshall go immediately following the '85 season as the Bears owner didn't like spending money. They did actually have homefield in the playoffs in 1988 but that team overachieved and didn't have nearly the talent of the '85 team. They lost to the 49ers 28-3 in the NFC Championship game. Edit: Forgot about the '86 Bears who went 14-2 and actually gave up fewer points than the '85 team but they were upset in the divisional playoffs by the Redskins. That's part of the reason why the Bears only won one Super Bowl because the NFC was loaded in the 80s.

Nitro January 29, 1996 Ric Flair def. Hulk Hogan Road Warriors def. Faces of Fear Sister Sherri def. Madusa The Giant def. Randy Savage by DQ; WCW Title Match January 27, 1997 Steiner Brothers def. Faces of Fear The Giant def. Roadblock Jeff Jarrett def. Eddy Guerrero by DQ; U.S. Title Match Ultimo Dragon def. Billy Pearl Lex Luger def. Ron Powers Arn Anderson & Steve McMichael def. Amazing French Canadians Outsiders def. The Extreme Kevin Sullivan def. Joe Gomez Dean Malenko def. Jerry Flynn Hugh Morrus def. Chris Benoit The Giant def. Hollywood Hogan by DQ; WCW Title Match January 26, 1998 Ultimo Dragon def. El Dandy Bill Goldberg def. Brad Armstrong Konnan def. Jerry Flynn Buff Bagwell def. Rick Steiner by DQ Jim Neidhart def. Wayne Bloom Psicosis def. Chavo Guerrero Jr. Juventud Guerrera def. Louie Spicolli by DQ Raven def. Mortis in a No-DQ Match Diamond Dallas Page def. Wrath; U.S. Title Match Booker T def. Saturn by DQ; TV Title Match Davey Boy Smith def. Steve McMichael Ray Traylor def. Kevin Nash by DQ Lex Luger def. Scott Hall by DQ January 25, 1999 Disco Inferno def. Al Greene Scott Hall NC Bam Bam Bigelow in a Ladder/Taser Match Faces of Fear def. Fit Finlay & Dave Taylor Saturn def. Norman Smiley Bret Hart def. Booker T Goldberg def. Scott Norton Ric Flair, Chris Benoit, & Steve McMichael def. Hollywood Hogan, Kevin Nash, & Scott Steiner by DQ January 31, 2000 Lash LeRoux def. Evan Karagias Mamalukes def. David Flair & Crowbar in a Street Fight for the Tag Titles Kidman def. The Wall Lex Luger NC Brian Knobs; Special Referee, Fit Finlay Norman Smiley def. Shane Helms Diamond Dallas Page def. Disco Inferno Jeff Jarrett & Harris Brothers def. Sid Vicious, Terry Funk, & Ric Flair January 29, 2001 Shannon Moore def. Elix Skipper, Yang, and Jamie Knoble (pinned) in a Four Corners Match The Cat def. Shawn Stasiak Chavo Guerrero Jr. & Animal def. Rey Mysterio Jr. & Kidman Lance Storm def. Crowbar Rick Steiner def. Shane Douglas Kevin Nash def. Buff Bagwell Thunder January 30, 1998 Diamond Dallas Page def. Sick Boy Meng def. Jim Duggan Raven def. Marty Jannetty Bill Goldberg def. Yuji Nagata Scott Hall def. Disco Inferno Booker T def. Saturn by DQ; TV Title Match Steiner Brothers def. Kevin Nash & Konnan by DQ; Tag Title Match January 28, 1999 Hugh Morrus def. Psicosis Chris Jericho def. Silver King Fit Finlay def. Super Calo Outsiders def. Bobby Duncum Jr. & Mike Enos Disco Inferno def. Hector Garza Bam Bam Bigelow def. Kaz Hayashi Konnan & Rey Mysterio Jr. def. Outsiders by DQ January 26, 2000 The Maestro def. Norman Smiley in a hardcore match The Artist def. Kid Romeo Terry Funk def. The Demon Vampiro def. Kidman Buff Bagwell def. Lex Luger by DQ Mamalukes & Disco Inferno def. 3 Count Booker T def. Jerry Flynn Bam Bam Bigelow def. Fit Finlay in a hardcore match Sid Vicious def. Kevin Nash in a Caged Heat Match to win the WCW World Title January 31, 2001 Shane Helms def. Kidman Ron Harris def. Lash LeRoux Bam Bam Bigelow def. Norman Smiley Rick Steiner def. Jeff Jarrett Kwee Wee def. Scotty O Chuck Palumbo & Sean O’Haire def. Mamalukes Konnan def. Reno Totally Buffed def. Kronik Raw January 25, 1993 Randy Savage def. Repo Man Kamala def. Brooklyn Brawler Mr. Perfect def. Ric Flair January 31, 1994 Marty Jannetty def. Johnny Polo Bam Bam Bigelow def. Miguel Rosado Kwang def. Rich Myers Earthquake def. Cory Student January 30, 1995 King Kong Bundy def. Mabel in a Royal Rumble Rules Match Hakushi def. Ricky Santana Aldo Montoya def. David Sierra Smoking Gunns def. 1-2-3 Kid & Bob Holly; Tag Title Match Kama def. Jumbo Berretta January 29, 1996 Diesel def. British Bulldog Godwinns def. BodyDonnas Shawn Michaels def. Yokozuna January 27, 1997 Crush def. Ahmed Johnson British Bulldog def. Doug Furnas Godwinns def. Mankind & Vader by count out January 26, 1998 Ken Shamrock def. Mark Henry by DQ Jeff Jarrett & Barry Windham def. Legion of Doom TAFKA Goldust NC Vader New Age Outlaws def. Cactus Jack & Chainsaw Charlie by DQ; Tag Title Match El Pantera def. Brian Christopher Headbangers def. Quebecers Owen Hart def. TAFKA Goldust to win the European Title January 25, 1999 Billy Gunn def. Goldust Droz def. George Steele Owen Hart & Jeff Jarrett def. Ken Shamrock & Big Bossman to win the Tag Team Titles Test def. Val Venis Road Dogg & Al Snow def. Gangrel & Edge in a hardcore match The Rock def. Triple H in a I Quit Match for the WWF Title January 31, 2000 New Age Outlaws NC Head Cheese Christian def. D-Von Dudley Big Show def. Too Cool in a handicap match The Rock def. Kurt Angle X-Pac def. Chris Jericho Hervina (Harvey Whippleman) def. The Kat to win the Women’s Title The Hollys def. Viscera in a handicap match Buh Buh Ray Dudley def. Matt Hardy by DQ January 29, 2001 Dudley Boyz def. Kaentai; Tag Title Match Val Venis def. Steve Blackman Hardy Boyz def. Acolytes and Bull Buchanan & Goodfather (pinned) in a Triple Threat Match Raven def. Crash; HC Title Match Undertaker def. Haku Lita NC Jacqueline The Rock def. Chris Benoit, Big Show, and Chris Jericho (pinned) in a Fatal Four-Way Match January 28, 2002 Kane def. Big Show William Regal def. Rob Van Dam by DQ; IC Title Match DDP & Godfather def. Lance Storm & Christian Chris Jericho def. Maven; Undisputed Title Match Billy & Chuck & Jazz def. APA & Trish Stratus Booker T def. Triple H Steve Austin def. Kurt Angle January 27, 2003 Booker T def. Jeff Hardy D’Lo Brown def. Hurricane Victoria def. Trish Stratus in a Chicago Street Fight for the Women’s Title William Regal & Lance Storm def. Dudley Boyz in a Tables Match for the Tag Titles Matt Cappotelli NC John Hennigan Triple H & Batista def. Kane & Rob Van Dam Smackdown January 27, 2000 Al Snow def. Billy Gunn by DQ Edge & Christian def. Dudley Boyz Viscera def. Hardcore Holly Kane def. Big Show by DQ Too Cool NC Godfather & D’Lo Brown Test def. Gangrel; HC Title Match Tazz def. Mean Street Posse in a handicap match Chris Jericho def. Crash Holly; IC Title Match The Rock NC Rikishi Phatu January 25, 2001 Undertaker def. Rikishi by DQ Jeff Hardy & Bradshaw def. Matt Hardy & Faarooq Big Show def. Chris Jericho by DQ; IC Title Match Tazz def. K-Kwik Test def. Christian; Euro Title Match Hollys def. Bull Buchanan & Goodfather Kurt Angle def. Kane; WWF Title Match January 31, 2002 Chris Jericho def. Tazz DDP def. Christian to win the European Title Rob Van Dam & Edge def. Dudley Boyz APA def. Booker T & Test The Rock & Triple H def. Undertaker & Kurt Angle by DQ January 30, 2003 A-Train def. Rey Mysterio Eddie Guerrero def. John Cena Billy Kidman def. Shannon Moore Bill DeMott def. Rikishi Team Angle def. Chris Benoit & Edge

Senior Bowl is today at 5 PM EST/2 PM PST on ESPN. Eli Manning and Roy Williams aren't in the game but Mel Kiper and his hair will be there so will be plenty of draft discussion. Here are the players who did choose to play. South Roster Coaching staff: San Diego Chargers (Marty Schottenheimer) No. Pos. Name Ht. Wt. School 1 DB Keiwan Ratliff 5-10 175 Florida 2 DB Bruce Thornton 5-10 197 Georgia 3 DB Nathan Vasher 5-9 178 Texas 3 RB Cedric Cobbs 6-0 221 Arkansas 5 DB Greg Brooks 5-10 175 Southern Miss 6 RB Greg Jones 6-2 251 Florida State 7 QB J.P. Losman 6-2 212 Tulane 8 QB Matt Schaub 6-5 244 Virginia 9 WR Devery Henderson 5-11 190 LSU 11 WR Justin Jenkins 6-1 210 Mississippi State 17 QB Philip Rivers 6-5 225 NC State 19 WR Ernest Wilford 6-3 221 Virginia Tech 20 DB Madieu Williams 6-0 190 Maryland 21 RB Shaud Williams 5-8 180 Alabama 22 RB Derrick Pope 6-0 233 Alabama 23 DB Keith Smith 5-11 182 McNeese State 24 LB Rod Davis 6-2 241 Southern Miss 26 RB Mewelde Moore 5-10 206 Tulane 28 DB Etric Pruitt 6-0 190 Southern Miss 29 DB Gus Scott 5-10 190 Florida 43 DL Dave Ball 6-5 272 UCLA 44 K Brent Smith 5-10 202 Mississippi State 45 RB Brandon Johnson 5-10 228 Auburn 51 LB Daryl Smith 6-2 235 Georgia Tech 52 LB Keyaron Fox 6-2 223 Georgia Tech 54 LB Dontarrious Thomas 6-2 232 Auburn 55 DL Tommy Kelly 6-6 293 Mississippi State 56 OL Sean Locklear 6-4 303 NC State 57 DL Bobby McCray 6-6 245 Florida 58 LB Michael Boulware 6-2 226 Florida State 60 OL Bo Lacy 6-4 398 Alabama 64 OL Jake Grove 6-3 302 Virginia Tech 66 OL Scott Wells 6-2 302 Tennessee 68 OL Travelle Wharton 6-4 312 South Carolina 72 OL Stephen Peterman 6-3 321 LSU 73 OL Alan Reuber 6-6 312 Texas A&M 76 OL Jeb Terry 6-5 311 North Carolina 77 DL Rodney Leisle 6-3 288 UCLA 79 OL Max Starks 6-7 340 Florida 80 P Donnie Jones 6-2 218 LSU 82 WR Jerricho Cotchery 6-0 197 NC State 83 DL Nathaniel Adibi 6-3 255 Virginia Tech 84 WR Triandos Luke 5-11 190 Alabama 86 TE Ronnie Ghent 6-3 235 Louisville 89 TE Ben Watson 6-3 253 Georgia 92 DL DeMarco McNeil 6-1 301 Auburn 93 DL Chad Lavalais 6-2 294 LSU 95 DL Darnell Dockett 6-2 280 Florida State North Roster Coaching staff: Cincinnati Bengals (Marvin Lewis) No. Pos. Name Ht. Wt. School 00 DL Travis LaBoy 6-4 253 Hawaii 1 DB Joey Thomas 6-1 187 Montana State 2 DB Derrick Strait 5-11 190 Oklahoma 3 QB Cody Pickett 6-4 220 Washington 4 WR James Newson 6-0 208 Oregon State 5 QB Josh Harris 6-1 226 Bowling Green 6 LB Grant Wiley 6-0 229 West Virginia 7 QB John Navarre 6-6 235 Michigan 9 DB Stuart Schweigert 6-1 211 Purdue 11 LB Teddy Lehman 6-1 240 Oklahoma 12 WR Michael Jenkins 6-4 213 Ohio State 14 DB Brandon Everage 5-11 190 Oklahoma 15 DL Shaun Phillips 6-3 254 Purdue 18 LB Bryan Hickman 6-1 228 Kansas State 19 P Kyle Larson 6-0 207 Nebraska 20 DB Ricardo Colclough 5-11 186 Tusculum 21 DB Jeremy LeSueur 6-1 200 Michigan 22 RB Julius Jones 5-10 205 Notre Dame 25 DB Rich Gardner 5-10 185 Penn State 27 RB Tatum Bell 5-11 204 Oklahoma State 32 RB Michael Turner 5-10 228 Northern Illinois 34 LB Niko Koutouvides 6-3 235 Purdue 35 LB Courtney Watson 6-1 242 Notre Dame 36 WR Maurice Brown 6-2 216 Iowa 43 RB Lousaka Polite 6-0 245 Pittsburgh 44 RB Thomas Tapeh 6-1 240 Minnesota 47 LB Demorrio Williams 6-0 212 Nebraska 48 DL Isaac Sopoaga 6-3 315 Hawaii 53 OL Nick Leckey 6-6 310 Kansas State 54 DL Tim Anderson 6-3 302 Ohio State 60 DL Darrell Campbell 6-3 294 Notre Dame 63 OL Nick Hardwick 6-4 283 Purdue 67 OL Kirk Chambers 6-6 314 Stanford 69 OL Brian Rimpf 6-6 318 East Carolina 71 OL Shane Olivea 6-3 335 Ohio State 73 OL Shane Bubin 6-6 303 Illinois 74 OL Jacob Bell 6-4 292 Miami (Ohio) 76 OL Alex Stepanovich 6-3 295 Ohio State 77 OL Adrian Clark 6-4 334 Ohio State 81 WR Johnnie Morant 6-4 221 Syracuse 83 WR Keary Colbert 6-0 203 USC 86 TE Kris Wilson 6-2 239 Pittsburgh 89 TE Chris Cooley 6-3 252 Utah State 91 DL Antonio Smith 6-4 260 Oklahoma State 92 DL Jordan Carstens 6-6 306 Iowa State 95 K Nate Kaeding 6-0 181 Iowa 98 DL Dwan Edwards 6-3 305 Oregon State

From the Phillies official website:

Here's an article about the bizarre right field wall in the new San Diego ballpark: http://www.signonsandiego.com/sports/sulli...4sullivan.html#

Like the t.v. results thread I'm now consolidating all of this to one thread, also because there is already a Royal Rumble topic. WWF/WWE Royal Rumble 1989 – 2003 January 15, 1989 The Hart Foundation & Jim Duggan def. The Rougeau Brothers & Dino Bravo in a Two out of Three Falls Match Rockin’ Robin def. Judy Martin; Women’s Title Match King Haku def. Harley Race John Studd won the Royal Rumble January 21, 1990 Jim Duggan def. The Big Bossman by DQ The Bushwhackers def. The Fabulous Rougeau Brothers Brutus Beefcake NC The Genius Ronnie Garvin def. Greg Valentine in a Submission Match Hulk Hogan won the Royal Rumble January 19, 1991 The Rockers def. The New Orient Express Big Bossman def. The Barbarian The Mountie def. Koko B. Ware Ted DiBiase & Virgil def. Dusty Rhodes & Dustin Rhodes Sgt. Slaughter def. Ultimate Warrior to win the WWF Title Hulk Hogan won the Royal Rumble January 19, 1992 The New Foundation def. The Orient Express Roddy Piper def. The Mountie to win the Intercontinental Title The Beverly Brothers def. The Bushwhackers The Natural Disasters def. The Legion of Doom by count out; Tag Title Match Ric Flair won the Royal Rumble to win the WWF Title January 24, 1993 The Steiner Brothers def. The Beverly Brothers Shawn Michaels def. Marty Jannetty; IC Title Match Bam Bam Bigelow def. Big Bossman Bret Hart def. Razor Ramon; WWF Title Match Yokozuna won the Royal Rumble January 22, 1994 Tatanka def. Bam Bam Bigelow The Quebecers def. Bret Hart & Owen Hart, referee’s decision; Tag Title Match Razor Ramon def. I.R.S.; IC Title Match Yokozuna def. The Undertaker in a Casket Match for the WWF Title Bret Hart & Lex Luger are co-winners of the Royal Rumble January 22, 1995 Jeff Jarrett def. Razor Ramon to win the Intercontinental Title The Undertaker def. I.R.S. Diesel NC Bret Hart; WWF Title Match The 1-2-3 Kid & Bob Holly def. Tatanka & Bam Bam Bigelow to win the Tag Team Titles Shawn Michaels won the Royal Rumble January 21, 1996 Ahmed Johnson def. Jeff Jarrett by DQ The Smoking Gunns def. The Bodydonnas; Tag Title Match Goldust def. Razor Ramon to win the Intercontinental Title Shawn Michaels won the Royal Rumble The Undertaker def. Bret Hart by DQ; WWF Title Match January 21, 1997 Hunter Hearst Helmsley def. Goldust; IC Title Match Ahmed Johnson def. Faarooq by DQ Vader def. The Undertaker Hector Garza, Perro Aguayo, & El Canek def. Jerry Estrada, Heavy Metal, & Fuerza Guerrera Steve Austin won the Royal Rumble Shawn Michaels def. Sycho Sid to win the WWF Title January 18, 1998 Vader def. TAFKA Goldust Max Mini, Nova, & Mosaic def. Battalion, El Torito, & Tarantula; Special Referee, Sunny The Rock def. Ken Shamrock by DQ; IC Title Match The Legion of Doom def. The New Age Outlaws by DQ; Tag Title Match Steve Austin won the Royal Rumble Shawn Michaels def. The Undertaker in a Casket Match for the WWF Title January 24, 1999 Big Bossman def. Road Dogg Ken Shamrock def. Billy Gunn; IC Title Match X-Pac def. Gangrel; Euro Title Match Sable def. Luna in a Strap Match for the Women’s Title The Rock def. Mankind in an I Quit Match to win the WWF Title Vince McMahon won the Royal Rumble January 23, 2000 Tazz def. Kurt Angle The Hardy Boyz def. The Dudley Boyz in a Tables Match Chris Jericho def. Hardcore Holly and Chyna (pinned) in a Triple Threat Match to win the Intercontinental Title outright The New Age Outlaws def. The Acolytes; Tag Title Match Triple H def. Cactus Jack in a Street Fight for the WWF Title The Rock won the Royal Rumble January 21, 2001 The Dudley Boyz def. Edge & Christian to win the Tag Team Titles Chris Jericho def. Chris Benoit in a Ladder Match to win the Intercontinental Title Ivory def. Chyna; Women’s Title Match Kurt Angle def. Triple H; WWF Title Match Steve Austin won the Royal Rumble January 20, 2002 Tazz & Spike Dudley def The Dudley Boyz; Tag Title Match William Regal def. Edge to win the Intercontinental Title Trish Stratus def. Jazz; Special Referee, Jacqueline; Women’s Title Match Ric Flair def. Vince McMahon in a Street Fight Chris Jericho def. The Rock; WWF Title Match Triple H won the Royal Rumble January 19, 2003 Brock Lesnar def. The Big Show The Dudley Boyz def. William Regal & Lance Storm to win the World Tag Team Titles Torrie Wilson def. Dawn Marie Scott Steiner def. Triple H by DQ; HW Title Match Kurt Angle def. Chris Benoit; WWE Title Match Brock Lesnar won the Royal Rumble NWA/WCW The Bunkhouse Stampede - January 24, 1988 Nikita Koloff NC Bobby Eaton, time-limit draw; TV Title Match Larry Zbysko def. Barry Windham to win the UWF Western States Title Hawk def. Ric Flair by DQ; NWA Title Match Dusty Rhodes won the Bunkhouse Stampede Match Souled Out – January 25, 1997 Masahiro Chono def. Chris Jericho Big Bubba def. Hugh Morrus in a Mexican Death Match Jeff Jarrett def. Michael Wallstreet Buff Bagwell def. Scotty Riggs Scott Norton def. Diamond Dallas Page by count out The Steiner Brothers def. The Outsiders to “win” the Tag Team Titles; decision was reversed the next night Eddy Guerrero def. Syxx in a Ladder Match for the U.S. Title Hollywood Hogan NC The Giant; WCW Title Match Souled Out – January 24, 1998 Juventud Guerrera, Chavo Guerrero Jr., Super Calo, & Lizmark Jr. def. Psychosis, La Parka, Silver King, & El Dandy Chris Benoit def. Raven in a No-DQ Match Chris Jericho def. Rey Mysterio Jr. to win the Cruiserweight Title Booker T def. Rick Martel; TV Title Match Larry Zbysko def. Scott Hal by DQ The Steiner Brothers & Ray Traylor def. Konnan, Scott Norton, & Buff Bagwell Kevin Nash def. The Giant Bret Hart def. Ric Flair Lex Luger def. Randy Savage Souled Out - January 17, 1999 Chris Benoit def. Mike Enos Norman Smiley def. Chavo Guerrero Jr. Fit Finlay def. Van Hammer Bam Bam Bigelow def. Wrath Lex Luger def. Konnan Chris Jericho def. Saturn Kidman def. Rey Mysterio Jr., Psychosis, and Juventud Guerrera (pinned) in a Four Corners Match for the CW Title Ric Flair & David Flair def. Curt Hennig & Barry Windham Goldberg def. Scott Hall in a Ladder/Tazer Match Souled Out – January 16, 2000 Kidman def. Dean Malenko in a Catch as Catch can Match Vampiro def. Crowbar and David Flair (pinned) in a Triangle Match Big Vito & Johnny the Bull def. The Harris Boys Oklahoma def. Madusa to win the Cruiserweight Title Brian Knobs def. Fit Finlay, Meng, and Norman Smiley (pinned) in a Four-Way Match for the HC Title Kidman def. Saturn in a Bunkhouse Match Booker T def. Stevie Ray by DQ Tank Abbott def. Jerry Flynn Buff Bagwell def. Diamond Dallas Page in a Last Man Standing Match The Wall def. Kidman in a Caged Heat Match Kevin Nash def. Terry Funk Chris Benoit def. Sid Vicious to win the WCW World Title Sin – January 14, 2001 Chavo Guerrero Jr. def. Shane Helms; CW Title Match Reno def. Big Vito The Jung Dragons def. Knoble & Karagias The Cat def. Mike Sanders Lance Storm, Mike Awesome, & Elix Skipper def. Konnan, Rey Mysterio, & Kidman in a Penalty Box Match; Special Referee, Jim Duggan Meng def. Terry Funk and Crowbar (pinned) in a Triangle Match to win the Hardcore Title Chuck Palumbo & Sean O’Haire def. Kevin Nash & Diamond Dallas Page to win the Tag Team Titles Shane Douglas def. General Rection in a First Blood Match to win the United States Title Lex Luger & Buff Bagwell def. Goldberg & Sarge in a No-DQ Match Scott Steiner def. Jeff Jarrett, The Mystery Man (Animal), and Sid Vicious (pinned) in a Four Corners Match for the WCW Title

If you want some entertainment go read the his website forum. http://www.terrellowens.com/forum/ You have to register to read them. Under the "Ask Terrell" section supposedly the real Terrell Owens responds and I guess the articles above confirm it. Thing is "TO" (his registered name) isn't quite as articulate as the quotes above. He types in all caps and sounds like he is 14 years old. Here's one reply talking about Garcia.

I'm Bored so I might as well rank the Super Bowls that I have memories of watching which would go back to Super Bowl XX as basically all my sport memories begin in 1986 for whatever reason. This is totally off the top of my head and totally subjective and should not be read by anyone. 1. XXXIII - 49ers 20, Bengals 16. I'm biased, so sue me. Only game to have a winning touchdown in the final minute. 2. XXXII - Denver 31, Green Bay 24. Probably a better game than the above but loses points for Holmgren having the Packers not attempt to stop Terrell Davis for the eventual winning touchdown to save time. 3. XXXIV - St. Louis 23, Tennessee 16. Okay the game wasn't that great the first three quarters but it was probably the best 4th quarter of any Super Bowl and tough to beat the last play of the game for a heart stopping moment. 4. XXXVI - New England 20, St. Louis 17. No explanation really needed here, I just rank it below the other three as I barely remember the rest of the game outside the game winning field goal. 5. XXV - N.Y. Giants 20, Buffalo 19. You'd get a lot of people to argue this is the greatest Super Bowl ever *cough* New Yorkers *cough* but I've never felt the love everyone gives this game as it was just the Giants basically boring the Bills into defeat and the Bills still almost won. Okay unfair comment and I hated the Giants at the time for ending the 49ers shot at three straight but hey its my list! 6. XXX - Dallas 27, Pittsburgh 17. Yikes pretty big drop off after that five as most every other Super Bowl in the last 18 years has been fairly forgettable. This game was super competitive though and the Steelers outplayed the Cowboys but Neil O'Donnell fell in love with Larry Brown. 7. XXVIII - Dallas 30, Buffalo 13. Yup its getting ugly. I don't know I guess I rank this above the other blow outs for the Bills shockingly leading at the half before the Cowboys blew them out. 8. XXI - N.Y. Giants 39, Denver 20. It was competitive for about a quarter and sorta entertaining. 9. XXXI - Green Bay 35, New Englad 21. Seriously at this point its totally arbitrary. All I remember about this was Reggie White saying God chose the Packers to win or something but he said that a lot. 10. XXVI - Washington 37, Buffalo 24. Um...well at least In Living Color was on at halftime. 11. XXIV - San Francisco 55, Denver 10. Ya ya this should be at the bottom but WEST COAST BIAS! At least it has some historical significance and I looooooove pointing this game out to anyone who says John Elway was better than Joe Montana. 12. XXXIII - Denver 34, Atlanta 19. Total nothing game and made people start calling John Elway the greatest qb of all-time and NO ONE needs that. 13. XXII - Washington 42, Denver 10. Denver dominated for a quarter and Washington has the best quarter ever in the 2nd. Of course 2nd half ended up being completely irrelevent. 14. XXXVII - Tampa Bay 48, Oakland 21. Hey seeing the Raiders getting destroyed can't be half bad. 15. XX - Chicago 46, New England 10. First Super Bowl I ever watched and maybe my earliest sports related memory. I remember my brother and I were rooting for the Patriots. Yeesh. 16. XXIX - San Francisco 49, San Diego 26. Well okay even I can't justify ranking this very high. This game was even more of a sure thing going in than the Denver blow out. They should have just given the 49ers the trophy before the game. 17. XXVII - Dallas 52, Buffalo 17. God I hated the Cowboys and this just sucked to watch. I didn't even see the infamous Leon Lett play as I'd stop watching soon before that. 18. XXXV - Baltimore 34, N.Y. Giants 7. Total nothing game as parity brought the least desirable match-up in Super Bowl history, even more than this year's game. Just didn't give a flying fuck about it. There ya go.

What would you prefer he fued with A-Train? God damn who fucking cares? I wasn't big on the Eddie/Chavo feud at first but it has OWNED the last few weeks since Chavo finally turned and easily the best storyline going right now.

ESPN.com's Page 2 has their 100 Greatest Super Bowl Moments list up. http://espn.go.com/page2/s/superbowlmoments100.html I don't know how you come up with 100 moments for only 37 games played and some of the lower ones are fairly trivial. I won't spoil the #1 moment they had and I agree with it 100% but I am biased.

SI.com has the arbitration salary figures up: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2004/base...ration.figures/ Ignore Roy Halladay's figure of course since he signed a new deal today.

After some digging finally found his stats from last year as a Freshman. Only made one start and had 16 appearances overall, was 2-0 with a 2.20 ERA in 28 2/3 innings pitched, with 44 strikeouts and 11 walks. From what I read he'll still be in the bullpen this year.

From rotoworld.com Just make it stop already!!!!!!!!!! I created a topic for this so, if the talks do happen to start up again this wekeend, we won't get 20 pages of this in the offseason topic.

It had been mentioned the NBA's worst era business wise, the late 70s, but holy shit playing wise today's era is just horrible. I can't sit through an NBA game all the way through anymore, unless I'm actually at the game of course. No one can shoot anymore, at least not American players, and I'm not even sure if the NBA and its coaches even give a shit because its amazing to me how bad it has got. And its not better defense because go back to the Bad Boys Pistons who beat the shit of their opponents for 48 minutes but they still gave up just over 100 points a game (and the led the league in that category) because when their opponent got a rare open shot, they'd *gasp* make it! It is just astounding to me that its so hard for most of the league now to score 100 points when it used to be only the worst teams in the league couldn't crack 100 a game. My god tonight I see the current Pistons, a team that was on a 13 game winning streak, score 69 points tonight!!! How the fuck does an NBA team, especially a good one (by East standards), score 69 points? Were they even trying? I don't care how good of defense the Pacers play that is just pathetic. And the sad thing is its now a fairly common thing for a team to score that few of points.

Need to start bringing some content to this thread. Here is ESPN.com's Joe Lunardi's current bracket projection (through Sunday's games): http://sports.espn.go.com/ncb/bracketology And here is the Top 25 teams in the RPI ratings through Monday's games from collegerpi.com: 1. St. Joseph's 15-0 2. Kentucky 11-2 3. Duke 14-1 4. Louisville 13-1 5. Florida 11-3 6. North Carolina 11-3 7. Texas Tech 15-2 8. Stanford 14-0 9. Kansas 10-2 10. Arizona 11-3 11. Georgia Tech 14-2 12. Connecticut 15-2 13. Alabama 10-4 14. Providence 11-3 15. Wisconsin 11-3 16. Gonzaga 14-2 17. Cincinnati 13-0 18. Pittsburgh 17-1 19. Syracuse 13-1 20. Boston College 12-4 21. Mississippi State 14-1 22. LSU 12-2 23. Vanderbilt 13-2 24. Texas 11-2 25. Wake Forest 11-2

Considering the M's already have Guardado (who I'm presuming will be the closer) and Hasegawa (who was 16-17 in saves last year, and thus makes a great fill-in and setup man), I don't see why they need Urbina. They could do far worse for bullpen help, though. Well its meant to be tougne in cheek because there is never any logic to moves Bavasi makes. Anyways like I pointed out in the previous post Guardado is the only lefty they have in their bullpen so I'd assume he won't be the closer.