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How long would the Kane character have lasted if their original choice to play the character, Dan Spivey, came out of retirement and didn't turn it down?

I seem to remember ECW drawing huge crowds for their Canadian debut shows in Fall 2000.

I knew it wouldn't be long until it changed. WWE can't do anything that makes sense and drips with logic for too long.

Wow, all of you are dorks. And the wannabe moderator UTSU is your ringleader.

I'm still trying to figure out why Maven was a part of any of that.

Total exaggeration. It hasn't gotten any worse than it was when Vengeance was being promoted. For a few weeks there wasn't nearly as much real interaction. Not to be an apologist, but really, be objective. Now then, next week will probably be the worst case yet because you know that DX is going to be slathered all over the show like JR's BBQ sauce. I was objective. I was very excited about wwECW after the One Night Stand PPV. I made it a point to have that TV on Sci-Fi at 10pm on June 13. But after 4 weeks of a show that shouldn't have the letters "ECW" anywhere near it, wwECW was officially stamped a piece of shit by me. I watched the 8/1 Hammerstein show, but only because I wanted to see how the crowd would react. I've just been reading recaps since with very meager hopes something will change. With that being said, how can you say the WWE/"ECW" interaction didn't get any worse after Vengeance? Big Show ended up defending the wwECW Title against completely abritrary people from Raw & Smackdown like Ric Flair, The Undertaker, Kane, & Batista. Kane & Batista were completely random with no story behind it at all. All the UT match served was a backdrop behind the UT/Khali feud. Same for Flair's match serving as a build-up for Flair/Foley. It was never that bad when RVD was wwECW Champion, and when he did fight Raw/SD people, there was at least somewhat of a solid story behind it. wwECW is a product that absolutely shits all over my memories of ECW. I would be fine with it and probably enjoy it if they'd call it something else. But when you whore out ECW's corpse and prostitute it for a buck, that's not exactly going to appeal to a fan of ECW since 1994. I can't erase from my mind what I remember ECW being, so obviously when you say "We're bringing it back!" and have it be completely different from the original, people like me are going to shit all over it. Deal with it. No, I'm not asking for a complete duplication of the angles and storylines. The feeling is not there. Having this bullshit taped at a WWE event is absolutely retarded. 75% of what made ECW so special was the environment itself, and the product that actually reflected that environment and played off of it. wwECW forces the crowd to adapt to what they want, which is the WWE way. ECW adapted itself to what its fans wanted. When ECW said "Experience the Difference," that is the fucking difference. In other words, when I think ECW, I don't think DX vs. The Big Show all the while Balls Mahoney jobs to fuckin Mordecai. It's bolony. What's so frustrating is that it was right there for the picking and could have been capitalized on, but it won't be. I'm almost wishing this show had never been picked up for Sci-Fi and instead stayed at either the Saturday night/2am USA timeslot or a WWE.Com show. And please, don't come at me with the same old "Well if you don't watch it, shut up." I don't have to watch it, as long as I know the basis of what's going on. It's not like a WWE product is so detailed and deep that it has to be watched to completely grasp. I enjoy discussing wrestling with people and giving my viewpoints. That doesn't mean I have to ocularly consume it.

Tuesday night, Paul Heyman will be stepping into the lions’ den. After weeks of trying to keep Sabu out of the ring with ECW World Champion Big Show, it is now Heyman who will do battle with the Suicidal, Homicidal, Genocidal Extremist. But this won’t just be any match; this will be Sabu’s specialty, an Extreme Rules Match. So, if Heyman has tried to keep his champion away from Sabu, why would he step into the ring himself? For ECW’s self-proclaimed Messiah, it’s simply a matter of righting his own wrong. “This entire situation with Sabu is my fault…I am man enough to take care of the problem that I should have nipped in the bud to begin with,” Heyman told ECW.com. “It was a mistake to bring back Sabu; it was a mistake to renew my relationship with this man. He is my creation; Sabu was a freak show in Japan, carved up by barbed wire…the epitome of a garbage wrestler when I risked everything in September 1993 to bring him into ECW and build the company around him. I risked our launch, I risked my fortune, I risked the entire concept of ECW on my belief in Sabu, and he owes me for that.” In fact, Heyman considers himself like Dr. Frankenstein, who must destroy the monster he has created. “I made Sabu a worldwide commodity known across the globe, famous beyond his wildest imagination. But instead of being grateful and appreciative of me and supporting Big Show’s reign, Sabu had to come at me with his selfishness,” Heyman screamed. “Well he’s my monster, and Dr. Frankenstein has to be the one to slay his own monster. I have no other choice as a man but to step into the ring and take care of a mistake that I clearly made several months ago when I brought Sabu back into global prominence.” Regardless of his bravado, Heyman has to be afraid of what might happen to him; if he feared for the 7-foot, 507-pound Big Show’s safety, his own could be in severe jeopardy. However, he told ECW.com that he hopes the ends will justify the means. “I am a martyr. I have bled for ECW, I have damn near died for ECW…and if that’s what it takes to rid ECW of Sabu, then I will lay my life on the line for the promotion that has resurrected from the ashes named Extreme Championship Wrestling.” Sabu, on the other hand, is salivating at the opportunity to get Heyman into the ring, and said that everything Heyman had to say was false. “F*ck Paul Heyman! This is what he wants, this is what he gets. He thinks he’s going to step into the ring with me? Is he joking?” Sabu screamed. “I am Sabu. Paul Heyman didn’t make me; my uncle trained me, and I made my own sacrifices. I never asked anyone in the audience to accept me; I earned their respect, and I earned my relationship with the ECW fans because I made my sacrifices. I’m proud of my scars; every scar on my body is a badge of honor. Heyman didn’t make me, the ECW audience did. And if Heyman wants to step into the ring with me, I am going to deliver a beating to Paul Heyman. A merciless, extreme beating like he has never suffered in his life. I’m going to make him suffer.” It’s obvious that Sabu is looking forward to this match, but oddly, it seems that Heyman is as well. In nearly a decade of being associated with ECW, Paul Heyman has never stepped inside the ring. There’s a first time for everything…but will Paul Heyman survive?

People were saying that the Raw/Smackdown interaction with ECW would stop after Vengeance. If anything, it's increased x3. If you really believe that the interaction will ever die down, I have some beachfront property in Antarctica to sell you.

I'm sure DX vs. The Big Show is exactly what Paul Heyman & Tommy Dreamer were thinking when they pushed the idea of relaunching ECW.

I stopped watching after the 7/4 Philadelphia show. I hope this whole thing fails.

And UseTheSledgehammerUh feels the need to make other threads look stupid because somehow he thinks he has a say in the matter due to the boner he gets from having some of his threads stickied. Go back to being banned, troll.

I think the thread is fair game to be started when WWE.Com posts the official preview.

I thought this was pretty funny. In the Top 51 Offenders of WWE Magazine, the following question was posed: "Which of the following was not a result of the curse that Papa Shango placed on The Ultimate Warrior in the summer of 1992?" A) Explosive diarrhea B) Vomiting C) Black goo oozing from his face D) Diminishing star power

The only person to blame for Kurt Angle's current state is Kurt Angle. WWE never did anything to him. The only thing WWE is guilty of here is desperately trying to slow him down since late-2003 without cutting off his paycheck. Angle couldn't/wouldn't take the steps needed, so now not only does he have a destroyed body that will be lucky to still operate by age 45, he's got no stream of income to support his wife and daughter. This is the same guy who caused permanent damage to himself while continuing to compete in the 1996 Olympics despite a badly injured neck. I don't buy any of this "mutual agreement" bunk. Kurt Angle was shitcanned. Shitcanned for his own good.

What is the point of this thread?

The reason WWE is adding people like Rene Dupree, Bob Holly, and Matt Striker to ECW is so that they can phase out and most likely release a few of the ECW originals that they signed while ECW was planned to still be just an internet show and didn't have the prime time Sci-Fi deal and also see nothing in. Those that are currently on the bubble are CW Anderson, Francine, Tony Mamaluke, Danny Doring, and Jazz. There is also talk on giving both Al Snow and Steven Richards office jobs, which would eliminate their time in the ring. -- PWI Audio

Nothing that happens in WWECW should be compared to the real ECW in terms of history. And that number you gave for November to Remember 2000 cannot be accurate. It was held at the Odeum in Chicago, Illinois, and that mass capacity there had to be around 5,000 or so. EDIT: I asked Dave Meltzer in an e-mail about N2R 2000's attendance and he said it was approximately 4,600. No idea where you got 8,000 from.

WWE Smackdown Diva and winner of the 2005 Raw DivaSearch Ashley Massaro was involved in a car accident upon her return home to Long Island from the LaGuardia Airport in New York City. The only bad news stemming from the accident was that Massaro was not injured and will be fine. (Yeah, I'm an ass. Deal with it.)

Well, the person was bitching about being left off the WM19 card, so the top candidates were The Hurricane (this was less than a month after The Rock put him over on Raw), Rob Van Dam, Christian, Jeff Hardy, and Lance Storm.

Dave Scherer is reporting that Bob Holly and Matt Striker are being moved to the ECW brand to be mid-card heels. Holly and Striker made their ECW debuts tonight at the show in Altoona, PA. At the show, Holly defeated Balls Mahoney and Matt Striker cut a promo.

The problem with that theory is WWE hasn't had writers that even toed the line of "good" since 2000.

All the developmental territories have WWE PPV banners hung in their arenas.

He actually looks better like that.

I love how it's being made out to be that Undertaker stayed totally loyal to the WWF during the black period. Whatever. He was set to jump to WCW and take one of Ted Turner's huge paychecks before he found out he couldn't use the Deadman gimmick in WCW.

I am still truly shocked, like last week.