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Well it is a non-spoiler topic but since it was asked here is the Survivor Series match-up: Spoiler (Highlight to Read): Team Angle: Kurt Angle, Chris Benoit, Hardcore Holly, A.P.A. vs. Team Lesnar: Brock Lesnar, Big Show, John Cena,.....Nathan Jones and Matt Morgan...NATHAN JONES AND MATT MORGAN!!!!!!!! Ugh.

Fuck this shit. Oh and before everyone gets excited I'm assuming the Elix Skipper match was a dark match since its the first one listed and not part of Velocity.

Velocity: Billy Kidman vs. Rhyno Spanky & Paul London vs. Two Jobbers Tajiri vs. Shannon Moore Smackdown: Kurt Angle & Chris Benoit vs. John Cena & A-Train The World's Greatest Tag Team vs. F.B.I., handicap match Rey Mysterio vs. Ultimo Dragon Basham Brothers vs. Rikishi & Scotty 2 Hotty (missed it in the spoilers first time through) Torrie Wilson vs. Dawn Marie, Costume Match A.P.A. vs. Brock Lesnar & The Big Show Oh and the Survivor Series match was set up and yes its worse than anyone could have expected.

Where did those come from and what are the actual results?

Here is YOUR national t.v. schedule for this huge week in college football. ABC's lame regional coverage strikes again with the three time-slot doubleheader. Here on the west coast we'll get USC/Washington St. (why the hell is a game between two Top 10 teams not national?) later in the day and the rest of the country we'll get either Michigan/Michigan St. or Nebraska/Texas (those poor people) earlier in the day. I think this is just a conspiracy to get people to order Game Plan. All times are Pacific, ABC regional games are marked with an asterisk, and rankings are the BCS rankings. Thursday Boise State at BYU, 4:30 PM, ESPN Friday Cincinnati at South Florida, 4:30 PM, ESPN2 Saturday #13 Michigan at #10 Michigan State, 9:00 AM, ABC* #9 Nebraska at #22 Texas, 9:00 AM, ABC* Northwestern at #18 Purdue, 9:00 AM, ESPN Utah at Air Force, 9:00 AM, ESPN2 #3 Florida State at Notre Dame, 11:30 AM, NBC #5 Georgia vs. #21 Florida, 12:30 PM, CBS #14 Oklahoma State at #1 Oklahoma, 12:30 PM, ABC* #6 Ohio State at Penn State, 12:30 PM, ABC* Virginia at N.C. State, 12:30 PM, ABC* #25 UCLA at Stanford, 12:30 PM, FSN #8 Washington State at #4 USC, 4:00 PM, ABC* Arkansas at Kentucky, 4:00 PM, ESPN2 Colorado at Texas Tech, 4:00 PM, FSN #2 Miami at #16 Viriginia Tech, 4:45 PM, ESPN Oregon at Washington, 7:00 PM, TBS

You know I enjoyed one thing about the segment...the complete indifference the crowd had to the whole thing. They just didn't fucking care. Its good to see even the marks are tired of this fued.

Oh I thought you were saying in general...nevermind.

Jaime Howard = Jamie Noble, right? Yes and he would go by Jamie Knoble after unmasking.

October 29, 1998 Wrath def. Van Hammer Fit Finlay def. Alex Wright The Disciple def. Tough Tom Dean Malenko def. Eddy Guerrero by DQ Chris Jericho def. Disco Inferno; TV Title Match Kidman def. Chavo Guerrero Jr.; CW Title Match Ernest Miller def. Villano V Scott Hall def. Steve Armstrong The Giant def. Raven by DQ October 28, 1999 Juventud Guerrera NC Evan Karagias The Maestro def. Prince Iaukea Saturn & Dean Malenko def. Silver King & El Dandy Stevie Ray def. Vincent Eddy Guerrero, Konnan, & Kidman def. Steven Regal, Dave Taylor, & Chris Adams Lash LeRoux def. Chavo Guerrero Jr. Berlyn def. Jerry Flynn Buff Bagwell def. Scotty Riggs Chris Benoit def. Sid Vicious by DQ November 1, 2000 3 Count def. The Jung Dragons Elix Skipper def. Lt. Loco Konnan & Kidman def. Boogie Knights Sgt. A-Wall def. Meng Lance Storm def. Norman Smiley Bam Bam Bigelow def. Crowbar Sting & Mike Awesome def. Jeff Jarrett & Vampiro

Theo's?

I'm quoted in a sig now...do I win something?

Here is the new BCS Top 25 and Bottom 10 from collegebcs.com: 1. Oklahoma 2.45 2. Miami 3.87 3. Florida State 10.34 4. USC 11.07 5. Georgia 11.15 6. Ohio State 12.60 7. LSU 18.68 8. Washington State 20.67 9. Nebraska 21.38 10. Michigan State 23.53 11. Iowa 26.57 12. TCU 28.63 13. Michigan 30.59 14. Oklahoma State 32.57 15. Tennessee 33.53 16. Virginia Tech 35.68 17. Bowling Green 38.73 18. Purdue 39.33 19. Miami of Ohio 42.41 20. Missouri 44.90 21. Florida 45.96 22. Texas 46.50 23. Northern Illinois 48.58 24. Minnesota 52.71 25. UCLA 55.89 Bottom 10 117. SMU 126.71 116. LA-Monroe 126.68 115. Army 125.09 114. Idaho 124.62 113. Eastern Michigan 123.24 112. New Mexico State 123.23 111. UTEP 120.31 110. Buffalo 118.74 109. East Carolina 115.96 108. LA-Lafayette 114.40

October 30, 1995 Eddy Guerrero def. Sgt. Craig Pittman Scott Norton NC Shark; double count out Sabu def. Disco Inferno Lex Luger & Meng def. The American Males October 28, 1996 Steven Regal def. Juventud Guerrera; TV Title Match Diamond Dallas Page def. Mike Enos Dean Malenko def. Jim Powers; CW Title Match Jeff Jarrett def. Ricky Morton The Amazing French Canadians NC High Voltage Rey Mysterio Jr. def. Jimmy Graffiti Chris Benoit def. Eddy Guerrero Booker T def. Lex Luger by count out October 27, 1997 Rey Mysterio Jr. def. Dean Malenko; CW Title Match Glacier def. La Parka Lex Luger def. Stevie Ray Eddy Guerrero def. Chris Jericho Chris Benoit def. Fit Finlay Raven NC Scotty Riggs Diamond Dallas Page def. Hollywood Hogan by DQ; WCW Title Match Bill Goldberg def. Disco Inferno by DQ; TV Title Match The Steiner Brothers def. The Public Enemy; Tag Title Match Curt Hennig def. Booker T by DQ; U.S. Title Match Ric Flair def. Randy Savage by DQ October 26, 1998 Stevie Ray def. Kenny Kaos Kanyon def. Prince Iaukea Alex Wright def. Barry Horowitz Wrath def. Sick Boy Goldberg def. Diamond Dallas Page; WCW Title Match Saturn def. Eddy Guerrero by DQ Rick Steiner & Kenny Kaos def. The Giant & Stevie Ray; Tag Title Match Kidman def. Juventud Guerrera; CW Title Match Scott Hall & Scott Steiner NC Lex Luger & Konnan Diamond Dallas Page def. Bret Hart to win the United States Title November 1, 1999 Vampiro def. Berlyn Lash LeRoux def. The Cat Buff Bagwell def. Stevie Ray by DQ Curt Hennig def. Disco Inferno by count out Norman Smiley def. Meng and The Barbarian (pinned) a Hardcore Three-Way Match Eddy Guerrero def. Saturn in a Key on a Pole Match Sting & Lex Luger def. Konnan & Kidman by DQ; Tag Title Match Jeff Jarrett def. Booker T Madusa def. Evan Karagias Chris Benoit def. Dean Malenko in a Cage Match Scott Hall def. Sid Vicious October 30, 2000 Mark Jindrak & Sean O’Haire def. Rey Mysterio Jr. & Kidman; Tag Title Match Reno def. Kwee Wee; HC Title Match M.I. Smooth def. David Flair Lex Luger def. Buff Bagwell Kronik def. The Perfect Event The Cat def. Mike Sanders Booker T def. Scott Steiner and Mike Awesome (pinned) in a Three-Way Match for the WCW Title

Um his team did just lose to a team with a payroll more than $100 million lower than his so the competitive balance theory doesn't hold water anymore. Plus this is GREAT what is going to happen because when George gets more involved is when the Yankees make their worst moves, i.e. the 1980s. If Derek Jeter came up in the 80s he would have been traded for Ken Phelps.

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I won't bother with different posts for each so here are the recaps to the four mathces mentioned. Hart/Shamrock is recapped by G.P. Ryan and the rest are by CRZ: Ken Shamrock vs. WWF champion Bret Hart Really not too much to describe here, to be honest. It's standard action, decently enough done, though. --break-- Bret goes for the ringpost figure-four, but Shamrock uses his legs to leverage Bret into the post. Shamrock goes outside and whips Bret into the steps. Bret brings a chair surreptitiously into the ring, but Shamrock steps on it and goes on the offense with a rana. Bret rakes his face, but the Russian legsweep is countered with a belly-to-belly for 2. Bret reverses a corner whip and clotheslines him, then goes for the Sharpshooter, but Shamrock reverses into the Achilles Tendon Hold. Bret taps out, but the ref had taken a bump. Bret adjusts Shamrock's vertebrae with the chair and has just applied the Sharpshooter when Michaels storms the ring and superkicks him, then pummels him. Shamrock pummels HBK and gives him a belly-to-belly and more punches. WINNER: no contest, at 12:15 (approximate) *1/2 -- *3/4 KANE v. GANGREL (with Christian) - we learn that Kane has been named one of the Sweet Sixteen. Gangrel tries to attack before the bell but Kane takes it to him instead. Punch, punch, punch. Choke. Yeah, Kane's doing all this. Whip into the ropes, big boot. Christian pulls the top rope and drags Kane out, who lands on his feet. Before anything happens between THOSE two, Gangrel leaps from the apron onto Kane with an axehandle. Kane slams him after feeling no effects. Gangrel meets the barricade. Kane throws Gangrel back in and gives him a throat chop. Gangrel ducks the clothesline, pokes his eye, and fails to belly-to-belly suplex him. Kane with a double throat slam. To the corner we go, head meets buckle. Throat chop. Whip into the opposite corner - sidewalk slam (Ross suffers from Schiavone's disease and fails to call it). Christian tries to prevent Kane from climbing the ropes and gets kicked away. Gangrel climbs the ropes but Kane shoves him off, there's the top rope flying clothesline! Chokeslam attempt - GREAT facial expressions by Gangrel. 1, 2, 3. (3:03) - Christian with an elbow from the top rope but Kane doesn't feel it. The doubleteam is on, and fails. Both men kicked away. Now EDGE is in - he clips Kane (huh?) and the TRIPLE team is on. Kaientai style beating ensues (Kane lying on his back, quick rapidfire elbowdrops). Kane does the zombie situp and they scatter, leaving together, out through the crowd. Weirdness to note: fans (or Memorex?) *cheer* Kane; and Edge suddenly seems to be getting along with his brother and Gangrel. Maybe he's come home? WWF INTERCONTINENTAL CHAMPIONSHIP: ROB VAN DAM v. KING EDGE (with Rob Zombie CD cover) - HOLD THE PHONE! Why is Rob van Dam competing for a WWF title? Isn't Vince trying to get the hardcore title OFF van Dam? But now van Dam gets to go for ANOTHER piece of WWF hardware? That DOES NOT MAKE SENSE. We can only assume Edge will go over somehow, since they didn't pursue the more logical match story of Edge/van Dam for the hardcore championship - if Edge gets a fall in THAT scenario, the hardcore title changes hands and you'd think they probably want to keep the belts where they are. OR, and this could be even more likely, they need a run-in and DQ in here and a hardcore match wouldn't get that accomplished - in which case I stand by my original "plot in hole is symptomatic of weak thinking writer" bitching. Hey, I guess I could STOP bitching and "get to the damn match, already," though, couldn't I? Right, HERE WE GO: Lockup, van Dam side headlock...powered out, shoulderblock by van Dam (1). van Dam off the ropes, backflip over Edge as he drops down - van Dam with a gutshot, Edge into the ropes, van Dam hits the splits - so Edge dropkicks him in the head (ha!). van Dam into the ropes, Edge flapjacks him. Stomp. Elbow, into the opposite corner is reversed, van Dam somersaults into a monkey flip attempt, but Edge lands on his feet...van Dam ducks a clothesline, catches the kick, steps over and hits a standing spinning heel kick right on the button. Edge rolls out to the apron and pulls himself up. van Dam runs the ropes and puts him onto the floor with...not a roaring elbow - more of a whispering elbow. van Dam onto the apron - FROG SPLASH! Referee "Blind" Tim White is out to remind them that he actually counts people out (see Heat). Everybody back in - kick by van Dam - whip into the opposite corner is reversed, but van Dam gets the elbow up. van Dam to the second rope...spinning heel kick, but he kinda hits him with his BUTT instead - whichever, it takes Edge off his feet for 2. van Dam in control - gutshot, elbow, elbow, Edge switches back, elbow, elbow, elbow - van Dam manages an atomic drop - a clothesline, a backflip press and he gets 2 again. Stomp. Elbow. Kick, right, right, elbow, (they're calling spots!) into the opposite corner, boot up by Edge - everybody staggers - Edge ducks a clothesline and hits a ...I dunno, let's call it a 3/4 nelson bulldog with Edge sitting out - yeah, that's good and confusing - leaving both men down. The count is on - both men up before 5. Into the ropes by Edge, big back body drop - clothesline by Edge - Viscera kick - into the ropes is reversed, van Dam with a standing heel kick. Stomp. Split-legged moonsault - but Edge gets the knees up! Heyman just suggested that if the Alliance won at Survivor Series, maybe they'd "look for Schiavone or something." Looks like the WWF's gonna win! Edge with a rollup for 2, van Dam rolls back for 2, Edge shoves him out - but runs into a superkick. van Dam off the ropes - Rolling Thunder hits but van Dam is slow to cover - 1, 2, Edge scissors the arm and cradles - 1, 2, NO! van Dam misses a clothesline - Edge hits Edge-o-matic - but only for 2! Edge with a stomp. Pulls him up - into the opposite corner, reversed, van Dam starts a tumbling run - so Edge SPEARS him! OH NO VAN DAM PISSED HIS PANTS AGAIN 1, 2, NO!! Edge can't believe it. Edge slowly climbs the corner...van Dam catches him as he hits the second floor and pulls him back with a slam. van Dam up - Fivestar frog splash MISSES! Edge hits the DDT, which you and I knew as the Buzzkiller and Ross knew as the Impaler - but which is NOW known as the Edge-ucution - or to Ross NOW as the Executioner (well, he's getting there) - at any rate, as Tony would say "that's his move!" and guess what - 1, 2, 3 and van Dam actually gets pinned. And THAT'S why it wasn't a HC match. See, put enough theories out there and one of 'em's GOTTA be right! Ain't I smark - I mean smart? (5:28) SHANO v. BILLIONAIRE VINCE in a Street Fight - Maybe Earl Hebner will turn.....nah, too easy. Shane doesn't want to let Vince get in the ring, trying to kick through the ropes. Hebner tries to hold Shane back but isn't having much luck. Shane finally tries the baseball slide out but Vince is waiting - right, (bell rings) right, right, and Shane trips on the ramp. Vince mounts and punches. I DARE Jim Ross to call this "bowling show ugly." Vince throttles his son. More rights. Vince grabs a "KEEP OFF" sign off the barricade - and whacks Shane in the back. Field goal kick. WHACK in the head. Vince throws Shane into the STEEL steps. Running kick. Shane has made sure to wear a well-tucked-in shirt underneath his jersey lest we catch sight of his abs - and I'm not sure how we would underneath the layers of ("hey, that's a low blow - you ain't YOUR ideal weight, neither.") Yeah, but I hide behind a computer to look thin. Hey, lookit the BUBBLE GUN in the crowd! Awesome! Camera quick shift shots to avoid seeing it. Shane rammed into the post. Another field goal kick. Shane finally fires back - no luck. Double sledge by Vince - and another one. Vince grabs the cable and chokes away. Vince back to another cable choke. Vince tosses Shane into the ring (THEY'RE GOING IN THE RING?!?) and looks for plundah (oh) underneath - garbage can, lid, can, lid, can, kendo stick, lid, can - back in for another field goal. Vince gets bleeped as he raises a can - but Shane lands an uppernut before he can use it. Shane takes a garbage can lid to Vince's back - WHACK - WHACK WHACK WHACK WHACK WHACK. "You wanna play with me? You wanna play?" Snap elbowdrop, elbowdrop, elbowdrop. Shane rolls him over and rabbit punches him (four). Shane with a can - can in the chest. Shane places the can on Vince's chest...and starts his climb to the top....ohh no SHOOTING STAR PRESS but it MISSES and Shane squashes the garbage can instead! You bet that gets an Xbox Replay (two angles). Vince attempts to capitalize - double sledge. Vince grabs a can...no, puts it down. He's got the Singapore cane - stick in the back! Stick in the belly! STICK! STICK! STICK! Vince waits for Shane to get up...and clotheslines him out of the ring. Shane out of the ring - Vince down the stairs. Vince to the commentary table - top is gone. Crowd chants "table" as Vince rearranges the furniture. Monitors and fans away - Vince turns back to catch a garbage can lid from Shane RIGHT in the face! WHACK again! And one in the back. MONITOR to the head! Vince is dead on the table - and Shane is looking behind him at the turnbuckles one more time. Back in the ring - vault to the top - Savage elbow from the far turnbuckle to the table, allegedly landing somewhere near Vince as well! They're both out. Xbox replay, each angle more charitable than the last. I wonder when somebody jumps to the Alliance...no, wait. Shane pulls Vince up, carries him on his back, rolled into the ring - I guess falls don't count anywhere in this match. Cover - 1, 2, VINCE GETS THE SHOULDER UP!! Crowd goes silent, wondering when the run-in will happen. Kick by Shane, kick, kick. Shane with a right, right. Shane with the can - can to the back of the head. Shane puts the can between the ropes - and Vince's head rests between the corner and the can. "Dad, hold this can up for me, would ya?" The camera no longer looks at Vince as Shane climbs to the top - another van Terminator? Well, he TRIES it - but Vince manages to put the can into Shane's knees in mid-dropkick! So it was OKAY that he was holding it - ohhhh here's T&T to keep Vince from covering - and now here's the FUN BROTHERS - no turns yet - Test dumped over the top by Kane - he follows - DOUBLE BIG BOOT and they're both out. Back in the ring, Booker T takes the Last Ride (and a heroic effort on T's part to stay in position instead of Testing it up) but COMMISSIONER REGAL lands an uppernut on Taker. UNION JACK!! Regal stomps until ROCK comes out - right, right, right, right, ROCK BOTTOM!! Stomping away - STONE COLD STEVE AUSTIN KICK WHAM STUNNER ON THE ROCK! KURT ANGLE is next in our rumble - he's got a chair and Austin begs off - CHRIS MONDAY JERICHO right behind Angle NOOOOO ANGLE JUST CHAIRED JERICHO WAS IT INTENTIONAL OR AN ACCIDENT OHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH ANGLE JUST CHAIRED ROCK IT WAS NOT AN ACCIDENT NO NO NO ANGLE CHAIRS TAKER ANGLE CHAIRS KANE NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO Austin picks up Vince - KICK WHAM STUNNER (kinda) and Shane's put on top - OHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH - 1, 2, 3 WHYYYYYYYYYYY(11:11)YYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY Shane, Austin and Angle are the last men standing...Houston, we have a problem.

November 1, 1993 Razor Ramon def. Bastion Booger Mr. Perfect def. The Executioner The Smoking Gunns def. Well Dunn Adam Bomb def. Virgil October 31, 1994 Lex Luger def. Bob Backlund by DQ The 1-2-3 Kid def. Tony DeVito King Kong Bundy def. Bert Ceteno Jim Neidhart def. Tony Roy October 30, 1995 Goldust def. Savio Vega Marty Jannetty def. Joe Dorgan The Smoking Gunns def. Phil Apollo & John Rashner Razor Ramon def. Owen Hart by DQ; IC Title Match October 28, 1996 Jesse James def. Salvatore Sincere Crush def. Aldo Montoya Billy Gunn def. Freddie Joe Floyd Shawn Michaels def. The British Bulldog by DQ October 27, 1997 Hunter Hearst Helmsley def. Goldust Ahmed Johnson def. Owen Hart by DQ; IC Title Match Bret Hart NC Ken Shamrock; WWF Title Match Jesse James & Billy Gunn def. The New Blackjacks Marc Mero def. Flash Funk The Legion of Doom def. Savio Vega & Miguel Perez Jr. October 26, 1998 X-Pac def. Steve Blackman by DQ; Euro Title Match The Rock def. Droz Kane def. Gangrel The Godfather NC Tiger Ali Singh Kaientai def. Kurrgan, Golga, & The Insane Clown Posse by DQ Marc Mero def. Goldust by DQ The New Age Outlaws def. Mankind & Al Snow; Tag Title Match Steve Austin def. Ken Shamrock in a I Quit Match November 1, 1999 The Rock NC Road Dogg The Hardy Boyz, Edge, & Christian def. The Hollys & Too Cool Mankind & Al Snow def. The Big Bossman & Prince Albert in a hardcore match Chyna def. Stevie Richards Steve Austin def. Mr. Ass by DQ Val Venis def. Test by DQ Kane def. X-Pac by DQ The Headbangers def. The Dudley Boyz Triple H def. Shane McMahon; WWF Title Match October 30, 2000 Eddie Guerrero def. Chyna; IC Title Match Bull Buchanan, The Godfather, & Ivory def. The Hardy Boyz & Lita Test def. Crash in a hardcore match Steve Austin def. Rikishi in a Cage Match Steven Richards def. Mr. Ass Kurt Angle def. Triple H by DQ The Rock def. Chris Jericho October 29, 2001 Edge def. Rob Van Dam; IC Title Match The Hurricane & Mighty Molly def. Tajiri & Torrie Wilson The Rock & Chris Jericho def. Booker T & Test; Tag Title Match Lita def. Stacy Keibler Kurt Angle def. William Regal; U.S. Title Match The Dudley Boyz def. The Undertaker & Kane; WCW Tag Title Match Shane McMahon def. Vince McMahon in a Street Fight October 28, 2002 Lance Storm & William Regal def. Rob Van Dam & Tommy Dreamer Test def. Goldust Chris Jericho & Christian def. Bubba Ray Dudley & Jeff Hardy; Tag Title Match Christopher Nowinski def. Booker T by DQ Trish Stratus def. Jacqueline and Molly Holly (pinned) in a Triple Threat Match for the Women’s Title Kane def. Triple H in a Casket Match

I really want to see these matches. The '96 and '97 matches are recapped (poorly) by John Petrie and the '98 and '99 matches are recapped by CRZ: LORD STEVEN REGAL vs. JUVENTUD GUERRERA Regal is really too large to work with the cruiserweights. His physical size seemed to make it hard for the two to work together all that effectively. Early in the match they show a shot of Sting sitting high up in the arena. With his whita and black facepaint, he looks a whole lot like the Crow. Also a group of NWO fans march through the arena carrying signs (nothing new there) ans Syxx puts in an appearance as well. Probably the highlight of this match was Regal attempting a powerbomb, but Guerrera reversing it into a flip, which Regal executed 100% on his own a split second too late (it looked like Guerrera fell off, then Regal flipping in place for no reason.) Guerrera then tried what they used to call the "Dis that don't Miss," but missed. (A 450 degree forward flip into a splash off the top.) Regal then applied the "Regal Stretch" (sort of an STF kinda deal) for the submission win. EDDY GUERRERO vs. CHRIS BENOIT (w/ Woman) Both guys are pretty well banged up, so I didn't expect much of a match. Then they cut to a commercial break, which made things look even worse. Fortunately they didn't start until after the break. Unfortunately it didn't matter all that much as very little happened in this one. Eric Bischoff announces that Hulk Hogan has demended some time and that we will see him later in the show responding to his confrontation with Piper. Then Mongo and Debra McMichael come to ringside to keep an eye on things. They also play pretaped comments from Jimmy Hart and Kevin Sullivan. Buried somewhere amongst all this is a brief mention that Randy Savage won't be on the show as had been advertised. Finish goes down as such: Woman distracts Nick Patrick. Mongo knocks out Guerrero with the briefcase. Benoit gets the pin. REY MYSTERIO, JR. vs. DEAN MALENKO Raven and his flock (Stevie Richards, Perry Saturn, Billy Kidman and Sick Boy-the Power Plant scrub) are shown taking their seats at ringside. Raven will apparently wrestle later in the show. Good match with an even better finish. Malenko really has Rey's number, nailing him with a gutbuster off the turnbuckles. (Malenko has him up on his shoulders, throws him up in the air and catches him across his knee: all this off the second turnbuckle). Rey then recovers enough to try a huracanrana off the ropes, but Malenko reverses it into a powerbomb. Dean then wraps him up, intent on applying the Texas Cloverleaf. He grabs the legs and starts his turn when Rey shifts his weight and tucks Dean into a small package for the pin. EDDIE GUERRERO vs. CHRIS JERICHO I figured Jericho would be in a rematch tonight with Gedo. Apparently WCW flew Gedo all the way in from Japan just to job him to Jericho. They show a move from their match in which Jericho nearly breaks his neck coming off the top with Gedo. Eddie wins in a match which was good, but pretty much forgettable about five minutes after it was over. The finish saw Jericho suplex Eddie out of the ring. Eddie landed on his feet, ran up the corner and nailed Jericho with the Frog Splash. FIT FINLEY vs. CHRIS BENOIT I thought it used to be "Finlay"? Finley is also known as the Belfast Bruiser. WCW throws a small bone to the Benoit marks, giving him the win with a headbutt off the top. (perry) SATURN v. LWO EDDIE GUERRERO - if Eddie were really all into the raza thing, he'd get WCW to spell his first name "Eddy." Okay, I'll say it. That vest of Saturn's is REALLY - well, in pig Latin, they would say "aygay." You realise it's been about 24 minutes since we've had some wrestling? Lockup, into a waistlock by Saturn. Eddie counters with an arm wringer and Saturn hits the mat. Armbar continues. Saturn with a belly-to-belly suplex to break that hold. "Eddie sucks" chant, much to Eddie's dismay. Lockup, headlock, they run the ropes and Saturn hits a shoulderblock. Guerrero complains of a hair pull. Nice dropkcick to the knees by Eddie. Big-time stomping on the knees, Eddie goes outside and hits his trademark flying somersault headbutt on the knee (I have missed that move). Guerrero back to the outside, where he pulls the knee against the bottom rope and jumps to the floor. Back in, forearm smash. Chop (woooo!) Right hand. Whip into the ropes, belly-to-belly suplex by Saturn. Again Eddie dropkicks the knee after Saturn stops to gingerly move. Whip, reverse, but as Saturn holds onto Eddie high up for the military press, Eddie holds on and there's an armdrag. Tilt-a-whirl backbreaker by Eddie for 2. Whip, reverse, flapjack by Saturn for 2. Whip into the corner but Eddie puts up an elbow to stop Saturn. Tornado DDT attempt is reversed into a slam with a bridge by Saturn for 2. Vertical suplex attempt is reversed into a - I don't know, let's say reverse victory roll for 2. Dueling attempts ends with Saturn hitting a T-bone Tazplex for 2. Someone told me that this wasn't a Michinoku Driver, it was a Falcon Arrow, so let me call that right. Falcon Arrow. Saturn motions for the Spicolli Driver but DAMIEN and HECTOR GARZA are in to cause the DQ - hmm, is THAT was the LWO is about? Imitating the NWO? Guerrero tells Saturn he can kiss it as Garza and Damien hold him. Eddie comes off the ropes, Saturn ducks and back body drops Guerrero over the top rope to the floor. Saturn has no problems with Garza and Damien because they're jobbers. Those are some nice overhead suplexes, though. Here's EL DANDY, here's PSYCHOSIS, no problem. LA PARKA is out. Here's another guy we don't recognise - DIABLO MIO! ESTA ES CARLOS SANTANA! Well, maybe not. But whoever it is hits a nice brainbuster, followed up by Eddie's frog splash. If I didn't know better (and I don't), I'd say it was a Guerrero relative I haven't met yet. NEVER SURRENDER JUVENTUD GUERRERA v. KIDMAN for the World Cruiserweight Championship - what seems fair to you, that Disco Inferno has to beat Juventud Guerrera in order to get a title shot ON THE SAME NIGHT, or that Juventud Guerrera has to get beaten by Disco Inferno in order to get a title shot THE NEXT DAY? This is match #1824723 in that exciting series between these two folks. Staredown and Juvi pushes him, which amuses Kidman. Lockup, gobehind by Juvi, reverse, reverse, reverse, reverse, I guess you had to be there. Kidman , no reverse, leapfrog, over we go, reverse, reverse, Guerrera with a flying head scissors. Finally some action! Kidman tries to dump him over the rope but Juvi gives him ten heads to the turnbuckle while standing on the apron. Juvi on the top rope - Kidman hits him in the thigh and climbs to the top. But no superplex - Juventud pushes him off. Top rope flying head scissors for 2! Chop (woooo!) Vertical suplex for 2. To the rear chinlock, whew. Kidman hasn't hit anything yet. Whip, reverse, Juvi goes up and catches him in a rollup for 2. Kidman FINALLY hits a move - belly-to-back into a slam. Dueling hiptosses - Juventud with a Rocker dropper. 1, 2, no. Whip, reverse, flying head scissors - no Kidman stops him and throws him over his head powerbomb style. 1, 2, no. Heenan gives a shout out to Mark Curtis. Again Kidman tries the same move, but Juventud turns it into a bulldog for 2. Juventud climbs to the top, Kidman is up - plancha for 2. Juventud climbs the ropes again, but this time Kidman puts up a dropkick on Guerrera's way down. And now Kidman is going to fly - no, Guerrera crotches him on the turnbuckle. Top rope huracanrana - 1, 2, no! Powerbomb attempt countered by Kidman into a Tigerbomb (or is it a Ligerbomb? I forgot. Kidman to the top - SHOOTING STAR PRESS! 1, 2, 3 (5:55) Good for him. CHRIS BENOIT v. DEAN MALENKO (no entrance) within the confines of the STEEL cage in a first round tourney match (Group 3) - UK readers, be sure to check out Nitro on TNT and Worldwide on Channel 5 for news of appearance by Hall & Nash! Feel free to KEEP them, too! Malenko attacks Benoit as he enters the cage and stays on him even before the cage can be locked. Third man is Nick Patrick. Malenko still on top of things. Into the ropes, Benoit off with a kick. Powerbomb is amplified by the fact that at the apex, Malenko's head runs into the cage wall. 1, 2, no. Benoit with the knife-edge chop, and again. Eyepoke from Malenko. Malenko tries to climb the wall, but Benoit crotches him on the top rope - dropkick to Malenko. Right takes him to the mat. Knife-edge chop. Right. Malenko begs off but Benoit kicks and stomps away. Into the ropes, 5.5 2.7 Malenko holds on and the dropkick finds nothing. Malenko catapults Benoit into the cage. Malenko to the head - off the ropes, run into the cage, another battering ram. Piledriver attempt is countered into a piledriver from abenoit. Patrick puts on the count - at 3, Benoit is up. Will he do another headbutt from the top of the cage? Malenko is up -and on the top turnbuckle as Benoit is on the cage - SUPERPLEX! PERRY SATURN is up now - scaling the cage - he's got a chain for Malenko but Benoit pushes Malenko into the cage wall, taking Saturn down and securing the chain for himself! Off the ropes, chained fist! Benoit to the top of the cage - HERE IT IS!! FLYING HEADBUTT!!! 1, 2, 3! (4:29) But it isn't over - Saturn from the top with an elbowdrop (missed by the camerman - ugh) - SHANE DOUGLAS and ASYA are out. Whip into the cast of Douglass. Asya got him by the hair for a high knee from Douglas. Chokehold by Asya. Douglas and Saturn handcuff Benoit to the cage and top rope - Malenk joining the beatdown now - Patrick shoved aside. Now RAYMOND STEREO is out. Here's the rest of the FILTHY ANIMALS. Asya manages to level Mysterio - Saturn takes the rest of them down. The tide is turned, but before Rey can hit a broncobuster on Asya, here's DAVID SAMMARTINO - ERR, FLAIR with the crowbar on Mysterio. There's a shot for Guerrero. Big-time shots for Kidman now. He's got the rage in his eyes. Will he take out Benoit? No, he picks up the key and frees Benoit. Meanwhile, we look back at the aisle where Konnan's escaped - but (THIS IS) STING strikes from behind and reclaims his bat. Hmmm...

These Sound pretty good. It seems in late '98 absolutely no one was doing Thunder recaps so here's only the recap to the 2000 match by E.C. Ostermeyer: Three Count d. Jung Dragons (w/ Leia Meow), (Double-team "The Move" finisher by Helms & Moore on Jamie San/Karagias pin, 5:37) Footage narrated by Mike Tenay shows how Ms. Meow brought her own brand of "discipline" to the Jung Dragons. Poor Jamie San seems to bear the brunt of her "special attention." The match starts as a Pier Six brawl, with all six wrestlers careening around the ring. First out of the ring is Evan Karagias and Shannon Moore. Yang & Kaz Hayashi make sure they stay there with a double moonsault off the ring apron. In the ring, Jamie San and Helms are putting on a high-speed match of their own, that ends with a kneelift to Helms' gut, followed by Jamie San putting the boot in. Leia Meow's screeching at Jamie San to help his teammates at ringside, who are pinioning Karagias and Moore. Jamie San obliges with a leaping pescado from the top rope to the floor. Unfortunately, Karagias and Moore duck away, and he nails the pescado on his two teammates. Moore drags Yang out of the wreckage and tosses him back in the ring for Helms to play with. Helms does a quick cross-ring whip, then sets, and nails Yang with a reverse neckbreaker. Tag to Moore. Helms suplexes Yang, as Moore vaults the top rope and lands a senton across Yang's lower body. Boot to Yang's gut, followed by a cross-ring whip, but Yang reverses, hitting Moore with a stiff clothesline in the process. Yang tags Jamie San, who pummels Moore with four quick rights, and a scoopslam. Springboard senton leap from the middle rope misses, as Moore rolls out of the way. Standing clothesline attempt by Moore gets ducked by Jamie San, who follows up by punching Moore into the Wrong Part of Town, and tags Kaz Hayashi in the process. Hayashi enters the ring, as Jamie San sets the whip, but Moore reverses, then leap-frogs the rebounding Jamie San, who runs full-tilt into Kaz Hayashi, flattening him. Hayashi bounces back up, and gets a finger into Jamie San's face, only to get Moore's forearm right in the mouth. As Jamie San and the referee argue about who should be in the ring, Kaz whips Moore across the ring. Moore ducks the clothesline, rebounds off the far ropes and then hits what can only be described as a twin-axis 720 hurancanrana, going pole-to-pole, then around the equator of Kaz Hayashi, finally hooking Kaz to the mat. This, of course, dumbfounds the announce team, and we get a lot of blather about what that last move was called. Moore drags Kaz to his feet and tags in Karagias. Scoopslam by Moore, who then sets Kaz up for the "make-a-wish" move. Karagias, however, wants to do something less team-oriented, and waves Moore to the corner. Helms is pantomiming a "what the -?" move quite well. Karagias pummels Kaz in the near corner, then whips him across the ring, and sends Kaz face-first to the mat with a drop toe-hold. Karagias then walks up Kaz's back, and does some "moves for the ladies." Kaz leaps up, spins Karagias around, and chops him twice viciously across the throat. A cross-ring whip by Kaz gets reversed. Karagias sets for the back body drop, but Kaz holds onto the ring ropes, and kicks Karagias right on the chin. Roll-up into a small package, cover by Kaz, 1,2, Karagias kicks out. Evan's the first to his feet, and he clotheslines Kaz, then stomps him a couple of times for good measure. Cross-ring whip by Karagias into a scoopslam, but Evan decides to do some poses for the ladies, despite the hollers of his teammates to pin the guy already! A blatant choke by Karagias gets warned off by the referee. Moore and Helms, are hollering for a tag, but Karagias isn't finished just yet. Elbow drop from karagias, followed by a cross-ring whip. Kaz reverses, then sets up a wheelbarrow slam, only to have Karagias reverse it into a facebuster. More posing, and the freakin' ANNOUNCERS are hollering at Karagias to just PIN THE GUY ALREADY! Karagias goes over to Helms and Moore, asking them to just be patient. Helms won't be, and tags in with a slap to Karagias' shoulder and a Look. Helms starts stomping away on Kaz, as the referee's having trouble getting Karagias out of the ring. Helms with his OWN choke hold which the referee puts a stop to. Back body drop by Helms, but Kaz rolls through, and tries for a spinning heel kick. Helms ducks the kick, takes a swipe at Kaz, who ducks scoots back to his corner, and tags in Yang. Helms swings a roundhouse right at Yang's head. Yang ducks puts three stiff punches into Helms' gut, then nails him with a chokeslam. Moore jumps in to save Helms, only to get a blizzard of punches in bunches from Yang right in the breadbasket. Karagias leaps in, to face Yang in windmill-mode. Yang stops the windmill, and does a great Three Stooges eye-poke. Yang then poses in "crane" style.jamie San enters and corrals helms in the near corner, while Yang works over Shannon Moore across the ring. Helms shoves Jamie San off, but he leaps back in, and just avoids getting squashed by a Yang backflip. Jamie tries fo r a running clothesline on helms, but Helms ducks again, and Jamie San nails Yang with the clothesline. Moore goes over and stomps on Jamie San. Leia Meow, at ringside is screeching right in Jamie San's ear-hole, as Kaz Hayashi is tossed over the top rope by a Helms back body drop. Helms vaults over the top rope and hits Kaz with a sloppy-looking pescado. Cross-ring whip by Moore on Jamie San, but he holds on, and knee-lifts Jamie San right in the gut, doubling him over, then nailing jamie San face-first to the mat with his signature back of the neck legdrop. Helms and Moore spike Jamie San with "The Move", a double-team combination Samoan drop/neckbreaker. Karagias wades in, covers Jamie San, and gets the pin before Helms and Moore can do anything about it. This prompts a hot argument between the members of Three Count, which ends with Karagias getting "The Move" put on him as well. Three count (Two Count? Aw, heck...) heads back up the ramp, pleased withthemselves.. Whoops, looks like we've got trouble in both camps, as Leia Meow's in the ring, just tearing Jamie San a new one. Jamie San gets to his knees, only to get paintbrushed by Leia Meow. Oops, wrong move, darlin', as Jamie San's had enough abuse. Leia, incensed, makes to pull Jamie San's mask off. Jamie San roughly knocks her hand away, and gets clotheslined from behind by Yang. Kaz, who's been stomping on Evan Karagias all this time, then delivers a smashing kick to the side of Jamie San's head. Leia Meow then rips the mask off Jamie San's face to reveal... ...Jaime Howard, a wrestler familiar to you fans of the old "WCW Saturday Night" show. The Announcers are stunned that Jaime Howard, a Caucasian, should be part of an all-Asian team like the Jung Dragons.

I'm sorry but...FUCK THE RATINGS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Hey I didn't watch one single second (or the rest of the playoffs for that matter as I tuned out after the A's were gone) but fuck this noise. Who the fuck cares about the ratings outside of Fox execs and their advertisers? Its caring about the ratings so much is why Fox's coverage sucks so much because they try waaaaaaaay too hard to appeal the marginal fan and its why we get shit like the All-Star game deciding homefield. No real fan should care at all about the ratings.

This is the first time I've heard of a game being moved because of this. Only other time I remember a game being moved was in '89 due to the earthquake so the 49ers moved their game that week from Candlestick to Stanford Stadium.

I marked out when they talked about...well my sig.

I think this counts in the loser thread.