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http://pwtorch.com/artman2/publish/font_co...cle_23585.shtml Meanwhile... http://www.wwe.com/inside/news/noapology

The idea was that "reasonable" meant Vince & Bret had to agree

According to Dave Meltzer posting at Wrestling Classics:

http://www.f4wonline.com/content/view/4460/105/

I didn't say that in this thread. I was mostly pointing out logical fallacies and the fact that this thread is a really, really transparent attempt at a circle jerk so people can feel better about watching Benoit matches. Yeah, there was this, but that was only because the use of the word "learn" felt weird in the context. Well, that and I'm bored.

By the way, I think there's nothing wrong with watching Benoit matches, but these constant threads where people try to feel better about themselves by hearing from like-minded people got old within days of the murders, as did people burying their heads in the sand.

I'm sorry for thinking that brain damage is bad while you prove Bret Hart's "circus animals" theory right and engage in a circle jerk to distract yourselves. Fucking cunts.

Here's a story: http://forums.thesmartmarks.com/index.php?...&hl=daivari However, I'm not sure that's the incident that Triple H talked about... Different story, Daivari wanted to do the squats. The Chris Benoit before the last 3 days of his life was a lunatic who beat his wife, thought invisible men were following him, tortured a younger wrestler for "disrespecting Shawn Michaels," laughed at a crying referee backstage at a Japanese show and then called him a "gay bitch," and may have been injecting his son with HGH for non-medical reasons, among other things I'm probably forgetting. I wonder how that ref feels now, given the fact the Benoit kept a diary exclusively for Eddie and well, in the end, seemed to care much more about Eddie than his family. Probably not as lucky as Kevin Nash and Mike Graham feel.

The Chris Benoit before the last 3 days of his life was a lunatic who beat his wife, thought invisible men were following him, tortured a younger wrestler for "disrespecting Shawn Michaels," laughed at a crying referee backstage at a Japanese show and then called him a "gay bitch," and may have been injecting his son with HGH for non-medical reasons, among other things I'm probably forgetting. Damn, I never heard about those except for the HGH. What are the stories on torturing a young wrestler, HHH told it on the tribute show. I forget if it included muscle fibers deteriorating and being passed through the dude's urine like the other stories of excessive Hindu Squats. It was in the galleys of Jericho's book and cut out of the final version. Basically what I said, except Benoit laughed uproariously before exclaiming "What a gay bitch!" I swear I am not making this up. She took pictures of her bruises from after Chris hit her. Chris destroyed (burnt, presumably) the pictures with other things like the majority of his diary, but left behind pictures she took after being hit from previous relationships (the implication being that Kevin Sullivan was also abusive). Over time, it seemed like it was being subtlely implied by Dave Meltzer that he got much of this information from Nancy's sister, but it could have been a close friend. Jericho's book, even in its final version, doesn't exactly paint the picture of a stable guy, even if it's less "evil." The story that sticks out is from after a match at a NJPW show. Benoit sold a spinning kick by Jericho before it hit. Jericho was sure it wasn't noticeable, but Benoit felt that he had to "cleanse" himself of the blown spot, so he decided to 500 Hindu squats. Jericho started to do the squats with him, but being tired from the match, he stopped and slinked away as it seemed that Benoit had no idea he was leaving.

Used her wiles to get control of American women's wrestling (mainly the world title and training/booking the women for NWA territories) away from Billy Wolfe. Good for Moolah. Seriously. Wrestling is such a fucking sideshow, why should we care if people use politics to get to the top? Fuck it, if anything I respect them more for pulling it off and surviving for so long. I didn't say it was a bad thing, just that it's realistically the crux of her candidacy.

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Depends on how you look at it. If her political manuvering is HOF-worthy on its own, then she should be in. If you think she needs more than that, then she's not. She was the most important figure in women's wrestling for nearly three decades. She trained a great number of the successful female wrestlers during that time. Her influence may not have been for the best but God knows she was important. Lord Littlebrook and Sky Low Low have comparable candidacies. Cornette is talented and drew money.

There's nothing comparable to Benoit killing his son with his pro wrestling finishing hold. Let me know when Jake Roberts DDTs someone to death or Tom Cruise rapes a woman on an empty train in a crazed attempt at re-enacting the climax of Risky Business (the latter being a somewhat less direct comparison, I know).

I know we should respect the dead and all, but that's ridiculous. She was a terrible wrestler who was champion due to charming people and making political coups, plus she's been blamed for women's wrestling in the US becoming a total sideshow as opposed to having some credibility as it did before she took over. Why is it though that no one supplanted Moolah? Could one person really dominate to that degree? I can't blame it all on Moolah. Lou Thesz for example disliked womens wrestling, that certainly hurt. I question if womens' wrestling can truly succeed in some cultures. It worked in Japan the last 20-30 years, and that's about it. It was never hot in Mexico to my knowledge. The only promoter in the last 50 years to make money with womens' wrestling was ironically enough Vince McMahon. A lot of people will always view womens' wrestling as a shameful sideshow, no matter how it's booked. Not that I'm on any sort of crusade here. It just seems more complicated than at first glance. She was in control of all of the female bookings and trained her stable of wrestlers to work her hair-pulling style. Used her wiles to get control of American women's wrestling (mainly the world title and training/booking the women for NWA territories) away from Billy Wolfe. Having read about Billy Wolfe, is that a bad thing? I didn't say it was, but it's not like she was any better than him.

Used her wiles to get control of American women's wrestling (mainly the world title and training/booking the women for NWA territories) away from Billy Wolfe.

Depends on how you look at it. If her political manuvering is HOF-worthy on its own, then she should be in. If you think she needs more than that, then she's not.

I know we should respect the dead and all, but that's ridiculous. She was a terrible wrestler who was champion due to charming people and making political coups, plus she's been blamed for women's wrestling in the US becoming a total sideshow as opposed to having some credibility before she took over. The exact same thing could be said of Hulk Hogan's effect on pro wrestling. I mean, I wouldn't say that, but some bitter people would... Hulk Hogan was over and drew lots of money.

I know we should respect the dead and all, but that's ridiculous. She was a terrible wrestler who was champion due to charming people and making political coups, plus she's been blamed for women's wrestling in the US becoming a total sideshow as opposed to having some credibility as it did before she took over.

The Chris Benoit before the last 3 days of his life was a lunatic who beat his wife, thought invisible men were following him, tortured a younger wrestler for "disrespecting Shawn Michaels," laughed at a crying referee backstage at a Japanese show and then called him a "gay bitch," and may have been injecting his son with HGH for non-medical reasons, among other things I'm probably forgetting. Then how about Benoit after Eddie's Death is different from the Benoit of the past 20 years? Much of that happened before Eddy Guerrero died. Looking back, the dude was pretty clearly a crazed sociopath for a long time.

The Chris Benoit before the last 3 days of his life was a lunatic who beat his wife, thought invisible men were following him, tortured a younger wrestler for "disrespecting Shawn Michaels," laughed at a crying referee backstage at a Japanese show and then called him a "gay bitch," and may have been injecting his son with HGH for non-medical reasons, among other things I'm probably forgetting.

Yes.

You're thinking of Mae Young.

WE GET IT. EVERYTHING IS FINE AND MARC MERO IS WRONG BECAUSE HE'S HAD PLASTIC SURGERY. Shut the fuck up you pathetic little bitches.

And we have a winner. That's why Masters still has a job. He's an unpushed lump with no appreciable ring talent. However, he was ridiculed on camera for getting off the roids and losing mass. If they fired him, they'd get their asses handed to them PR wise as soon as he gave an interview. Not a God damn thing would happen. The main stream press could give a shit at this point and they wouldn't be able to use the footage with out WWE's permission. There are exemptions for news coverage, hence things like Mero's personal copy of Benoit vs Badd being aired.

Following in his father's footsteps. You'd think that after your dad died in his 40s from abusing steroids you might be a little apprehensive about abusing the stuff yourself. After Charlie Haas and Chavo Guerrero Jr., it doesn't surprise me anymore. It's worth noting that either they have no reliable method for determining levels of painkillers or just let everything fly with a prescription, as the only know painkiller suspensions were for testing positive w/o prescriptions, not excessive levels (Kurt Angle never failed a drug test for painkillers, for example). Wrestlers who were sent to rehab or fired for painkiller problems were judged based on showing up wasted, not drug tests. Also, going to rehab w/o an actual "failure" does not count as a strike against you, otherwise Masters would be fired.