LucharesuFan619

I don't wanna send the $ first, because the tapes may not even be on sale...I already got a pm from Corino 1000, so it's pretty much settled. But thanks for the offer, and enjoy the show.

WOW, I gotta start posting in this forum more...people reply at faster rates than Michael Jackson touches kids in the wrong places...ok...errr...wrong comparison.

I think he also modifies it even more than just the half nelson...he also adds in a modified pumphandle, so it ends up being a Half Nelson Pumphandle Michinoku Driver II.

Sorry to bump the topic...am just looking at the topic for the first time since my last reply... Ya, I meant sought-after, my bad. I've heard've the guys you mention, Tony, but in all honesty...I don't know much about MCW. I got most of the info for this article from ancient RSPW records...I've never even seen an MCW tape, so I don't know much about Chad/Dino and Bruiser, besides that Brusier had some matches with Flash.

Now THAT is a funny quote.

Is Molly Holly a virgin? If so, what is her phone #? If not, what is her phone #?

My boy Doug Graham put up a review of the DVD if anyone's interested... http://theddt.com/viewnews.cgi?category=1&id=1076634934 Hopefully this constitutes relevance to WWE, since everyone's been asking for reviews of it. If it's not related enough...sorry...please don't ban me.

Ya, I'd go with TJ Wilson over Pete Wilson in that scenario. Wilson's a solid wrestler, in addition to his high flying. Surprised no one mentioned Bruce Hart. He's good, too. Maybe a tournament with the guys from the UK? James Tighe, Paul Birchill (his STANDING Spanish Fly is amazing!), Scott Parker, Jack Xavier, Zebra Kid, Jonny Storm of course, Doug Williams, etc.... If done right, I think AMW vs. Ricky Banderas & Ricky Santana of Puerto Rico could be good. They have very similar styles. Not many others that would work well who are from PR, though...

There was a really similar thread on the wrestlingclassics.com board a few days ago, about how Bret got along with Rock and Austin. This is basically what I said there. Rock had nothing but good things to say about Hart in his book. He said that Hart would go out of his way to sit with him on bus rides and give him tips about what he does well and what he could do better. He told a funny story about how Owen Hart played a rib on Rock during a house show in some foreign country. Rock had a submission on Owen and he played like there was no pain...he apparently sat back on his elbows and looked at his wrist as if there was a watch on it, then yawned, etc. Sounded funny.

Really? Anyone have more info on this "documentary?" It sounds cool.

Just talked to Johnny Webb for about an hour. I recorded the whole thing, only to find that it didn't fucking work and the tape recorder must be broken. So, I'm doing this all from memory, and am going to post stuff as I remember it. I'll write a more formalized recap in the following days, and it'll be posted on several sites. Webb explained that he was very into karate and similar sports and that it was through those interests that he got into wrestling. He saw an ad for the Slammers Wrestling Federation training school and decided to sign up. He was trained mainly by Darren McMillan, better known as Dynamite D, but also interacted regularly with Carlos Torres a.k.a. Hombre de Oro a.k.a Carlito Montana. He also had several matches with "Iron" Mike Earhardt, Tyrone "Tiny" Little, and Jimmie Jaimes, better known respectfully as The Messiah, Cybil, and Homeless Jimmy. As all of the workers who've met him that I've talked to have supported, Verne Langdon - the owner of the SWF - was very old school. He was nothing like Rob Black. There were set dates for shows - every Thursday night (Webb only worked the shows in Bakersfield, CA) - and regardless of whether they fell on a Christmas, Thanksgiving, or other holiday, you had to go, or you'd be fired. It was when McMillan didn't come to a show on Thanksgiving that he was fired by Langdon. Next part coming in several minutes...

F*ck off. There was no need for that, and you know it.

Confirmation: Sabu was indeed on last night's IWA-MS show, according to a fan at the show who posted on the IWA-MS board.

Thanks Phoenix. Couple more questions: - The Z-Barr Thriller/The Barr Thriller/The Z-Thriller (same thing or different? either way, what is each one?) - Adam Flash and Danny Rose: The Rachie Slam? Oh, and to the dude above who asked about Chris Sabin's moves. He debuted the Sabin Edge, an iconoclasm, on Wednesday's TNA X Cup.

Holy shit. I like the idea, personally, as Sabu is one of my all-time favorites and still is. But fuck, what the hell do I know about CZW. I hate em after all, right, so my opinion doesn't count, I guess. Oh well... I am VERY surprised that Zandig was able to come to terms with Sabu, after the shit the guy was saying about CZW and particularly Zandig back at GOTJ 2002.

Kashmere has a move called "The Most Requested Neckbreaker?" I always knew he was hilarious, but now he's my new favorite wrestler. That's classic.

There is no reasoning with this kid. Remember, if you disagree with Jon Barber, YOU ARE WRONG. You're one wierd dude.

"Backseat Boyz' recent departure apparently just one example of CZW boss' past communicational faults with talent" by LucharesuFan619 on Saturday, February 7, 2004 A memorable era in Combat Zone Wrestling recently ended, and perhaps at the most inoppurtune of times. Less than a week before their scheduled match on CZW's Fifth Anniversary Show, The Backseat Boyz - a popular tag team comprised of Trent Acid & Johnny Kashmere - were announced this past week as having left CZW, the company where they first gained major prominence on the U.S. independent circuit. The revalation came in an article called "The Backseat Manifesto" that was posted on several Internet message boards and finally on the Backseats' official website, BackseatWeb.com, a few days ago. The document's author never identified himself by name, but on the message boards that he posted the piece on, his username was, "BurningWizard." The article stated that "Johnny and Trent have indeed, as of 2/3/04, resigned from CZW." There were a number of reasons cited for their departure. The most prominent appeared to be that "The Backseats were scheduled to appear on the upcoming 2/7/04 CZW show and the 2/7/04 World-1 show against Rebel's Army (Greg Matthews & Rockin' Rebel) in a 6-8 minute opener." According to the article, though, CZW owner John Zandig "used his leverage with the building and license to have The Backseats removed" from the World-1 show. Furthermore, Kashmere stated that he had tried to contact Zandig several times for more than two weeks, but had yet to have any of his calls answered or returned. The "manifesto" - which can be read in full at BackseatWeb.com - continued by stating that when CZW finally learned that Kashmere had left it due to Zandig's apparent unprofessionalism, Zandig "gave Trent the ultimatum to either leave with Kashmere or stay on board as a singles wrestler, and Trent declined his offer saying that The Backseat Boyz are a team and are most effective when used in that capacity." The Backseats' scheduled match on tonight's CZW Fifth Anniversary Show was scheduled to be a triangle tag team bout that also featured Homicide & Dan "Mafia" Maff and The H8 Club (Nick Gage & Nate Hatred), but it appears now that it will now simply be a regular, four-man tag team match between the latter two duos. CZW's official web site, CZWWrestling.com, has yet to post any news regarding the Backseats' departure, and in fact, as of this morning, still has the triangle tag team match listed for tonight's show. The Backseat Boyz have been members of the CZW roster for approximately the last four and a half years of the company's five-year existence. Acid debuted for the promotion on June 19, 1999 and Kashmere a month later on July 24. Before coming to CZW, the duo had surfed the East Coast independent circuit for the past few years. Trained at a number of wrestling schools, Acid made his in-ring debut on May 20, 1995 and in 1999 began teaming on a regular basis with Kashmere. In CZW, the charismatic duo had a classic series of matches vs. the now retired tag team of "Sick" Nick Mondo & Ric Blade and even toured Big Japan Pro Wrestling, battling the likes of Mens' Teioh, Jun Kasai, and The W*nger. Perhaps, however, their biggest accomplishment was apppearing on a 2001 edition of WWF Sunday Night HeAT as lookalikes of The Dudley Boyz. Acid won CZW's second annual "Best of the Best" Junior Heavyweight Tournament in 2002 and was the runner-up for the 2003 event a year later. On September 13, 2003, he won a tournament to capture the vacant CZW Ironman Title and held it for three months before dropping it to Jimmy Rave. That was the third time that Acid held a singles championship in CZW, as he was already a two-time CZW Junior Heavyweight Champion. Together, Acid & Kashmere held CZW's Tag Team Titles three times, first capturing them on June 10, 2000 from The Haas Brothers, comprised of the late Russ Haas and current WWE SmackDown! competitor Charlie Haas. Last year, they made their debut for Ring of Honor, and have already held that promotion's tag team titles once. Interestingly, this isn't even the first time that one of The Backseat Boyz have left CZW. On Sunday, October 12, 2003, it was announced that Kashmere had left the promotion. One source within CZW merely insisted that he would be "taking time away from CZW," but the story seemed to be a lot more significant than that. Indications were that Kashmere - who at the time of the walkout co-held the CZW Tag Team Titles with Acid - was entirely done with the company. CZW promoted as appearing on the October 11 CZW show at Viking Hall and never bothered to take his name off of the list of those scheduled to work the event. This despite that - according to close friends of his - he had apparently quit the company a month earlier, after the September 13 show, due to being discouraged about his role in CZW's storylines. CZW even took Kashmere's name off of the list in its website's "Roster" section, which The Backseat Boyz - as of now - have yet to be removed from. Kashmere returned to CZW a few months later on November 15 and resumed the role that he had previously been involved in (before leaving) - regularly teaming with Acid and acting as a member of the promotion's heel stable, The Hi-V. His - and as it now appears, Acid's, also - final appearance in CZW came on January 17 at Viking Hall, when The Backseat Boyz dropped their CZW Tag Team Titles to Rebel's Army in a six-man tag team match that also included CZW debutee Justin Credible. No confirmation has surfaced as to whether Kashmere's initial departure from CZW a few months ago has any connection to The Backseat Boyz' recent fallout with the promotion, but it's certainly a significant possibility, based - for just one thing - on how this incident happened just a few months after the one in late 2003. This latest instance of dissension between employer and employees in CZW, however, also follows a substantial list of precedence. Especially as of late, the complaints of both current and former-employees toward CZW owner John Zandig (the real-life John Corso) have been piling up to a level unexpected by most CZW fans. CZW's lockerroom - only a year ago - was said to be one of the tightest of any of the major independent promotions in the US, and a number of CZW workers (both past and present) have gone on record to confirm that reality. The unity that the roster has was perhaps no better exemplified on September 14, 2002 at "Ultraviolent Freedom of Expression," when The Messiah cut a curse-laden promo putting over CZW and it's fans, with the entire CZW roster in the ring with him. That harmony, however, appears to be at least partially waning, based on indications of late. When one asks any long-time CZW fan the first word that comes to mind when they hear the name "Sick" Nick Mondo, words like "insane," "risktaker," and "fearless" are probably some of the most common answers. After briefly surfing the East Coast independents, Mondo made his CZW debut in May 2000 and has remained a member of its roster until late last year. Throughout his tenure with the promotion, he won the Tag Team Titles once and the CZW Ironman Title four times, produced classic matches (in CZW terms, at least) against the likes of Justice Pain, The Messiah, Nick Gage, Ric Blade, and The Backseat Boyz, and took some incredible bumps that have yet to be matched by any other CZW performer. However, injuries and scars - quite understandable after you've seen a couple of his matches - that had piled up forced him to retire from wrestling late last year. The final show that he worked as CZW's second annual Tournament of Death on July 26. Although he was the sole winner of the event, the real talk came from his semifinal round match vs. Zandig, during which the CZW boss pressed Mondo up above his head and leaped off of an approximately 25 foot tall building and along with Mondo, crashed through a pile of tables, fluorescent light tubes, and other materials. I spoke to Zandig on the phone a few days after the match and he told me it was probably the scariest bump that himself or Mondo had ever taken in their careers, but that didn't stop them from eventually climbing back up to their feet and finishing the match, which Mondo - with a back bloodier than even most death match fans have seen - eventually won. Later that very same night, Mondo then went on to defeat IWA-MS owner and former-ECW wrestler Ian Rotten in the final round to capture the T.O.D.2 trophy. It was announced that Mondo would be taking a few months to recover from his injuries, but on November 10 of last year, he announced on his official web site, NickMondo.com, that he'd be retiring from wrestling. Although he cited the fact that he was and still is a full-time college student as one of the reasons for his retirement, he made no attempt to downplay the risks he's taken in the business, saying that "Zandig and I easily could have died from that bump we took. I mean, we fell a couple stories with nothing but wood, glass, and concrete to break our fall. I think it's a miracle that we both walked away from that bump on our own two feet." With CZW's biggest show of the year, Cage of Death V, only a few months away, most CZW fans expected that a retirement ceremony or something of the sort would be held for him. However, on December 7, about a month after he revealed that he was retiring, he posted another statement on his web site, saying that "CZW won't be bringing me in for COD5. I can't even get a hold of Zandig." He said that he had been repeatedly trying to contact the CZW owner over the past week or so, but that he never had his calls returned. C.O.D. occurred in December and was greatly praised by many web sites, but many fans at the show were unhappy that Mondo didn't make any appearance. Then, only a few weeks ago it was announced that a CZW Hall of Fame ceremony would occur on tonight's Fifth Anniversary Show, where a number of wrestlers from CZW's past would be brought back, at least for that one night. Mondo posted on his web site's message board that he had yet to be contacted, although although "it would be nice after all I've been through for the company," he wasn't going to "let it hurt [his] feelings" if he wasn't contacted. Fans on the message board of CZW's fan site have been especially avid in calling for him to appear, and many have e-mailed CZW to urging them to bring him in, also. It seems that we'll have to wait until tonight to see if he does make an appearance. A few months before Mondo's final match, CZW was - in storyline - being invaded by wrestlers from the rival IWA Mid-South promotion, ran by Ian Rotten. At the November 8, 2003 IWA-MS Question & Answer session (the tape of which can be purchased at SmartMarkVideo.com), Ian was given his opportunity to discuss the CZW/IWA-MS angle that had transpired earlier in the year. He mentioned that during his first run in CZW, back in early 2000, he left the promotion because - after putting on one of the bloodiest matches in CZW's history with Madman Pondo and having to receive 20 stitches from the cuts endured in that bout - he never received any call from Zandig thanking him for taking such abuse in the match. Furthermore, Ian stated that Zandig doesn't care about his wrestlers and is even very cold towards most of them, save for Trent Acid, who obviously is out of the picture now. While several CZW wrestlers have put over how much Zandig cares for his workers, there was at least one notable counterexample. In June 2001 on a CZW show, Ric Blade seriously injured his foot, keeping him out of action for the next several months. When Blade requested that CZW cover his medical bills, Zandig refused, prompting Blade to leave CZW and not return for more than two years. Like Ian, some of the non-CZW regulars who've wrestled there haven't had long stays with the promotion, either. One such performer was former-ECW wrestler Chris Hamrick, who wrestled a tag team match for CZW on April 13, 2002 and never returned again. The Internet rumor that stated that Zandig never brought back Hamrick because he noticably overshot his finishing move, a Flying Leg Drop, during the match was confirmed by a CZW fan several months later. This fan called the CZW offices to purchase tickets to one of it's upcoming shows and Zandig ended up picking up. The two apparently conversed for several minutes and the fan asked Zandig why Hamrick hadn't returned, and Zandig cited that same botched spot as being the major reason that he hadn't returned. Hamrick made the appearance in CZW as a favor to Zandig when "The Rock Superstar" Kaos - a wrestler for the rival XPW promotion in California - had to pull out of his scheduled booking. I had the opportunity to interview Hamrick on Sunday, May 18, 2003 and one of the first questioned that I asked him was whether or not this rumor was true - had he not returned to CZW due to heat over this botched spot? He responded that he "[hated] to say it, but (John) Kronus (one of Hamrick's opponents in the match) f*cked everything up." He continued, explaining that "The leg drop spot was f*cked up because when I went up to get on Adam's (Adam Flash was Hamrick's partner in the match) shoulders, when I looked down, Kronus had rolled out too far for me to hit him from where I was." Knowing how horrible it would look if he simply stepped back down to the mat after climbing up to a standing position on the top buckle, he "had no other choice but to jump." Hamrick even mentioned that until our interview, he "had never head that rumor" and said that "all those nights I sat at home and wondered why Zandig never called me back, wouldn't take any other bookings, just hoping he would call and book me. Well - damn - that explains it." To close the topic off, Hamrick issued a statement to Zandig, saying that "if you are reading this, I did you the one favor and this is how you repay me. Now, you can't afford me." Similar situations happened with current CZW wrestler Sonjay Dutt and former-CZW wrestler M-Dogg 20. Sonjay had been booked for May 2003's Delaware Championship Wrestling "Patriot Games" event. He had made flight arrangements to travel back from Florida, where he was competing at the IPW Hardcore/NWA Florida "Jeff Peterson Memorial Cup." However, shortly before the show, Zandig told Sonjay to forget about his DCW booking and have his name pulled from the card. It's no secret at all to avid indy fans that DCW is ran by the same guy who wrestled as Gabriel Knight and MiddKnight in CZW's early days (during 1999), before leaving the company after having a disagreement with Zandig. The two have had a war of words over the last few years and to this day greatly dislike each other, and this was what several sites reported was the main reason for the sudden change in Sonjay's schedule. Zandig's role in Ring of Honor's discussions with M-Dogg 20 aren't confirmed, like the above Sonjay incident is, but it's still quite possible that he had an influence. M-Dogg - along with his best friend, Josh Prohibition - jumped CZW to rival XPW in late 2002, for a number of reasons. Among them was unique promotional opportunities that they couldn't obtain elsewhere and - of course - the money issue. Josh was and still is a full-time college student and in a number of his commentaries on his official web site, JoshProhibition.com, cited the fact that he needs as much money as he can get to fund his education, which as we all know costs quite a bit these days. In early 2003, there were some brief discussions that occurred between ROH officials and M-Dogg about M-Dogg replacing Shawn "Hottstuff" Hernandez on an upcoming event. This news item that was broken by former-CZW timekeeper Derek Sobato in an Internet column that he wrote and - interested upon reading the bit - I contacted M-Dogg and two ROH officials and asked each party whether or not there had been talks between the two groups. Although I unfortunately didn't save the quotations between the two, I do vividly remember that M-Dogg told me that yes, he had spoken to some ROH officials about a possible appearance, but that - as he also mentioned - he was probably one of several workers who ROH had contacted about filling Hernandez's spot. Both ROH officials that I asked about the matter told me that no, there had never been any talks between the two parties, that ROH had no interest in bringing in M-Dogg, and also - as one said - that M-Dogg should stop spreading blatantly false rumors. M-Dogg has yet to show up in ROH, despite XPW's folding, but if there were in fact talks between the two, it wouldn't be surprising if the reason that he never appeared in ROH was because of Zandig's political pull. At the time of the incident, CZW and ROH had put aside their differences and - along with 3PW - united against XPW in hopes of forcing them out of Philly. Zandig clearly had no love loss for either M-Dogg or J-Pro, even having The Backseat Boyz do a parody of them to start off the first CZW show after they left the company. Despite their being direct competition for one another, Zandig and ROH officials regularly corresponded over the phone, and Zandig even told me of one of those specific instances in one of my conversations with him. So, pending that there were talks between M-Dogg and ROH, it's not unlikely that the reason the discussions never led to an appearance was because of Zandig urging ROH officials to stop conversing with him. I attempted to contact M-Dogg about the matter to see if he knew whether Zandig had any role, but he was unable to be reached for comment before this article went to print. Before XPW came to the Philly area, there had been quite a bit of heat between CZW and ROH. On the July 15, 2002 CZW show, entitled "Deja Vu," then-CZW wrestler Justice Pain cut a promo (which was cut from the tape) about ROH, challenging any of its wrestlers to come to CZW and fight him the following month. Two days later, ROH booker Gabe Sapolsky posted a statement on the web site of ROH's parent company, RF Video, saying that Pain's promo represented a " grandstand challenge, meaning that CZW had Pain cut the promo trying to punk us out knowing that we won't respond or send a(n) ROH wrestler to fight him." There was never any word released on whether it was Zandig who told Pain to cut the promo or if it was actually Pain's choice to say what he said. It should also be noted that in a shoot interview for SmartMarkVideo.com, CZW wrestler The Messiah - who constantly made derogatory comments about his former employer, XPW, and former boss, Rob Black, on CZW shows in 2002 - specifically stated that those statements that he made were his choice to make, and that Zandig played no part in telling him to say such things. However, there is no doubt that while Zandig gave Messiah the freedom to say whatever he wanted in those promos, the former-XPW wrestler had to get his new boss' permission, since he was mentioning the name of a rival company and promoter. The same permission would've most certainly been necessary in the case with the Pain promo, especially considering that he challenged wrestlers from another company. Such an action is something that obviously wouldn't (and never did) happen and it's therefore very likely that it had the potential to paint CZW in a positive light, since one of it's wrestlers publicly hinted at an interpromotional angle that was never to be. Sapolsky saw it the same way, saying in his press release that "all Zandig did by having Pain cut this promo was set his fans up for disappointment when nothing happens." Before concluding his piece, Sapolsky mentioned that at ROH's June 22 "Road to the Title" event, "one of our wrestlers wanted to cut a promo running down the use of light tubes (a weapon that was and still used on virtually every single CZW show) and stuff like that and we wouldn't let him. Sapolsky position was left to no uncertainty - ROH "[didn't] want a war" with CZW, and instead advised Zandig to "go do [his] product and we do ours. The fans will spend their money on which product is better." Shortly after the Deja Vu promo controversy, The Backseat Boyz (who are scheduled debut for MLW in March) made their ROH debuts, and to this day they're still regular attractions for the promotion. It doesn't appear that that trend will change due to their exit from CZW, either, as none one of their scheduled appearances on upcoming ROH cards have changed since the news of their CZW departure broke. The only alteration in their future schedule is that they won't be competing for CZW anymore, unless their heat with Zandig reduces over time, which is a possibility, but based on the tone of "The Backseat Manifesto," not all that likely to occur anytime soon. The loss of The Backseat Boyz is a major blow to CZW, which has already been suffering from a slump that made his presence known on and off through 2003. Fans on the promotion's message board have been quite vocal about the belief that they're not being provided with the CZW product that they all know and that they once loved so much. Erroneously delivered storylines, a lack of an sufficient undercard, and the loss of major players on the roster over the past year have all had a detrimental effect on the promotin's fan following. Although it may not have to do entirely his fault, John Zandig is the promotion's owner and its primary booker, so he is and will continue to be the guy who's blamed for its defects. Based on past indications, he does in fact seem to have a few flaws when it comes to communicating with his talent and that imperfection of his is apparently damaging the once very close and friendly atmosphere of the CZW lockerroom. Hopefully, The Backseat Boyz' farewell to what was previously considered their "home" promotion will send the necessary message to Zandig and he'll realize that he needs to get his act together if he intends to bring CZW to the promised land, a goal that about a year ago didn't seem quite as unlikely as it does now. The unity of his roster was for so long something that Zandig was able to rest assured upon, and retaining (or reestablishing it, if the kinship has already deteriorated, as indications imply) it therefore should be one of his primary priorities. Let us hope that Zandig realizes that fact and does whatever's required to change it...and sooner rather than later, for the repercussions that CZW could suffer if he disregards his relationship with his talent may very well be something that he'd rather forget, if they do come to fruition. Feedback's welcome. The article should be up on ObsessedWithWrestling.com by tomorrow, I expect, also. People may not believe me, but I am a big CZW fan, and I was therefore planning to also write an article to go up tonight on CZDub.com about the Homicide/Maff vs. H8 Club match scheduled for tonight. I think it should be very interesting to see how the two duos work with each other and it's - at least for me - a potential CZW dream match if booked right. I'm not gonna have time to write it, though, and I don't wanna put up a half assed thing about it, so it's unfortunately not gonna happen (the article - which I have yet to start with only a few hours till the show - won't be posted, anotherwards)

Jerry Lawler, Al Snow, and a couple others still use their WWF"..." screen names.

I've been waiting all day to read this, since I've been sick and therefore out of school. I've read PWInsider's report, TheDDT.com's, and others, and I must say yours is Da Best there is on the net, narrowly beating out the Daniels dude on 411mania.com/wrestling. Keep up the great work, and thanks for getting such a detailed report up less than 24 hours after the show.

No, man, not much argument there, really. Two weeks ago, I would've said I'm being harsh. However, check out my post about the Rob Black interview in the Love, Sex, & Dating Forum and how Dusk flamed me for no apparent reason. I thought that was pretty harsh, and he didn't chill after I asked him to.

I've read it, and find it funny. You can never satisfy some people, including yourself. You've flamed me countless times for no reason, and your making your first post in this thread in order to put me down solidifies that fact. I had NO problem with you WHATSOEVER, until you started repeatedly flaming me for no apparent reason. It's wierd, because no matter how much effort I put into CZDub.com, how much I defend CZW on the ROH board, and how much I plug CZW in Meltzer's online update (look no further than two days ago for the most recent example), CZW fans still hate me. And it's not just wierd...it's unfortunate, that people have to be so ignorant as to not be able to look at someone and realize that they've changed. Highrollar told me he talked to Zandig and that Zandig told him that. Live with it. Blame Highrollar if you want to blame anybody. OMG!?!?!?! I MADE SOME MISTAKES?!??!! OMG! PAIN'S PROMO WAS INCLUDED ON THE TAPE AND I SAID IT WASN'T! WE'RE ALL GONNA DIE!?!?!?!!! AHHHH!!!!! JEFF ROCKER OWNS DCW AND NOT MIDDKNIGHT?!?!!! (actually, MiddKnight coowns it, to the CZWFans faggots; I was right in the first place) As I said, you can never satisfy some people. Well, I guess the fact that my next article is entitled "Adam Flash's upcoming NWA World Heavyweight Title match vs. Jeff Jarrett well deserved for 12-year veteran" means that I hate CZW, right? Zack, thanks for politely criticizing the piece. More people need to learn to be like you and be able to voice their disagreement politely. That's the point of it. I've done nothing Bob Magee, Mike Johnson, Dave Meltzer, whoever doesn't do, and I'm not comparing myself to them either. However, like them, I took a topic and pointed out the flaws in it. Realize this - I could've blindly bashed Zandig. I didn't. First of all, I tried to contact him to comment on the issue. Secondly, I quoted Hamrick and others. I didn't go on my own words. The above piece is twice as accurate and unbias as anything Magee has written about XPW, or Bob Barnett about NWA-TNA.

Webb's first match back in a year was with Juantastico vs. The Stepfamily at PCW UltraKlash. I asked him if he knew Gabe (Juantastico) from Slammers, since he trained there, but as I expected, he said he missed Gabe by a few months. Webb left for SCCW with D, Kleinrock, Hernandez, Jimmy, Steele, etc., and that Carlito was the only one who stayed behind, so he was the one who trained Angel and Juantastico, both of whom he says he therefore first met in XPW, not in Slammers. One of the most interesting parts of the interview was Webb's insight about the changes he saw upon returning. He referenced to how XPW would run shows in front of drunk old men who would throw drinks or pennies at you, and that when he returned, the crowds had wisened up. No longer did they boo good wrestling; he said that Dynamite D would be having a great wrestling match in XPW with someone and would be booed like mad, since the fans all wanted blood. Now, the fams respect good wrestling and have learned to appreciate such a thing. I asked him if Aaron Proctor, PCW's owner, called him up about returning, or if Webb made the contact. He said no - he got hooked up with the PCW spot by Mace, PCW's booker. Mace worked as Kaos 1 in SCCW, and that he knew him from there, so he called him up and Mace got him the spot on the PCW show. He trained at the Rev. Pro dojo a lot in order to get off the ring rust that he had. Like I said, his insight about the changes in the fans was very interesting. Before I forget...Webb talked about his "Elvis" gimmick that he adopted once he won the XPW title. He said that the Elvis gimmick was only supposed to be for one show, but it stuck. He used it for several months, although it eventually got boring and he dropped it. He says that he came up with the White Trash gimmick and the Elvis gimmick, and that like anything, both eventually got boring, so he dumped them. Now, he has a new gimmick. He also says that now, he tries to work when shows when he can, and that it's a lot easier than it once was. He doesn't have to commute like he did for Slammers and the fans respect what the wrestlers do, now. His initial impressions on Viking Hall - like so many others, he thought it was a dump, but said that a lot of old ECW fans saw it as more than that. He mentioned how the building has featured many tables be broken and something about a pile of tables that I didn't really understand. Also, Webb confirmed what others have said - most of the late 2001 and early 2002 XPW shows were booked on a fly. He would get to the arena and so would everyone else and they'd be told what they'd be doing that night. Also before I forget...Webb first met a lot of the Revolution Pro guys he knows now when he was in the IWF back in '98/'99. I hope to talk to Webb again, although nothing's set in stone. Post questions you want me to ask him if that happens. A more formalized recap of this interview will be posted soon. This and SO much more will all be revealed later this year, when the biggest retrospective on any indy promotion in US history will be featured...The Roots, The Formation, The Rise, and The Fall of Xtreme Pro Wrestling. Featuring contributions from GQ Money, Johnny Webb, Verne Langdon, Chris Hamrick, Mike Modest, Josh Prohibition, M-Dogg 20, and others. Others I'm in the process of contacting to see if they'll contribute are JR Benson, Vic Grimes, Rob Black, Kevin Kleinrock, Danny Doring, Simon Diamond, and more. Coming soon...part 3 of my interview with GQ Money, exclusive never before seen photos of Kaos, Messiah, Angel, Webb, Jimmy, and others, and so much more, as the fifth anniversary of XPW's debut show approaches. You'll learn shit you never knew happened. I thank Webb for his time, and for bearing with my disorganization that was quite evident during the interview...LOL. To keep up with Webb's wrestling endeavors, visit SoCalUncensored.com.

At the next show, Scene of the Crime, he worked Pogo the Clown, although it was just a short schmoz, with the purpose of having TOOL's manager, Luis Cypher, kidnap Jessica Darlin, and then Webb chased them backstage. Redemption: Kaos vs. Webb. Deathmatch. Webb said he would've liked to have had more time for the match, but that it was still fun. Then comes the complicated part...Damage Inc. Webb says that it was no secret that Messiah and Rob Black didn't get along. They just got to a point where they didn't like each other. He seemed to hesitantly imply a reference to Messiah fucking Lizzy Borden, but I may've just inferred that out of curiosity. At the show, Webb dressed like Black and ran out during the tag match with Black, Sabu, and Lazie. He said that the plan was for him to do the same thing, but with the match featuring Messiah. When Billy left, though, they kept the same booking philosophy and Webb ran out and won the title from Sabu. He didn't really agree with GQ Money's statement that everyone was scrambling the morning of the show to get a video done about Messiah going to heaven, since they knew he had left XPW. Webb says that they knew he left and that they had sufficient time to prepare the video. Webb reminds me that during this time, his knee injury was fucking killing him, an that every single match was a battle. He worked with Sandman and Vampiro the next couple of shows, and said they were cool guys, but didn't go into it more than that, like he tended to do a lot of the time when asked about specific guys. He worked with GQ Money at Free Fall, and said that the match was short and meant to be a joke, and with the Scaffold match later on, nobody gave two shits about the match. At Genocide came the infamous Wargames cage match. He agreed with GQ, saying the match really was unsafe. The cage was terribly built, and when he went to grab Kaos, who was climbing on its ceiling, he ended up breaking a bunch of the cage ceiling. He says that for GQ and Angel, it must've been even scarier, since they were on the fuckin top of the cage and took SICK bumps off of the top of it. He emphathizes how badly built the cage was. I forgot to mention how much Webb loved the match with Nosawa. He says he still puts the tape in every now and then and likes the match. He said that at the moment he were talking, he couldn't think of a match he liked more than it. It was probably his favorite match he's ever been in. His second favorite match was vs. Terry Funk at LOD. He puts over Funk repeatedly, saying that "what you see is what you get." Funk treats everybody the same; it doesn't matter if you're a jobber or a main eventer. He's as nice and as real as they come. He said that he loved the match he had with the Funkster, and best of all, his knee - which had been fucking killing him for the last several months - gave him absolutely no pain in the match, which was a welcomed relief. He said it was an honor to work with Funk and that he treated him very well. He calls the match a "miracle day" because the knee injury didn't bother him, which he had feared it would His last match in XPW was vs. Shane Douglas. He said Douglas winning the title was a long time in the works. Even during Douglas' first run in XPW in 2000, Rob Black wanted to eventually build to him winning the title. Before I forget - I asked him if he was asked to go to Japan for FMW, or if it was only Pogo, Supreme, and Jimmy who were asked. He said he got asked to do many things for XPW, including working the Gathering of the Juggalos 2001, to which he turned down and gave his spot to Kaos. After his match with Douglas, he got knee surgery, which he badly needed because his knee was horrible, even though it didn't bother him during his match vs. Funk. "They cut off a piece of my hamstring" and he therefore now was one old knee and one new knee (the new one being the one he got the surgery on). He hasn't had any problems with the knee since, but when it was hurting him back in '01 and '02, it was REALLY hurting him. Little known fact: Webb attended virtually all of the Viking Hall shows. He made it a point to emphathize that everything you saw on XPW TV - whether it was in 2000 or 2002 - was his work, and I can testify that other workers have also said that that's true. He sat in the production truck all night sometimes, just to edit the video. He said that his last show was the NYR 3 doubleshot, and that it was because of the overwhelming hard work his out of the ring job of editing XPW video entailed that he finally had to leave XPW...that, and he and Rob Black didn't get along. He says that a lot of people didn't get along with Rob, but that by NYR, they just couldn't work with each other anymore, and that's why they parted ways. He said that he was incredibly grateful for the opportunities Rob gave him, however. Coming in the next few minutes - returning to wrestling...

Webb said he enjoyed his series of matches with The Messiah. Regarding his role in the first KOTDM tournament, he said he had worked death matches before and was relatively accustomed to the hardcore stuff, although he did provide some interesting insight about thumb tacks later in the interview, which I'll soon describe. Webb also worked with John Kronus several times. He said that Kronus had "big balls" and personified "craziness." He enjoyed working with him. Webb talked about working with porno star Jessica Darlin. He mentioned that she was nice, but that she really wasn't cut out for wrestling. She was always nervous and really seemed to be - as he put it - "thrust into a new world" very suddenly. She was therefore quite shy. He was very happy that his XPW TV segments with her came out as hilarious as they did, but said that while she was nice, wrestling just wasn't her thing. Then came HeatWave... This part of the interview was especially interesting. Webb was at the show. He says that ECW "was expecting us." They flew out Viking Hall's Atlas Security, which - as so many have failed to point out - they didn't have to do...they could've just used the GOA security, but they didn't. Webb says that ECW had a plan going in. He said he had a front row seat with Messiah, Kaos, and others, but that Kris Kloss desparately wanted a front row seat, so he gave up the seat and Kloss said he'd let him sit there later in the night, but never got the chance to offer it up because the incident happened so quickly. He sat several rows up next to Chronic of the Westside NGZ and some others, and remembers that right before the altercation began, he was going to go down to the front row and ask Kloss for his seat back. A security member, though, was right behind him and told him not to even think about getting out of his seat. Once the altercation began, he remembers that he ran outside and found out that Kaos and Messiah had already left, having been whisked away in the limo right when inklings of fighting began to show. He remembers that he ended up outside and cites that several ECW guys grabbed XPW ring crew members and were throwing them up against fences. In an interesting tidbit, he remembers seeing New Jack for the first time standing outside on crutches. He mentions that that was his first runin with New Jack, and there were no problems. He said he didn't remember Jack using the crutches to beat on anyone, as the Original Gangsta later bragged in interviews, but just remembers how the two looked at each other, and made a point that it was his first runin with New Jack, like I said. Fuck, I wish this goddamn tape recorder had worked. Go Funk Yourself was about a week later. He said that Homeless Jimmy was supposed to do a complete back flip and take the Spider German Suplex by going chest first through the table, but that he didn't complete the flip. Webb said he never was concerned about Jimmy and knew he was alright, because "if you knew Jimmy like I did," you knew nothing could hurt him. Webb talked about Terry Funk later in the interview. Funk worked Sabu at GFY. Webb compares Funk's match with Sabu vs. his match with Shane Douglas at Hostile Takeover. He says that at GFY, there was a ton of cameraman backstage to film the guys as they came backstage (none of that footage is on the tape), and remembers that Funk always stayed in camera when he saw such things. He says that Sabu was probably used to having cameras on him a lot, but that Douglas probably wasn't (I know this is confusing). He says that at HTO, there were also a lot of cameras backstage and made it a point to emphathize that this is ONLY HIS opinion, and JUST an opinion...but that he thinks that Douglas may've been overwhelmed by all of the cameras being pointed right in his face when he came backstage and that that's why he and Funk had the altercation. Funk was used to cameras in his face, like Webb mentioned, but he doesn't think Douglas was, but again emphathized that that was only his opinion. He says that Webb and Douglas argued and then started going at it in a "pull apart" brawl, and the wrestlers and crew had to break them up. Back to 2000...actually, that's about it for '00. Onto '01... I really enjoyed his insight about the second KOTDM. In the first round, he worked Nosawa, and said the match ame off really well. This part was very interesting. He said he didn't speak Japanese but that he did speak Spanish, and so did Nosawa, so before the match they were talking in "broken Spanish" and using that to put the match together, since that was their only language commonality. He says the match was very good, and when I asked him about whether he thought it was hard to work with non-American talent or if he thought wrestling was a universal languag, he seemed to pick the latter. He explained that regardless of who you're working with, you're gonna go out there and put a match together, whether it be by laying it out beforehand or improbbing the whole thing. He says you'll figure out a way to "mime your intentions," regardless of what nationality your opponent is. In the tourney's second round, he worked Supreme, who was at the time working an anti-hardcore gimmick. He says that he took an incredibly sick bump in that match, where he got Super Huracarana'd into a pile of thumb tacks. He explains that when you're working with tacks, you don't just fall ONTO them, you fuckin "Slide" over them, and so it's an especially unfavorable experience. I ask him about his match with Nosawa's partner, Kikuzawa, at the show following the KOTDM, and he explains that Nosawa was the one who communicated between the two (the match has yet to see the light of day, although it's said to be decent). He communicated what each was saying they wanted to do before the match and they then went out and used what Nosawa told them, pretty much.