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1)Austin vs Rock wm 17 32)hhh vs jericho fully loaded 00 49)hbk/austin vs owen/buldog raw 5/26/97 17)flair vs steamboat chi-town rumble 8)hbk vs foley mind games 40)austin vs hhh no way out 01 56)rey/edge vs angle/benoit smackdown 2/3 falls 41)spanky-low ki-williams-danielson 7/27/02 61)flair vs windham battle of the belts 2 29)pilman vs liger superbrawl 2 13)hbk vs undertaker bad blood 97 45)blanchard vs magnum ta starcade 85 5)bret vs owen wm10 28)flair vs funk clash 9 53)ohtani vs eddie starcade 95 44)eddie vs lesnar no way out 04 3)rey vs eddie halloween havoc 97 31)flair vs steamboat wrestlewar 89 15)bret vs owen summerslam 94 46)flair vs savage wm8 58)bret vs vader vs austin vs undertaker final four 27)eddie/art barr vs octagon/santo when worlds collide 11)hhh vs rock judgement day 00 23)benoit vs jericho rumble 01 22)10 man tag canadian stampede 55)benoit vs raven souled out 98 26)london vs danielson 4/12/03 6)hhh vs hbk vs benoit wm20 47)owen vs buldog 2/26/97 51)rey/edge vs angle/benoit no mercy 02 35)rey vs ultimo dragon world war 3 96 2)bret vs austin survivor series 96

I just finished the Trainjob - Niska is one of the coolest guys ever. Not quite as good an episode as Serenity but still some damn mighty fine TV. My favorite quote is from Jayne AKA Mr. Fucking Awesome: "Do you know the chain of command? It's the chain I beat you with to show you who is in command." I'm going to watch Bushwacked soon and post about it here. Reading though this thread, though, I am sad I didn't buy the DVD when I first heard you pimp it RRR (I even posted on page 1). I missed out on some damn fine discussion.

What reason do they have to care about them? Maybe if they were actually used once in a while people would care. Exactly. If they haven't been given a chance, of course they won't be over.

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Certainly it is better wrestling wise than in 1998, and it could be argued that the storylines are better as well. I disagree with you saying Raw usually gets two *** matches, but I don't want to get into another star argument right now so I'll leave it at that. Your last paragraph is pretty much my opinion (the "solid" part).

HHH/HBK. As much as I hate to say it, in storyline terms this is THE match and has been built up to far better than Benoit/Kane.

I don't think Raw is that great, really. It's far better than it was in 2002/2003, but that doesn't make it great. Decent? Sure. But nowhere near what they are capable of doing.

I thought about looking through the Fanattics, but they were just swamped and I knew I would end up buying something I didn't need if I went in. Did you watch either of the away games in the Dome? I went on Thursday. Tons of fun.

I was at the game (third row in the corner, a few seats away from Goldberg - don't know if he was mentioned on TV but he did an interview during a commercial break for the crowd. Surprisingly nice guy) and holy crap did Calgary smother Tampa. Just all over them. Fun (and loud) game.

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I barely care about WWE anymore, but I still live and breathe wrestling. Wrestling doesn't begin and end with WWE.

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Ah, I read incorrectly. I thought you said you didn't watch UNTIL 98. Sorry about that.

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Except I gave reasons and examples. Name ONE good Sting match since 99. I didn't watch WCW after 1998 except maybe a random Nitro now and then in 2000-01, and none had Sting matches. His matches vs. Jarrett in TNA and from the WWA PPV were good IMO. Just because I think they're good maybe someone else doesn't. I'm not Mr. Answer, I have opinions, sometimes people agree, sometimes they don't. If everyone agreed about everything, what fun is therE? Just repeating the same nonsense? So you are admitting you haven't seen most of his work? As for the TNA match vs Sting (I have not seen the WWA one), I hated that. It was short and both men were exhausted quickly and thus it was slow as hell. There was no actual story told and poor offense by both men, with weak brawling that goes nowhere taking up lots of time. The interference at the end is cliche and expected. Very bad match. Please explain why you liked it.

Except I gave reasons and examples. Name ONE good Sting match since 99.

Can we say overbooked to hell? Is spelling really that tough?

Especially since he was friends with the son of VADER. Anyways yeah, happy birthday Quinny.

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My god this show sucked. I was hoping since it would be a cruiser based show it would be good. Nope. Best match was Daniels/Skipper vs Devine/Rude. Devine is great in Stampede, I really wish he would get a bigger shot in TNA. I'd call it like **. Bad show.

Bob Barnett recently made a comp of the two. http://www.bobbarnett.com/

I hate you Rudo. So much. I want you dead. I want your family dead. I want your cat and dog and fish dead. I hate you. I read this thread, and I hate you now. Your love of this show has forced me to buy the DVD set. I just watched Serenity (both parts) and I have a new obsession, one that undoubtedly is going to eat me up as I cannot get enough of this show now. I finished Serenity about 20 minutes ago and I still can't get how awesome it was out of my head. Buffy? Who cares? Angel? Not quite. WRESTLING? Nope. Firefly? BAD ASS-EST THING EVER. Rudo, I hate you so much. So very, very much. "Yes, this is a fertile land. And we shall rule over it and call it...umm, this land." "10 percent of nothing is...let me do the math. Nothing, and nothing, carry the nothing..." Almost everything said is stuck in my mind. I hate it I hate it I hate it I hate it I hate it I hate it SO MUCH. I love it. Off to the Trainjob...

I've been on 17th Ave (the party street, basically) and it is slut city. Woot~!

I don't have any actual formal lists, but these are some of my favorites from both continents off the top of my head. And, just to say, I think we should mix up the two groups and have some puro vs puro, NA vs NA, NA vs Puro, a big mix instead of puro vs puro and NA vs NA all the way through. I may edit this post later if I forget any (which I am sure I will). All of these matches I would consider ****1/4+. North America Ultimo Dragon vs Rey Misterio Jr, World War 3 1996 Bret Hart vs Steve Austin, Survivor Series 1996 Paul London vs Bryan Danielson, ROH 4/12/03 Rey Misterio Jr vs Eddy Guerrero, Halloween Havoc 1997 Ricky Steamboat vs Lex Luger, Great American Bash 1989 War Games, Great American Bash 1989 Chris Benoit vs Chris Jericho, Fall Brawl 1996 Chris Benoit vs Chris Jericho, Royal Rumble 2001 Eddy Guerrero vs Brock Lesnar, No Way Out 2004 Chris Jericho vs Shane Douglas vs 2 Cold Scorpio vs Pitbull 2, ECW Heatwave(?) 1996 Eddy Guerrero vs Shinjiro Ohtani, Starcade 1995 Chris Benoit and Dean Malenko vs Raven and Saturn, Spring Stampede 1999 Magnum TA vs Tully Blanchard, Starcade 1985 Roddy Piper vs Greg Valentine, Starcade 1983 Doug Williams vs Christopher Daniels vs Low Ki vs Spanky, ROH 7/27/02 The Rock vs Triple H, Judgment Day 2000 Edge and Rey Misterio Jr vs Chris Benoit and Kurt Angle, 2/3 Falls Smackdown 2002 Eddy Guerrero and Art Barr vs Octagon and El Hijo Del Santo, When Worlds Collide 1994 Chris Benoit vs Raven, Souled Out 1998 Bret Hart and Owen Hart vs Scott Steiner and Rick Steiner, WrestleFest 1994 Shawn Micheals and Diesel vs Razor Ramon and 123 Kid, Action Zone 1995 Shawn Micheals vs Razor Ramon, SummerSlam 1995 Bret Hart vs Owen Hart, SummerSlam 1994 Owen Hart and British Bulldog vs Phil LaFon and Doug Furnas, Final Four 1997 Bret Hart vs Steve Austin vs Undertaker vs Vader, Final Four 1997 Spanky vs Bryan Danielson, ECWA Super 8 2001 Ric Flair vs Ricky Steamboat, Clash 6 Ric Flair vs Ricky Steamboat, Chi-Town Rumble I'm sure I'll remember more... Puroresu Stan Hansen vs Kenta Kobashi, 7/29/93 Toshiaka Kawada vs Mitsuhara Misawa, 7/29/93 Jumbo Tsurata vs Mitsuhara Misawa, 6/8/90 Toshiaka Kawada and Akira Taue vs Mitsuhara Misawa and Kenta Kobashi, 12/3/93 Toshiaka Kawada and Akira Taue vs Mitsuhara Misawa and Kenta Kobashi, 5/21/94 Toshiaka Kawada and Akira Taue vs Mitsuhara Misawa and Kenta Kobashi, 6/9/95 Toshiaka Kawada and Akira Taue vs Mitsuhara Misawa and Kenta Kobashi, 12/6/96 Toshiaka Kawada vs Steve Williams, 4/16/94 Toshiaka Kawada vs Kenta Kobashi, 10/18/96 Mitsuhara Misawa, Toshiaka Kawada, Kenta Kobashi, and Tsuyoshi Kikuchi vs Jumbo Tsurata, Masa Fuchi, Rusher Kimura, and Yoshinari Ogawa, 4/18/92 Tiger Mask II (Misawa) vs Kenta Kobashi, 3/6/90 Toshiaka Kawada and Genichiro Tenryu vs Stan Hansen and Terry Gordy, 12/16/88 Toshiaka Kawada vs Kenta Kobashi, Champions Carnival 1993 *unsure of date* Toshiaka Kawada vs Mitsuhara Misawa, 6/3/94 Great Sasuke vs Jushin Liger, 4/16/94 Great Sasuke vs Chris Benoit, 4/16/94 Jushin Liger vs El Samurai, 4/20/92 Ultimo Dragon vs Jushin Liger, 12/13/95 Chris Benoit vs Jushin Liger, 8/12/92 Shinjiro Ohtani vs Ultimo Dragon, 8/4/96 Chris Benoit vs Shinjiro Ohtani, 3/20/96 Ultimo Dragon vs Jushin Liger, 1/4/97 Chris Benoit vs Eddy Guerrero, 6/11/96 Chris Benoit vs El Samurai, Best of Super Juniors 1993 *unsure of date* I'm sure I'll remember more...

**3/4, actually. **1/2 after WrestleMania, but now I think it is better than that but still not quite ***. Nay to both.