Bored

As long as they ONLY say "Chicago Bears presented by BankOne" at Soldier Field then it won't be a big deal but if this does start a new trend I nominate the Bears for contraction or move them to Europe.

N.L. voting update...1st base in incredibly close right now and as I've never seen a race this close this late in the voting. Braves fans definently stuffed the ballot boxes this week as Braves players took the lead at three positions. Sammy Sosa still is in 2nd but he's gone from a 180,000+ vote lead over 4th place two weeks ago before the cork bat incident to a less than 80,000 vote lead over 4th. He'll definently be 3rd by next week (the last update) but still doubtful that Pujols can overtake him. First Base Player Team Total Votes Helton, T. Rockies 379,713 Bagwell, J. Astros 379,499 Thome, J. Phillies 294,904 Martinez, T. Cardinals 231,721 Choi, H. Cubs 194,238 Second Base Player Team Total Votes Giles, M. Braves 418,742 Kent, J. Astros 384,329 Boone, A. Reds 259,483 Alomar, R. Mets 242,721 Vidro, J. Expos 223,936 Third Base Player Team Total Votes Rolen, S. Cardinals 713,710 Castilla, V. Braves 306,233 Lowell, M. Marlins 300,047 Hillenbrand, S. Diamondbacks 233,563 Alfonzo, E. Giants 163,847 Shortstop Player Team Total Votes Furcal, R. Braves 526,630 Renteria, E. Cardinals 483,765 Aurilia, R. Giants 235,480 Gonzalez, A. Cubs 202,050 Rollins, J. Phillies 178,228 Catcher Player Team Total Votes Lopez, J. Braves 410,630 Rodriguez, I. Marlins 395,927 Piazza, M. Mets 282,226 Santiago, B. Giants 266,350 Matheny, M. Cardinals 187,814 Outfield Player Team Total Votes Bonds, B. Giants 744,095 Sosa, S. Cubs 565,590 Sheffield, G. Braves 565,177 Pujols, A. Cardinals 486,197 Jones, A. Braves 460,253 Guerrero, V. Expos 356,677 Jones, C. Braves 346,698 Edmonds, J. Cardinals 342,295 Griffey Jr., K. Reds 242,376 Dunn, A. Reds 199,447 Kearns, A. Reds 184,260 Cruz Jr., J. Giants 165,104 Alou, M. Cubs 159,378 Green, S. Dodgers 152,802 Patterson, C. Cubs 147,821 Oh and I have a massive headache tonight and am in the process of moving and don't feel like bothering to make N.L. picks so someone else can do it if they want.

Are there actually people who give a shit if this kills the guy's career? Fine by me. Just another not so talented, big man who lived out his usefulness long ago. They've gotten everything they can out of the Kane character and it's time to move on. Of course in their minds I'm sure they think this will relaunch his career. Also no one should have been dissapointed by what they saw because you know there was no way they would or even could pay it off right as it was just a dumb ratings ploy from the start. If Kane is jobbing on Heat two months from now then it was all worth it in my view.

Beltran has really come on strong after a poor start and I did give some consideration this week but if you look at the two non-one team reps in the outfield I have right now, Garret Anderson and Vernon Wells, I just can't see Beltran being chosen over either one right now but who knows what will happen the next two weeks.

I want him to as well and I did list him last week. But I see him getting snubbed at this point as Torii Hunter will take away a spot as he will be voted a starter and Dmitri Young is a lock to be the Tigers rep and that takes away another spot.

Hmmm its looking doubtful the mock draft will get off the ground here and I'm moving this week so if it starts and I'm not around when my pick comes up (#11 and #40) somebody can just choose for me.

You know I don't think how bad a team should matter if a player makes the team or not and actually I had normally had 4 Rangers before this week but Carl Everett dropped of my list for the first time. I have to say though I've given some consideration the last two weeks to bumping Urbina but I think that relievers have a better chance of making the team this year due to the new World Series homefield rule and I think the managers would rather have a reliever out there in the 6th or 7th than a starter. Also when I looked at the other A.L. relievers no one jumped out at me enough to bump Urbina as its a pretty weak year for closers in the A.L where in the N.L. there are a ton that deserve consideration.

A.L. picks for this week...vote leaders in CAPS, players not list last week have an asterisk next to their name. Roy Halladay makes my list for the first time this week even though I still think his ERA is a bit too high (although he's almost under my 3.50 ceiling I typically use) but I try to be semi realistic with my picks as well and with all the publicity he's getting with his 11 straight wins he's almost a complete lock to make the team right now. C: JORGE POSADA, New York; A.J. Pierzynski, Minnesota 1B: CARLOS DELGADO, Toronto; Mike Sweeney, Kansas City 2B: ALFONSO SORIANO, New York; Bret Boone, Seattle 3B: TROY GLAUS, Anaheim; Hank Blalock, Texas SS: ALEX RODRIGUEZ, Texas; Nomar Garciaparra, Boston OF: ICHIRO SUZUKI, Seattle; MANNY RAMIREZ, Boston; TORII HUNTER, Minnesota; Melvin Mora, Baltimore; Garret Anderson, Anaheim; Vernon Wells*, Toronto; Milton Bradley*, Cleveland; Aubrey Huff, Tampa Bay; Dmitri Young, Detroit DH: EDGAR MARTINEZ, Seattle Pitchers: Esteban Loaiza, Chicago; Gil Meche, Seattle; Jamie Moyer, Seattle; Mike Mussina, New York; Mark Mulder, Oakland; David Wells, New York; Barry Zito, Oakland; Roy Halladay*, Toronto; Keith Foulke, Oakland; Eddie Guardado, Minnesota; Ugueth Urbina, Texas; Brendan Donnelly, Anaheim

A.L. voting update and everything is looking set in stone with only 3rd base leader Troy Glaus having a less than 100,000 vote lead and his lead has inscreased slightly pretty much every week. First Base Player Team Total Votes Delgado, C. Blue Jays 589,638 Giambi, Ja. Yankees 419,506 Palmeiro, R. Rangers 288,910 Olerud, J. Mariners 208,157 Sweeney, M. Royals 206,130 Second Base Player Team Total Votes Soriano, A. Yankees 881,865 Boone, B. Mariners 546,657 Walker, T. Red Sox 161,191 Kennedy, A. Angels 143,310 Rivas, L. Twins 94,876 Third Base Player Team Total Votes Glaus, T. Angels 408,739 Chavez, E. Athletics 314,081 Ventura, R. Yankees 288,559 Blalock, H. Rangers 278,204 Koskie, C. Twins 155,191 Shortstop Player Team Total Votes Rodriguez, A. Rangers 697,651 Garciaparra, N. Red Sox 499,798 Jeter, D. Yankees 301,597 Tejada, M. Athletics 144,026 Eckstein, D. Angels 132,020 Catcher Player Team Total Votes Posada, J. Yankees 703,946 Pierzynski, A.J. Twins 257,620 Varitek, J. Red Sox 256,715 Alomar, S. White Sox 196,929 Wilson, D. Mariners 170,361 Designated Hitter Player Team Total Votes Martinez, E. Mariners 644,537 Everett, C. Rangers 307,032 Thomas, F. White Sox 175,609 Johnson, N. Yankees 173,473 Giambi, Je. Red Sox 165,696 Outfield Player Team Total Votes Suzuki, I. Mariners 704,346 Ramirez, M. Red Sox 557,239 Hunter, T. Twins 487,987 Gonzalez, J. Rangers 372,850 Williams, B. Yankees 359,761 Anderson, G. Angels 327,336 Matsui, H. Yankees 302,508 Mondesi, R. Yankees 283,175 Wells, V. Blue Jays 236,374 Cameron, M. Mariners 228,212 Baldelli, R. Devil Rays 223,244 Salmon, T. Angels 203,255 Erstad, D. Angels 185,091 Jones, J. Twins 171,758 Damon, J. Red Sox 171,137

June 25, 1998 The Public Enemy def. Raven & Sick Boy Hugh Morrus def. Eddy Guerrero Stevie Ray def. Sumo Fuji Chris Jericho def. Ultimo Dragon by DQ; CW Title Match Jim Duggan def. The Barbarian Chris Benoit & Steve McMichael def. Disco Inferno & Alex Wright Sting & Kevin Nash NC The Giant & Brian Adams; Tag Title Match June 24, 1999 Eddy Guerrero def. Psichosis Chris Benoit & Saturn def. Fit Finlay & Dave Taylor Curt Hennig def. Lenny Lane David Flair def. Evan Karagias Van Hammer def. Hugh Morrus Buff Bagwell & Dean Malenko def. Sid Vicious & Randy Savage June 28, 2000 Lt. Loco def. Cpl. Cajun; CW Title Match Jindrak & O’Haire def. 3 Count Jung Dragons def. Big Vito in a Gauntlet Match Capt. Rection & Maj. Stash def. The Perfect Event Jeff Jarrett def. Horace Lance Storm & Billy Kidman def. Rey Misterio Jr. & Juventud Guerrera Paisley def. Tygress Buff Bagwell def. Kanyon by DQ Mike Awesome def. Scott Steiner

June 28, 1993 Shawn Michaels def. Kamala; IC Title Match The Smoking Gunns def. Iron Mike Sharpe & Barry Horowitz Adam Bomb def. P.J. Walker Crush def. Bastion Booger June 27, 1994 Mabel def. Bam Bam Bigelow by count out I.R.S. def. Rich Myers The Headshrinkers def. The Executioners Kwang def. Mike Moraldo Lex Luger def. Mike Bell June 26, 1995 The Smoking Gunns def. The Black Phantom & Jason Arndt Skip def. Scott Taylor Man Mountain Rock def. Phil Apollo King Mabel def. Kenny Kendall Savio Vega def. Jeff Jarrett by DQ; IC Title Match June 24, 1996 Ahmed Johnson def. Hunter Hearst Helmsley The Bodydonnas def. The Brooklyn Brawler & Jerry Fox The British Bulldog, Owen Hart, & Vader def. Savio Vega, Aldo Montoya, & Barry Horowitz The Undertaker def. Steve Austin by DQ June 23, 1997 Ken Shamrock def. Rockabilly The Legion of Doom def. The Godwinns Sabu NC Flash Funk Mankind def. Davey Boy Smith by DQ; Euro Title Match Owen Hart def. Goldust and Hunter Hearst Helmsley (pinned) in a three-way match for the IC Title; Special Referee, Pat Patterson Brian Christopher def. Scott Taylor Faarooq & D’Lo Brown def. The Undertaker & Vader June 22, 1998 Ken Shamrock def. Mark Henry; KOTR Qualifier X-Pac def. Dustin Runnels Jeff Jarrett def. Marc Mero; KOTR Qualifier Kane def. Road Dogg Edge def Jose Estrada by count out Dan Severn def. Owen Hart The Rock def. Hunter Hearst Helmsley; KOTR Qualifier Mankind def. Billy Gunn June 28, 1999 Ken Shamrock NC Steve Blackman in a Weapons Match Chaz def. Meat Hardcore Holly def. Kane The Rock def. Triple H by DQ Edge def. The Godfather Bradshaw def. Billy Gunn Jeff Jarrett def. X-Pac; IC Title Match Steve Austin def. The Undertaker to win the WWF Title June 26, 2000 Rikishi def. Chris Benoit by DQ; IC Title Match X-Pac def. Chris Jericho Val Venis def. Eddie Guerrero by DQ; Euro Title Match Jerry Lawler def. Dean Malenko in an Over the Top Match The Acolytes win a Tag Team Battle Royal (final elimination, D’Lo Brown & Saturn) The Undertaker & Kane def. Edge & Christian The Rock def. Kurt Angle and Triple H (pinned) in a Triple Threat Match June 25, 2001 Rhyno def. Test to win the Hardcore Title Mike Awesome def. Rhyno to win the Hardcore Title X-Pac def. Jeff Hardy to win the Light Heavyweight Title Tazz def. Steven Richards The Dudley Boyz def. The Undertaker & Kane; Tag Title Match The Big Show def. Matt Hardy by DQ; Euro Title Match Edge def. Billy Gunn Chris Jericho def. Tajiri June 24, 2002 William Regal & Christopher Nowinski def. Bradshaw & Spike Dudley Eddie Guerrero def. Bubba Ray Dudley Tommy Dreamer def. Raven The Undertaker def. Jeff Hardy Trish Stratus & Linda Miles def. Molly Holly & Jackie Gayda The Big Show & X-Pac def. Booker T & Goldust Rob Van Dam def. Brock Lesnar by DQ; IC Title Match

June 22, 2000 T&A, & Trish Stratus def. The Hardy Boyz & Lita Grand Mast Sexay def. Christian The Big Bossman def. Eddie Guerrero by DQ; Euro Title Match Rikishi def. Chris Benoit to win the Intercontinental Title Chris Jericho def. Hardcore Holly Jerry Lawler & The Kat def. Dean Malenko & Terri Road Dogg def. D-Von Dudley Triple H, Vince McMahon, & Shane McMahon def. The Rock, The Undertaker, & Kane June 28, 2001 Edge & Christian def. Billy Gunn & X-Pac Albert def. Kane in a No-DQ Match to win the Intercontinental Title The Dudley Boyz NC The Hardy Boyz in a Tag Team Tables Elimination Match for the Tag Titles Spike Dudley & Molly Holly def. Crash & Jacqueline The Big Show def. Perry Saturn Chris Jericho & Scotty 2 Hotty def. William Regal & Tajiri June 27, 2002 Kurt Angle def. John Cena Billy & Chuck def. Hardcore Holly & The Big Valbowski; Tag Title Match Lance Storm def. Mark Henry Rikishi def. Test by DQ The Hurricane & Billy Kidman def. Jamie Noble & Tajiri Rev. D-Von & Batista def. Faarooq & Randy Orton Hulk Hogan def. Chris Jericho by DQ

I KNOW for a fact that had a match on SD prior to one where Edge returned at the end (Okay, maybe it happened in April) because Trips interfered and cost Jericho the match and the chance of being the UDC again, which added more to their feud that climaxed at Judgment Day last year! Ummm nope. I believe your thinking of a tag match in April that was Jericho/Angle vs. HHH/Hogan and was done to set up the HHH/Hogan title match at Backlash.

I thought that happened in May, when Hogan was still the UDC, because of HHH's interference Nope they didn't wrestle in May. Here's the CRZ recap to the above match: HOLLYWOOD HULK HOGAN (Hollywood, California - 285 pounds - with Subway presents Vengeance!) v. CHRIS JERICHO (Winnipeg, Manitoba - 227 pounds) referee: Chioda Just in case you were worried that they'd have to spend the last fifteen minutes dragging out the "wrestling" portion of this match, they allow Hogan 2:35 for his entrance, while Jericho gets 1:11 for *his* entrance. Granted, it's probably lots of fun to watch Hogan cup his ear if you're in the live crowd, but at this point it doesn't exactly make for compelling television, if you catch my drift. Jericho probably could have gotten some MORE time for his entrance, but he decides to jump Hogan before the bell, and so we go. Forearm in the back, forearm in the back, right, right, right, right, off comes the 'do rag, chop, chop, climbs the scoend rope, right, right, right, chop, into the opposite corner, but Hogan comes out with a clothesline of his own. Clothesline! Right, right, right, into the ropes, big back body drop! Scoop...and a slam. Off the ropes - Hogan tries to drop the elbow but misses. Commentators suggest Hogan is moving gingerly - more than normal, I guess the implication was, har har - the match with Angle is assigned blame. Jericho with a kick, right hand, right, chop, into the ropes, reversed, Hogan shoves Jericho over the top - but he skins the cat back in! Then he runs into a right hand. Oops. Kick by hogan, right, chop, right, chop, right, threatens Chioda for daring to enforce the rules - climbs to the second rope for a Ten Punch Count Along - gets eight before Chioda can force him off - Hogan winds up against Chioda again, and *this* time when he turns his back, Jericho sneaks in an uppernut. Commentators completely fail to mention Chioda's earlier encounter with Test and why it may have affected him in this match...but *why the hell would THEY want to tie anything together for the sake of a storyline?* Ahhh get me some damn commentators in here already okay I'm better now. Jericho kicks - right hand - helps him up so he can deliver the death suplex. "C'mon Baby" gets 2. Hogan grabs Jericho's ankle but Jericho won't let up - right hand, choke on the second rope. Jericho does a Muta-like windup on his way to the Boss Man straddle. Stands on the neck for 4. "Jericho sux!" chant. Jericho cups his ear!! Right hand - is blocked! Right by Hogan! Right hand! Off the ropes - but Jericho hits a gutshot...and DDT! Leg is hooked - 1, 2, NO! Hogan reaches down - but not yet. Right by Jericho to the back of the head, right hand - and into the abdominal stretch! Jericho moves just close enough to grab the top rope - Chioda misses it (ha ha, watch him look right at Jericho until he notices he's about to grab the rope, then lean down). Chioda finall "catches" him and makes him let go - Hogan, fired up, is out with the hiptoss! Right by Jericho, right by Hogan, right, right, right, into the opposite corner, reversed by Jericho, Hogan slips out and Jericho shoulders the post! Hogan is feeling it - right, right, right, into the ropes, Jericho DUCKS the big boot - double leg takedown...trying to turn it for the Walls - Hogan fights it - Hogan with a body scissors and Jericho flips to the mat!! Hogan with the gutshot - into the ropes, head down, but Jericho kicks. Jericho with the bulldog! LIONSAULT!! Leg is hooked - 1, 2, NO!!! Hogan has the look! You have to see the look on Jericho's face here - this is priceless shit, folks. Jericho knows exactly what's coming and hits the perfect facial expressions. He tries the right hand anyway - but it has no effect. Right hand - Hogan starts to jackhammer! Jericho is beside himself - but he has no other choice...he is compelled to throw the right hand again. HOGAN POINTS "YOU!!" Deep down, Jericho knows it won't work, but he can't help himself - right hand...is blocked - Hogan with the right, right, right, into the ropes - big boot! Jericho wisely rolls out of the ring, shoves away Chimel and grabs his chair, bringing it back into the ring with him. Hogan kicks the chair but Jericho holds on and *crowns* him! Chioda calls for the bell. (DQ 6:31) Jericho hits the "King of the World" pose, then goes outside for a little furniture rearranging. STEEL steps in place - Jericho back in, tossing Hogan out of the ring. Jericho to the outside, chair in hand - WHACK! Hogan collapses into position on the steps. "You are finished!" Jericho puts a boot on Hogan's head and raises the chair...but just before he swings, the Y2J countdown starts up again - the lights dim - the pyro hits - and...is that Jericho's twin striking the pose? He turns round - it is EDGE. Teeth in full light, Edge doing his best Jericho imitation - gum spit - to the ring - Jericho, who'd hit the ring, tries to escape but Hogan is outside with the chair! Jericho turns back - Edge with the clothesline! Right, right, right, right, right, down to the mat, right, right, right, right, right - clotheslining Jericho over the ropes to the floor! Edge removes his shirt and gives us "fired up." Now Hogan puts Jericho back into the ring - Edge puts him in the corner, shoulderblock in the gut, viscera off the ropes...Jericho tries to go outside again, but Hogan waves his finger and grabs him - back in the ring - Hogan and Edge share a "that's that" sign - and Edge hits the SPEAR!! "Get the hell up, Chicago! Get up!" Edge on the turnbuckle and the crowd digs it. Hogan in the ring to raise Edge's hand - hey, why are they playing Hogan's music instead of Edge's? Bah! Jericho up the ramp and out - they do a cut here and next thing you know, Edge and Hogan are both doing the Hogan routine in the ring. Credits are up!

June 24, 2002 A Day that will live in infamy... For the WORST...MATCH...EEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEVER! Nope you got your Jackie Gayda matches mixed up...that's next week (edit: actually my mistake, it will be two weeks from now). CRZ's recap of this match: TRISH STRATUS - THE FITNESS MODEL (Women's Champion) & LINDA MILES (with "Divas Undressed" hype - and RAW is brought to you by "WrestleMania X8" GameCube, "Eight Legged Freaks," and Twix!) v. MOLLY HOLLY & JACKIE GAYDA referee: Patton Well, no explanation given yet for Linda appearing on this show. Of course, I still think Nowinski is the hardcore champion, so you know I probably just have ISSUES. HEY! First, Molly has THE STICK: "I would just like to say that it is an honour to bring dignity back to the WWE Women's title by earning it. And not by being a sleazy tramp who sleeps her way to the top like *some* people." Trish steals the mic! "Earned it? Do I need to remind you that you cheated to get that title? But you know what, you know what, that's cool, 'cause it's just another challenge to get that title back. But as far as sleeping my way for that title, I worked my way to that title, these people saw me work for that title. And you know what? I actually felt bad about poking fun of you at the last couple days, but if you're gonna stick to your cheating ways and your cheapshots, well it'll be my pleasure to kick your fat ass!" OH NO IT'S ON and they've paired up by whether or not they're actually on the RAWster or not (yuk yuk). Faces in charge - Gayda tossed - back body drop on Molly by Trish - dropkick by Trish - Molly runs to make the tag. Japanese armdrag (!) by Stratus. Arm wringer, tag to Miles - elbow to the elbow. Arm wringer, yankin' and crankin' - Molly in and Miles gives HER a big boot. Tag to Stratus - top rope axehandle to the arm - back to the arm wringer. Chop, chop, arm wringer, tag to Miles. Elbow across the elbow. Arm wringer. You know, I think they've isolated a body part. I think Lawler's isolated a body part, tsk tsk. Into the ropes is reversed, kick in the back by Molly, clothesline by Gayda gets 1. Tag to Molly. Gayda picks up Miles and feeds her to Holly for a kick. Forearm in the back, headbutt by Miles, axehandle by Molly, rakes the face for 4, lightning elbowdrop to the small of the back, elbowdrop, stomp, choke on the second rope. Gayda adds a choke as Patton warns Molly - this brings in Stratus, allowing Molly to add a stretch of her own, pulling on her legs while Gayda holds the choke. Holly stands on the neck for 4. Miles fights back - right to the gut, right, but Holly puts her down with another axehandle. Snapmares her over. Chop by Molly. Timmmmmmber. Into the ropes, head down, sunset flip by Miles - 1, 2, no. Holly stomp, stomp, stomp. Front facelock - nice snap suplex by Holly - tag to Gayda, who climbs the adjacent corner - Miles elbows out of the full nelson, dropkicks Holly into the ropes but Gayda apparently forgets to crotch hereslf, so Holly has to make a production out of pulling herself up by the ropes - NOW she goes down. Miles decides to tag out - clothesline by Stratus on Holly, handstand Frankensteiner on Gayda (!) - 1, 2, Holly with a dropkick to break it up! Holly back to her corner to get the tag. Block by Stratus, elbow, bloack, elbow, elbow, elbow, front kick, 1, 2, Gayda breaks it up - Miles in with a dropkick, then tosses her through the ropes while Stratus kicks Holly in the corner - whip into the opposite corner is reversed and Holly tries the tumbling run elbow - nobody home, though - Stratus with Stratusfaction and that'll do ya. 1, 2, 3. (4:44) There's a "ruthless aggression," whew! I thought we weren't gonna squeeze one in! Just in case you take any of this wrestling stuff seriously, though...

June 24, 1996 The Public Enemy def. The Bluebloods Kent Ahee def. The Taskmaster by DQ Dean Malenko def. Bobby Walker Eddy Guerrero def. The Barbarian Chris Benoit & Arn Anderson def. The Rock n Roll Express Diamond Dallas Page def. Alex Wright Randy Savage def. V.K. Wallstreet Harlem Heat def. The Steiner Brothers and Sting & Lex Luger (pinned) in a three-way tag match to win the Tag Titles June 23, 1997 La Parka & Damien def. The Public Enemy Chris Jericho def. Alex Wright The Steiner Brothers def. Harlem Heat Hector Garza def. Villano IV Syxx def. Chavo Guerrero Jr.; CW Title Match Steve McMichael def. Konnan Glacier & Ernest Miller def. High Voltage Diamond Dallas Page def. Scott Hall by DQ June 22, 1998 Disco Inferno def. Lynn Denton Yuji Nagata def. Tokyo Magnum The Public Enemy def. Horace & Sick Boy Goldberg def. Rick Fuller; U.S. Title Match Alex Wright def. Eddy Guerrero Konnan def. Riggs Steve McMichael def. Stevie Ray by DQ Bret Hart def. Chris Benoit Kevin Greene def. The Giant by DQ June 28, 1999 Chris Benoit & Saturn def. Steven Regal & Fit Finlay Eddy Guerrero def. Lodi Bam Bam Bigelow def. Hak The West Texas Rednecks def. n.W.o. B-Team The Cat def. Disco Inferno by DQ Diamond Dallas Page & Kanyon def. Buff Bagwell & Dean Malenko; Tag Title Match Sid Vicious def. Scott Putski Kevin Nash def. David Flair by DQ in a Lumberjack Match for the WCW Title June 26, 2000 Mark Jindrak & Sean O’Haire def. Rey Misterio Jr. & Juventud Guerrera The Perfect Event def. Shane Helms & Shannon Moore Goldberg def. Jim Duggan Kevin Nash def. Mike Awesome Scott Steiner def. Buff Bagwell Lance Storm def. Disco Inferno Jeff Jarrett def. Goldberg, Scott Steiner, and Kevin Nash (pinned) in a four-way match for the WCW Title

No in your mind he isn't a main eventer but in my mind and many others he is so get over yourself. Also the guys I mentioned the current place now is this: Austin - a cripple playing another tired authority role and might never wrestle again. Rock - a part time wrestler who is no longer a consistent fixture in the main event scene with his frequent abscence. Hogan - might as well be considered a part time wrestler since he hardly ever does, stuck in primarily a comedy angle and no longer a serious threat to the world title. Undertaker - has been a midcarder all year and doesn't appear to be leaving it anytime soon. Triple H - the soon to be son-in-law to Vince McMahon and holding everyone else hostage in the process and nothing really can be done about it unfortunently. Kurt Angle - guarenteed the main event spot at Vengeance and likely the main event spot at SummerSlam. Will likely be holding the #1 belt in the company for a 4th time in a month or two.

EXACTLY. Use the mark test. Those three against each other, toss up. Angle against one of them, total under dog. First off Angle is not the draw that Rock or Austin were and odds are he never will be. But odds are no one in the near future will reach the level of those two in terms of drawing power with the current state of the product, and no its not Angle's fault if never reaches that level of drawing power. So I think its an unfair comparison as even people who never watch wrestling have probably heard of Rock, Stone Cold, and Hulk Hogan. Kurt Angle is not on that level but those are guys who transcended the sport and obviously that is very hard to do so. Now in the case of Triple H everything he does is tainted. Everything he has accomplished post-quad injury has an asterisk next to it because it no longer has to do with in-ring ability, which has obviously decreased, and he doesn't have Rock or Austin to feed off and be a perceived as a big draw. As long as Triple H is fucking Stephanie no one will be built as strong as he is. Not Kurt Angle, not even Brock Lesnar and, not Randy Orton in his upcoming blow job push. If Orton's push is successful and he becomes a draw we all know who will be the first to cut him off at the legs. Now getting off the subject a little there but what you also have to remember is as much as HHH has been pushed I don't think he's a known commodity in the American popular culture like Hogan, Austin, and Rock and never will be. I just have a problem with, essentially putting down what Angle has accomplished and saying that you guys think he isn't a main eventer which is just absured IMO. He isn't Hogan, Austin, or Rock and probably never will be. But he also isn't a guy like Benoit who has never been given the chance and he isn't a guy like Jericho who was cut off at the legs over someone's own personal agenda. Angle is well over with the marks and has been for quite sometime and is a main event performer now and will be (barring health) for years to come and how about just being happy about it? There are plenty of other things that deserve to be bitched about rather than this. Angle just better never grow his hair long. Edit: Oh and postscrpit...fuck Undertaker. He was never the draw the Big Three ever were and now he's just an old man clinging to his spot refusing to put over anyone over strong that he doesn't perceive as paying their dues and has been doing that for three years now. Undertaker is so insignifcant now and its not even funny.

I am sick and tired of the Kurt Angle martyrdom. I think Angle, when you combine in ring and mic skills, is the best performer in the WWE currently. But this Angle is mistreated crap has gone far enough. I got no problem with arguing that Angle’s first two title reigns are tainted but the fact is he still was world champion. I also agree with many points on how Angle is portrayed but not a main eventer? You have to be fuckin’ kidding me. I think Jericho and Benoit fans have 10 times more reason to complain about the treatment of them rather than Kurt Angle. Do you all realize that when Angle wins the WWE Title next month at Vengeance or in August at SummerSlam that he will have the same number world titles (not counting HHH’s bogus belt) as the Undertaker? Hmmm wasn't he a main event guy or is four world titles not enough to be considered a main event player? Hell just the simple fact it's almost a forgone conclusion that Angle will have the WWE Title once again the next month or two I think makes him a main eventer but what do I know? After that the only wrestlers that will have more WWE/WWF World Titles will be the three biggest draws in the company history (Hulk Hogan, Steve Austin, The Rock), the sacred son of the IWC (Bret Hart), and the guy who fucks the bosses daughter (Triple H). Barring another neck injury Angle’s 4th title reign will likely not be his last and last year will likely not be his last WrestleMania main event. If Kurt Angle isn’t a main eventer…THEN WHO THE FUCK IS?????

They're borderline Main event themselves. Yes because they've only been in the main event of WRESTLEMANIA. Yup borderline main eventers.

Ummm you don't think the ladder match was *****? Ummm ooookaaay. You could definently make some arguments for Hell in the Cell and Mind Games as ***** as well and probably would even get a few people to say the Iron Man match was *****. The match with Diesel was excellent as well and definently Nash's best match ever. Also the AWA tag match, if its the one I'm thinking of, has to be seen to be believed. Not ***** mind you but let's just say Shawn WAS wearing white tights when the match started.

It will never happen. Uhhhh cause ya know ECW guys are already in WWE or in other promotions and ECW isn't around anymore and like ya know they invaded in '97 and were brought in during the WCW Invasion so um why would they?

Holy shit...if this is what I think it is...Rockers vs. Buddy Rose & Doug Somers where everyone just bleeds all over the fuckin' place...wow.

Its racism I tells ya!

Don't worry...Orton will just get injured again. Oh and Orton must give a the best blow jobs in the business.