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    Man, anyone who rips on Rhiad hasn't heard the final mix. That shit is a fucking tornado.

     

    And you've heard the final mix? The version that is going to be on the album? Or are you talking about the one that leaked? Because if you are, that isn't a very good song. I think most people who are creaming over the leaks even admit that it blows.

     

    I never liked it until I heard the leak. I dunno, it's got an "Immigrant Song" type vibe going on....could go either way depending on the final mix. Still better and more original then anything Revolver did though.

     

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    Name me a Slash solo that someone else who has been in GNR, Finck, Buckethead, Ron Thal, Richard Fortus, hasn't found a way to make better. Because they are simplistic.

     

    This is just so stupid. So so so stupid. I mean, I don't know where we can really go from here. You would obviously rather listen to shitty guitarists like Robin Finck and Bumblefoot, so I think this part of the discussion is pretty much over.

     

    If you honestly think Velvet Revolver is better then the new GNR songs, I can't even argue with you anymore. You're just too far gone. That's so ridiculous, it's....well ridiculous. Just an atrocious band, so much weaker then I expected. And bag on Axl taking so long as much as you want. Scott Weiland, now there's a guy whose well is dry. Terrible lyrics

     

    Please enlighten me on what makes Axl's new songs SO much better than Velvet Revolver. I realize you think they are mind-blowing, earth shattering stuff, but please understand that the only people who really think that are you and posters on MyGNRForum.

     

    Democracy will outsell Revolver's first album with it's first week of sales.....ok, maybe not that much, but I guarantee within a month. And "Fall To Pieces" was so unbearingly embarrassing, just....wow.....I have to stop. I can literally feel my face getting hot. Terrible....awful, just an utter abortion of a song. I think Weiland and/or Duff had the balls to call that their "Sweet Child." Ridiculous.....

     

    I don't particularly like Fall to Pieces either, but I was just talking strictly about commercial success. Axl won't have that kind of success with whatever singles he releases. I mean, Chinese Democracy was a fucking god awful single choice. One of the worst new songs they've got.

     

    Velvet Revolver's worst songs aren't anywhere near as bad as nuGNR's worst songs (Silkworms, Oh My God, Rhiad, etc.)

     

    Again, no one has ever heard what Paul Huge has had to contribute. They are just going on what bitter former members, Slash, Matt Sorum, have had to say. Unless you've played with Huge personally, of course....

     

    Thankfully, we'll probably never hear it because of the revolving door of shitty musicians that Axl has had in there. Although, someone shittier like Robin Finck or something probably took his place so it's a lose-lose situation for the listeners.

     

     

    You're right there is nowhere else to go. My prejudice against Slash, your prejudice against guys like Finck and Thal....pointless discussion.

     

    Democracy is killing on the radio......http://www.antimusic.com/news/08/oct/27GNRs_Chinese_Democracy_A_Radio_Hit.shtml

     

     

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    Yes, I think that's about the best way to put it really. Bury the hatchet, fellas. Dig up Izzy wherever he is, Duff will follow Slash anywhere he goes, Sorum's kind of a scumbag but if you want him, go for it. THAT'S the album that is going to set high sales.

     

     

    It probably would, but I don't think it would be better, musically, then "Democracy." Would be several steps back.

     

    And Izzy toured with the new band in '06 and '07.

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    Put me down as being underwhelmed by Velvet Revolver...the only song of theirs I have in my mp3 player is "Headspace". There's no way in hell I'd put any of their songs ahead of ANY GnR song not called "My World"....well maybe "Bad Apples" as well.

     

    Fall to Pieces is definitely terrible...he says some form of the word "fall" about 80 billion times throughout the song. Kinda disappointing song writing when you consider some of the BIZARRE lyrics Weiland can come up with (like the entire Tiny Gifts album).

     

    I don't agree with Slash being boring and unoriginal and what not, though. He has a distinct sound that might not be super-flashy, but it's good and it works for him.

     

     

    Fall to pieces

    I'm fallin'

    Fell to pieces and I'm

    Still fallin

    Everytime I'm fallin down

    All alone I fall to pieces

     

    Jesus Christ.....

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    Trust me, if Velvet Revolver or Slash's Snakepit had been any good, I would've been the first to celebrate it. The old band, and it's members, were my favorite. Until I heard how good the new band was. And how terrible Slash's efforts were. It's not an example of "swinging from Axl's balls" or whatever. It's called taste.

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    A. I don't like him. He's a putz who will jump onstage with anyone. It's embarrassing. Even more embarrassing is his recent attempts to kiss Axl's ass after years of badmouthing him. After the very very low sales of Revolver's second album? Of course he thinks Axl is a genius now.

     

    He's a guitarist. He plays guitar with people. What is he supposed to do, sit in his bedroom for 15 years like Axl Rose? Why is it anyone's business? He's playing music and expanding his brand name. How is it any more "whorish" than Axl slapping the GNR name on fucking shot glasses and keychains and coffee mugs and cigarette lighters like he's fucking Gene Simmons or something? It's a much more subtle way of "whoring yourself out"...or, as I prefer to call it, MAKING MONEY.

     

    B. Slash sounds the same on everything. Open your ears. Sure, it worked for Appetite, and his "Estranged" solo on UYI II was great. But the guy's never shown any will to evolve. It's like he has "Generic Slash Solos" # 1-5 in his arsenal, and he uses them over and over. It puts me to sleep.

     

    Find me a Slash solo that sounds like November Rain. Or Sweet Child O'Mine. Or Don't Cry. Or Rocket Queen. Or Coma. Or Street Child. Want to get more recent? How about American Man? Or Gravedancer? You can't find other Slash solos like them, because they don't exist. You're talking out of your ass here.

     

    C. "“At first I thought that I would never listen to it until it’s released, but someone handed it to me and I was in my car and I was like, ‘Okay, let’s give it a try.’ So I listened to it: It’s a really good record. It’s very different from what the original Guns N’ Roses sounded like, but it’s a great statement by Axl. Now you understand where he was heading all this time. It’s a record that the original Guns N’ Roses could never possibly make. And at the same time it just shows you how brilliant Axl is. So it was a relief for me to actually hear it.”-Slash.

     

    What does that have to do with the original GNR? It's a record the original group could never make because they would have never put out something so unbearably shitty.

     

    Why didn't you paste the quote from that MTV interview with Kurt Loder where Axl says Chinese Democracy started out as an attempt to make another Appetite-style album, but he had to scrap that because he couldn't find anyone like Slash.

     

    What does that tell you about how much he meant to the band?

     

    D. You're retarded. Again, Snakepit and Revolver were much more of an embarrassment to the GNR name then any mistakes Axl has made....and YES, I know that is saying alot. That's the point. And you're wrong. Even "Rhiad" or "Democracy", IMO two of the weaker songs on the new album, blow away anything Slash has had his name on.

     

    Snakepit was a decent band. I don't really take it for anymore than what it was. Slash wasn't trying to reinvent the wheel or anything, he was just having fun playing music with his friends.

     

    Most Velvet Revolver songs are better than the Chinese Democracy songs I've heard. In fact, I'd wager that Chinese Democracy won't even have the commercial success Contraband had. I doubt it will sell as well nor will it have two No. 1 singles like Contraband did. And frankly, I thought Contraband sucked compared to Libertad, despite the lack of sales for the latter.

     

    E. http://heretodaygonetohell.com/articles/sh...hp?articleid=30 And Shaq wandered into a studio that had Dizzy Reed and Paul Huge working, I think. It said GNR on the door, but I highly doubt Axl was trying to secure the guy to a contact so he could appear on the album.

     

    Working with Paul Huge is as bad as working with anyone you can whine about Slash working with.

     

     

    Slash played with Fergie. And shit, I think Blackstreet. Again, it's an embarrassment. Axl cares more about making music that means something, rather then putting his name on any old piece of shit. Perfectionist, ok. Nuts, probably. But the fact is, the time it took for this to come out makes it, and the band name, far more important then if he'd tossed out 3 or 4 albums in the same time period.

     

    Name me a Slash solo that someone else who has been in GNR, Finck, Buckethead, Ron Thal, Richard Fortus, hasn't found a way to make better. Because they are simplistic. Sure they are, or were, original, yeah. Slash has his own sound. But a little evolving wouldn't have killed him. Playing the same shit, however, HAS killed him. Unless you play Guitar Hero.

     

    If you honestly think Velvet Revolver is better then the new GNR songs, I can't even argue with you anymore. You're just too far gone. That's so ridiculous, it's....well ridiculous. Just an atrocious band, so much weaker then I expected. And bag on Axl taking so long as much as you want. Scott Weiland, now there's a guy whose well is dry. Terrible lyrics.

     

    Democracy will outsell Revolver's first album with it's first week of sales.....ok, maybe not that much, but I guarantee within a month. And "Fall To Pieces" was so unbearingly embarrassing, just....wow.....I have to stop. I can literally feel my face getting hot. Terrible....awful, just an utter abortion of a song. I think Weiland and/or Duff had the balls to call that their "Sweet Child." Ridiculous.....

     

    Again, no one has ever heard what Paul Huge has had to contribute. They are just going on what bitter former members, Slash, Matt Sorum, have had to say. Unless you've played with Huge personally, of course....

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    A. I don't like him. He's a putz who will jump onstage with anyone. It's embarrassing. Even more embarrassing is his recent attempts to kiss Axl's ass after years of badmouthing him. After the very very low sales of Revolver's second album? Of course he thinks Axl is a genius now.

     

    B. Slash sounds the same on everything. Open your ears. Sure, it worked for Appetite, and his "Estranged" solo on UYI II was great. But the guy's never shown any will to evolve. It's like he has "Generic Slash Solos" # 1-5 in his arsenal, and he uses them over and over. It puts me to sleep.

     

    C. "“At first I thought that I would never listen to it until it’s released, but someone handed it to me and I was in my car and I was like, ‘Okay, let’s give it a try.’ So I listened to it: It’s a really good record. It’s very different from what the original Guns N’ Roses sounded like, but it’s a great statement by Axl. Now you understand where he was heading all this time. It’s a record that the original Guns N’ Roses could never possibly make. And at the same time it just shows you how brilliant Axl is. So it was a relief for me to actually hear it.”-Slash.

     

    D. You're retarded. Again, Snakepit and Revolver were much more of an embarrassment to the GNR name then any mistakes Axl has made....and YES, I know that is saying alot. That's the point. And you're wrong. Even "Rhiad" or "Democracy", IMO two of the weaker songs on the new album, blow away anything Slash has had his name on.

     

    E. http://heretodaygonetohell.com/articles/sh...hp?articleid=30 And Shaq wandered into a studio that had Dizzy Reed and Paul Huge working, I think. It said GNR on the door, but I highly doubt Axl was trying to secure the guy to a contact so he could appear on the album.

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    I'm actually really bothered by the criticism....were people really happy with the decade of Creed, Linkin Park and Nickleback dominating the airwaves? Seriously?

    If you're "bothered by the criticism," you're an idiot. You didn't make the album.

     

    Perhaps, sure. But I'm such a big fan it irritates me that no one is even going to give it a chance.

    Lots of people are going to give it a chance. And then there are a lot who will assume it sucks just because Slash isn't in the band. And that's unfortunate, but how often has there been a successful band where the singer dumped all his bandmates (or they left, whatever, I'm not going to put all the blame on Axl but I think most should fall on him) and the band was still just as artistically and commercially viable? And especially when one of those bandmates is someone as renowned as Slash, who is identified with GNR just as much as Axl is, it's not surprising that people would be skeptical. And on top of that, when the album has taken so long to come out, isn't it natural that people will have high expectations? Granted, those expectations are mostly the product of media hype since Axl has usually reminded fans in his rare comments on it that "it's just an album." But when you take that long, people are going to expect something on par with the band's most celebrated works. And while I really like the song "Chinese Democracy", do you think it will be a classic rock mainstay in twenty years the way the three hit singles from Appetite are now? I highly doubt it.

     

    Plus, it's Axl Rose. People have been loving to hate him for the past twenty years. All that combined is going to lead to a large dose of negativity for whatever he does in the future short of reuniting the old band.

     

     

    I think "Better" and "The Blues/Street Of Dreams" have a shot at that type of longevity, sure.

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    I'm actually really bothered by the criticism....were people really happy with the decade of Creed, Linkin Park and Nickleback dominating the airwaves? Seriously?

    If you're "bothered by the criticism," you're an idiot. You didn't make the album.

     

    Perhaps, sure. But I'm such a big fan it irritates me that no one is even going to give it a chance.

    Lots of people are going to give it a chance. And then there are a lot who will assume it sucks just because Slash isn't in the band. And that's unfortunate, but how often has there been a successful band where the singer dumped all his bandmates (or they left, whatever, I'm not going to put all the blame on Axl but I think most should fall on him) and the band was still just as artistically and commercially viable? And especially when one of those bandmates is someone as renowned as Slash, who is identified with GNR just as much as Axl is, it's not surprising that people would be skeptical. And on top of that, when the album has taken so long to come out, isn't it natural that people will have high expectations? Granted, those expectations are mostly the product of media hype since Axl has usually reminded fans in his rare comments on it that "it's just an album." But when you take that long, people are going to expect something on par with the band's most celebrated works. And while I really like the song "Chinese Democracy", do you think it will be a classic rock mainstay in twenty years the way the three hit singles from Appetite are now? I highly doubt it.

     

    Plus, it's Axl Rose. People have been loving to hate him for the past twenty years. All that combined is going to lead to a large dose of negativity for whatever he does in the future short of reuniting the old band.

     

     

    I just have to say, "renowned as Slash"?

     

    Just cause he's not as big a dick as Axl doesn't mean that the Snakepit and Velvet Revolver haven't absolutely sucked balls....since when are nice guys supposed to win in rock n roll anyways?

    Are you arguing that Slash is not a popular figure in rock? That most fans of Guns N' Roses (putting aside the Axl loyalists on certain message boards) do not hold him in high regard? That he did not have a great deal of influence on he band's sound? Come on now.

     

    He's popular, but I have no idea why. Most of his playing and solos are exactly the same, and his attempts at music since GNR...well I've already gone over them. It was Axl's voice, attitude and lyrics that made GNR. Slash is a cartoon character sure, but it's like Axl said....

     

    "Basically, to me, it was because I am watching this guy and I don't understand it. Playing with everyone from Space Ghost to Michael Jackson. I don't get it. I wanted the world to love and respect him. I just watched him throw it away.''"

     

    Slash is a whore.

     

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    I'm actually really bothered by the criticism....were people really happy with the decade of Creed, Linkin Park and Nickleback dominating the airwaves? Seriously?

    If you're "bothered by the criticism," you're an idiot. You didn't make the album.

     

    Perhaps, sure. But I'm such a big fan it irritates me that no one is even going to give it a chance.

    Lots of people are going to give it a chance. And then there are a lot who will assume it sucks just because Slash isn't in the band. And that's unfortunate, but how often has there been a successful band where the singer dumped all his bandmates (or they left, whatever, I'm not going to put all the blame on Axl but I think most should fall on him) and the band was still just as artistically and commercially viable? And especially when one of those bandmates is someone as renowned as Slash, who is identified with GNR just as much as Axl is, it's not surprising that people would be skeptical. And on top of that, when the album has taken so long to come out, isn't it natural that people will have high expectations? Granted, those expectations are mostly the product of media hype since Axl has usually reminded fans in his rare comments on it that "it's just an album." But when you take that long, people are going to expect something on par with the band's most celebrated works. And while I really like the song "Chinese Democracy", do you think it will be a classic rock mainstay in twenty years the way the three hit singles from Appetite are now? I highly doubt it.

     

    Plus, it's Axl Rose. People have been loving to hate him for the past twenty years. All that combined is going to lead to a large dose of negativity for whatever he does in the future short of reuniting the old band.

     

     

    I just have to say, "renowned as Slash"?

     

    Just cause he's not as big a dick as Axl doesn't mean that the Snakepit and Velvet Revolver haven't absolutely sucked balls....since when are nice guys supposed to win in rock n roll anyways?

     

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    I'm actually really bothered by the criticism....were people really happy with the decade of Creed, Linkin Park and Nickleback dominating the airwaves? Seriously?

    If you're "bothered by the criticism," you're an idiot. You didn't make the album.

     

    Perhaps, sure. But I'm such a big fan it irritates me that no one is even going to give it a chance.

     

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    From the LA Times (review)

     

    "Snap judgment: Guns N' Roses' 'Chinese Democracy' (single)

     

    "Chinese Democracy," the first single from the ridiculously long-awaited Guns N' Roses album of the same name, is out, and can be heard below.

     

    Here are some thoughts the song inspired early this morning.

     

    No pop star has built a fortress as maze-filled and iron-clad as one W. Axl Rose. Not Michael Jackson, whose retreat was forced by scandal as much as by artistic crisis, and who seems ever more weakened by his reputation's slide. Not Zack de la Rocha, who (like Rose) went down countless collaborative roads before revamping the Rage Against the Machine template with his new project, One Day As a Lion. Not Garth Brooks, who also turned hermit, but craved the crowds too much to stay inside.

     

    Rose, the most ambitious hard rocker of the late 20th century -- shout-outs to your Trents and your Bonos, but Axl is the most vividly driven -- essentially quarantined the Guns N' Roses brand for 15 years -- unable, perhaps, to reconcile the sounds in his head with what is humanly possible. "Chinese Democracy," the title track from the album finally coming out in a month, hits like an offering pushed through a crack in a locked gate, hinting that those sounds, never completely apprehended, have now coalesced into something Rose can face.

     

    The sound is murky, ugly and evocative of a dark cityscape; you could call it "Blade Runner rock," because like that 1982 film, it's a very dirty vision of the future. Siren-like effects kick off the track, and then a slicing guitar riff (courtesy of Robin Finck, perhaps, or Buckethead -- the credits should be clarified whenever Rose deigns to do so) punctuated by squiggling, pedal-heavy licks, sets up Rose's multiple-tracked vocal.

     

    "It don't really matter," he sings. "You'll find out for yourself." As the cryptic verses unfold, it becomes clear that this is one of Rose's songs from inside the cage of fame, attacking external forces he despises but can't ignore or repel. Like "Get in the Ring" or "You Could Be Mine," this is Rose as the nastiest kind of punk.

     

    On one level, it's a protest song about Chinese state oppression. More important, it's a spit back at the audience that's been waiting for what has to be a masterpiece, if Rose is to survive artistically.

     

    The song builds like bile. It doesn't behave the way radio-friendly singles usually do. The chorus is just an extension of the verses, rising a little in pitch and compression. There isn't really a proper hook; the sweet release that Slash's solos always brought to the mix never comes. But the refrain sticks after several listens.

     

    "It would take a lot more..." is the key phrase, the one that Rose sings in still-powerful mid-range. More hate, more time. (There's a weird reference to masturbation too, that will have critics and possibly 12-year-olds snickering for a while.) These are the points when the song sounds the most like Nine Inch Nails -- a shot of aggression that somehow contains its own alienated retreat.

     

    "Chinese Democracy" also recalls "I'm Afraid of Americans," David Bowie's 1997 foray with NIN. Both songs have a suffocated quality, as if their makers are pushing through smoke to express these thoughts. It's the sound of florid, romantic rockers aiming for something cold and modern.

     

    But Rose can never really be cold. He's a Heat Miser -- whatever he touches starts to melt in his clutch. That's why these paranoid rockers never quite satisfy the way his grandiose ballads can. As real as Rose's anger may be, in song it starts to feel overly put on, in need of a sweeping chorus (or Slash-like ringing solo) to relieve the tension of the pose.

     

    Still, for all the pooh-poohing this song will inevitably earn because it's just been too long in coming to fulfill all hopes, "Chinese Democracy" brings back a passionate weirdness that the hard rock airwaves have lacked. However overwrought or undercooked the whole album may be, it's good to have this mad king venturing forth over his moat.

     

    -- Ann Powers"

     

    http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/music_blog...p-star-has.html

     

     

    See, now that's a fantastic review....

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