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The point I am trying to make is that the WWE drug policy is not a "joke" or "bs". How they inforce it might be, but the language of the thing is pretty solid.If the enforcement of the policy is a joke then the policy is a joke, no matter how 'solid' the language of it is.
No its not. You can't point at a written policy, like those on news shows have been trying to do and some here as proof that their wellness policy is a joke when the policy itself is very solid.
The written policy IS a joke. It is bullshit that the prescription loopholes (for injury rehab and TRT) are there. It's bullshit that 4:1 isn't a failure. It's bullshit that it doesn't require a witness to collection of urine samples.
First the witness requirement is just guess work that happened about what, a page back. Lets not chalk that up to fact.
No, it's a fact, a few wrestlers have said so off the record, and I'm sure if you emailed Meltzer and/or Alvarez they'd tell you they've heard the same thing. Plus, if it was required, it would BE IN THE WRITTEN POLICY.
Second, the reason any loop hole exist anywhere in society is that there are legitimate reasons for it being there and it gets exploited by those who don't need it. The only thing that makes any law or rule a loop hole is your ability to exploit it.The TRT loophole may even be more ridiculous than the injury rehabilitation one, as the key word is REPLACEMENT. If you were taking normal therapeutic amounts of testosterone to get your levels to normal, you would NOT be at the levels required to fail a drug test. Actually, that goes for using them for injury rehabilitation, too.
Second, the reason any loop hole exist anywhere in society is that there are legitimate reasons for it being there and it gets exploited by those who don't need it. The only thing that makes any law or rule a loop hole is your ability to exploit it. Could the WWE take more time to investigate every doctor that the wrestlers use. I guess they could, but seriously, if it took the DEA 5-6 years to get Astin, what the hell are the WWE going to do? I personally would like to see them go to using required company doctors and that could eliminate that, but that is a tough thing to require. Especially when the workers pay their insurance. But I don't see how you can call the policy is bullshit because a legitimate addition to it is being exploited.Astin dug his own grave when he told the press he had prescribed testosterone to Benoit after they found massive quantities of the steroid in Benoit's home.
Third: 4:1 is a fail in legitimate sports because it gives a unnatural advantage to one over ther other. That is not the case in professional wrestling. A 4:1 ratio is not going to fuck you up health wise. I don't see why 4:1 becomes the offical line between good policy and bullshit policy because legitimate sports use it. And the reason they stop at 3:1 is because that can occur naturally. 4:1 doesn't occur naturally that often although it can happen.4:1 is a clear cut line of steroid abuse. Most normal humans, including athletes, won't even get to 2:1 or 3:1. Plus, it's called the fucking WELLNESS policy because it's supposed to protect the wrestlers' health, not mess w/ an artificial competitive advantage.
and if your shit is 5:1 in the NFL and you have a valid doctors prescription you are not going to get suspended there either by the way. Now I don't see you pulling that off with a 7:1 or 9:1 ratio in the NFL, but at the same time, I don't think its going to fly in the WWE either, because then you are talking about dangerous levels of this shit in your system.Please show me where it says the NFL policy passes you with a prescription.
There are guys beating every testing system in the world no matter what it is. The WWE is going to be no different. But looking at their policy I don't see how you can say its a bad one or that they are BS'ing.While yes, HGH use is much more widespread than it used to be and one could use that (stacked with things like insulin) and test negative, most of the roster can't afford it. When the WWF required eyewitnesses and didn't have the prescription loophole, a very few people were beating the tests, and those who were suspected of it (Sid, Warrior, Davey Boy) got fired.
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The point I am trying to make is that the WWE drug policy is not a "joke" or "bs". How they inforce it might be, but the language of the thing is pretty solid.If the enforcement of the policy is a joke then the policy is a joke, no matter how 'solid' the language of it is.
No its not. You can't point at a written policy, like those on news shows have been trying to do and some here as proof that their wellness policy is a joke when the policy itself is very solid.
The written policy IS a joke. It is bullshit that the prescription loopholes (for injury rehab and TRT) are there. It's bullshit that 4:1 isn't a failure. It's bullshit that it doesn't require a witness to collection of urine samples.
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Wasn't Orton's marijuana suspension specifically because he was smoking a joint in public view during Wrestlemania weekend?
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Right, that's different from showing your mark doctor prescription, though. We just got our wires crossed.
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HTQ-look a little closer. 4:1 is a clean pass, 5:1 is where it starts getting questioned.You mean it's not the same as the NFL policy, as claimed? I'm shocked.
Seriously, the policy as it is written is a joke when you can be as high as 9:1 and still be considered as passing the test if you can provide a valid prescription for the drugs in question, which isn't exactly hard with a mark doctor. If they actually did make 4:1 an automatic failure, we might be getting somewhere.
I believe the 5:1 to 9:1 semi-positives require re-testing first, not a scrip, which can get you out of a 10:1 (or more) failure.
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HTQ-look a little closer. 4:1 is a clean pass, 5:1 is where it starts getting questioned.
11. DEFINITION OF A POSITIVE TEST1. A Testosterone/Epitestosterone (T/E) ratio above ten (10) shall be conclusively regarded as a positive test result.
2. A Testosterone/Epitestosterone (T/E) ratio greater than four (4) but less than ten (10) shall require follow-up testing and/or medical evaluation to determine if the test shall be interpreted as positive for the active use of Testosterone or evidence of other steroids influencing the T/E ratio.
3. A Testosterone/Epitestosterone (T/E) ratio of four (4) or less shall be regarded as a negative test result.
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Because by the standards of the international anti-doping organization, whose test methods are used by every sport from the Olympics on down, a ratio of 4 is a failed test. A simple 1/1 ratio is considered normal for an average person. There's a lot of wiggle room in between 1 and 4 for a guy to roid up. Yet the WWE allows anything up to a 4 to be considered an automatic pass. The message is clear: they don't want to "catch" their guys roiding.And no, a 5-9 isn't a suspension. Read the policy again. It just means you have to take the test again. Only getting a 10 or higher, IF you aren't prescribed steroids by a doctor, is considered flunking the drug test.
Actually, as shady as all that is, it's not even the most lax part of the test. That is: they don't watch you pee. This means you can easily do the old "airtight bottle o' someone else's clean pee hugged up under your nuts" routine that is so beloved of potheads on probation/parole everywhere.
Are you sure about this? I think the WWE testing is monitored. They had doctors monitoring the samples in the 90's although X-Pac said a few of them were easy to slip by. WCW didn't monitor anything but I"m pretty sure WWE's testing is watched and they can'd do the old pee switch.
Under the '91-'96 policy they were monitored, under the current one they're not.
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No, the NFL is a failure at 4:1.
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I just watched the Kennedy interview and so far, it's been the only interview that I've been able to watch all the way through without having to shake my head or laugh at it."MAYBE HE JUST DID STEROIDS THE DAY HE DIED!!!!!!!!!!!1111111111111111"
No.
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I should've phrased that better:
Re: Steroids, WWE is absolutely the business. If they stopped pushing based on physiques, there would be a change to some degree. Granted, you will have your Davey Richards "I AM A PURORESU FIGHTER WHO FIGHTS IN THE STRONG STYLE" types who are jacked up anyway even if they don't seem to want to go to WWE, and it wouldn't necessarily affect what they do.
With regards to painkiller/street drug addiction issues, WWE always tries their damnedest to get an addict help, and that goes back to pre-Wellness policy.
And again, Meltzer and Alvarez have badly raked TNA over the coals over and over for their "drug policy."
As far as ROH, there are absolutely a ton of guys on their roster who are gassed up. If they can afford testing (and I'm not sure they can), they should do it. If they can't, then they should stop pushing Tank Toland with his "lol steroids" gimmick.
It's not ALL WWE's fault, but most of it is.
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WWE IS the whole wrestling business for all intents and purposes. Meltzer & Alvarez have been terribly critical of TNA's drug stance in the past, and indies couldn't afford to test themselves.
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Not only is Jillian Hall up there in regards to the same amount of talent to Molly Holly, but shes had a considerable amount of pre-WWE expereince and I think she could get over given a good push, I actually find her Brooke Hogan like singing gimmick fun, but what brand is she on? The brand with the T&A bimbos and no title... while T&A bimbos like Candice & Maria are on the brand with the gold.First of all, while Jillian's pretty good, she's still not at Molly's level. Second, how is Maria a bimbo? In her media interviews, she comes across very intelligent, by far the most of the "Divas."
How about Trinity too? Capable worker, better at high flying spots then Lita ever was, ever see her moonsault from the top of the cage in TNA, she looks pretty damn good too, where is she? Last seen valeting in ECW.Whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaat!?!?!
She looks like a fucking pre-op.
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Actually, I think Rock has dropped considerably from the days of being touted as the next action superhero star a la Arnold. Darth Vader that would be a tremondous end to Mr. Mcmahon, but Vince loves the tv screen too much to vanish.He's still getting roles and got good reviews for Gridion Gang and Southland Tales should do good things for his cred. He just made a mistake in takings gigs like DOOM.
Right, and really his stock could still drop and he'd be waaaaay above WWE.
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Her self-imposed exile started the in-ring decline of the WWE women's division that has continued w/ Trish's departure and whatnot. It hurts that they only have one woman (Mickie James) w/ a decent amount of pre-WWE experience now, and she's not nearly as talented as Molly, who was able to lead the more green women pretty well. Her departure has hurt the eye candy element, too. Sadly, no one exhibts a cuteness and approachable air like Molly.
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The Rock is so far above the wrestling business now that it's scary and he's announced that he's done, to boot.
Maybe he'll have a change of heart and decide to have that match with Mysterio at some point, but your "OMG MARKOUT CITY!" moment is NOT happening.
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Bix said: But if you watch the tapes, AND read the ROH MB, and see posts by ROH loyals on other MBs, it really rings true.**Yeah, but if your gonna judge a promotion by its MB's than IWA is in some trouble too!!!Message Boards are filled with youngsters...can't really fault misinformed youth, can you!
IWA's MB is more general internet idiocy types. ROH's MB...is full of fuckasses.
Bix said: I don't recall much no-selling...then again I don't expect a dive caught by several people to be sold to death.***True, but you'll find just as much wacky no selling all over any IWA show in the DM's. I will give you this one though. Good point.
Depends on the DM...Rollin, Pondo, and Axl suck. Corporal, Necro, Ian, Page, Pain, and Bailey can have solid DMs, along with solid straight wrestling matches and good old school brawls.
Bix said: The Vipers-Cadetes stuff didn't have rolling piledrivers into ganso bombs being kicked out of. When the scrambles started adding in all of those ridiculous head drops as opposed to just cool flying all while Gabe yells about "HAHA LUCHA WITHOUT THE BS AND NO PSYCHOLOGY AND I THINK SPECIAL K IS ON SOMETHING Y'KNOW THEY'RE RICH KIDS FROM THE SUBURBS WHO SPEND THEIR PARENTS' MONEY ON PARTYING AND GETTING HIGH!!!!!!!!!!!!!"***True, I realize that Gabe's commentary does to you what Ian and Prazak's does to me....so advantage: Push. Oh and I see all kinds of no-selling of smaller moves in lucha, I've watched it since 1992 and I'm STILL not conditioned to it. Maybe by 2012 you'll enjoy scrambles.
But in Lucha...they SELL the big stuff. The rolling piledrivers would get the Maximos and Special K stabbed.
Bix said: Who said Ian's never immature? And how would you feel if RF burned you on a tape distribution deal?***I'd be pissed, but for as often as Rob gets hit for being unprofessional, he seriously doesn't do it anywhere near as outwardly as Ian often does. The guy prank called Kimala for Christsake and used the N word!!!
Not saying that was acceptable, but in context it's not as bad as you made it out to be. Like many others in the business, Ian was somehow burned by Bob Starr. To get revenge, Ian called Kamala pretending to be Bob Starr.
Bix said: Now pwease trade me that Florida audio, if you weel...***I'm seriously working on it, buddy. My source with the audio tape will likely hook me up by X-mas...when it is in my grasp I'll get to work and send it to you STAT.
WHOO PAK SONG AND DUSTY! Thanks.
***Thanks for arguing, we can continue to pray at our respective different wrestling altars now!I think Punk's beating of the fan Saturday was a sign in my favor.
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HEY! It's Rob!
Ok, I don't post here at all as there is alot of negativiy, but Bix, I have to disagree with you.I realize you are a big fan of IWA...(I won't call you an IWA fan..because that mentality of lumping fans together is ridiculous as I am not an ROH FAN, but simply someone who is a wrestling fan that greatly enjoys ROH's product).
I see the difference as well.
You calling Gabe an uncreative booker is an opinion I disagree with. I realize you dislike the guy, but I think he is one of the more fan-friendly behind the scenes wrestling guys around.The storyline of putting their belt over, announcing it...presenting it...waiting to do a tourney...and putting the final match in a setting (Iron Man on the 7/27) that when the bout was over, the belt would mean something after a long struggle and the interview post match was great.
That initial title buildup WAS very well done.
The Prophecy and teasing of who would be in the anti-ROH group from tape to tape on the first 7 shows was strong as on show 4, they had Xavier passing Daniels with a subtle hint that Daniels was interested in recruiting Xavier and by the show in Philly in September, the turn was made. The Prophecy also was used in a storyline to make the handshake mean something and put over the CODE of Honor concept. It worked in Philly, as fans that wanted to cheer Daniels, boo'd him. The entire Prophecy vs. Ki feud was well laid out and ended in a brutal tag match that saw Ki get revenge on Xavier with the post on the gut chair incident. All grudges do not have to end in a blowoff singles bout.The CODE OF HONOR~! is still ridiculously stupid. It's not like there's any punishment for breaking it (other than having to hear Gabe and Doug yell the phrase "Boys in the back" a lot") and it's stigmatized handshakes outside of ROH as stupid.
Nearly every main event on a ROH show will be composed of two guys that have a history that is often documented before they face. OF COURSE there will be some matches thrown together here and there...What promotion doesn't do that...!Thrown together (semi-)main event, though?
And you asked why the Ironman with Dragon and Williams...If I remember, they did a poll asking what the fans wanted for that match..as it was originally scheduled to be Dragon vs. Spanky...but then since Spanky went to Z1, the promotion asked fans what type of match they wanted to see...that isn't the worst thing a company can do in my book. Was there a reason for the IWA Drunken Death match???IIRC: There was a poll asking what stips fans wanted for AD-Spanky. 2/3 falls won and the match was made. Spanky had to work a Z1 tour, and AD-Doug Ironman was thrown on the card.
For the record, I HATE the IWA once per card no buildup deathmatch stuff. At least CZW mostly builds feuds around them.
Was there a real legitimate reason for the Jacobs vs. Shelley triple threat of matches...there wasn't some great angle there...And they just went out and produced good matches. No harm there.They had 2 undercard matches which they split evenly, with Jacobs being an annoying whiny bitch throughout. Then they had a 2/3 falls match, which IIRC Shelley won, leading to Jacobs to issue the challenge for hair vs boot hair a month later, which he won, afterwhich he intentionally gave Shelley a bad haircut. The next month they had an Ironman match, won by Shelley, who offered a handshake to Jacobs, who spit at him and refused. A week later they had a respect match, won by Jacobs. Shelley proclaimed his respect for Jacobs, who was still being a prick about it all. They had the tag at We Are Family (w/ Hero and Daniels as partners), which Hero/Shelley won. The next week they were in a three-way with JC Bailey for the LHW title, which bailey won. And finally, a week later, at Marble Madness, they had the 2/3 match series (pinfalls only, submissions only, texas death) won by Shelley. At KOTDM, Jacobs saved Shelley from a CZW beatdown because only HE gets to beat up Alex Shelley, and they finally started teaming out of mutual respect. It was built for like 5 months
How about all of Jimmy Rave's ironman matches..? OH, he is king of the Ironman...good story.Rave is Pat and Tom's boyfriend, not mine
C'mon Bix, I think you definately know what you are talking about and I hate arguing with you, but you DO tend to just look at ROH in a negative light. I HATE that you think all ROH fans are holier than thou...I could certainly typecast the fans of IWA or Wildside as redneck or trashy based on some folks seen on the tapes, But that is certainly not the case...there are all types of fans that go to ANY wrestling show..there will always be smartass fans calling out spots at ANY wrestling show...ROH doesn't hold the market on them. ROH has MORE fans now, so obviously the chances of nitwits increasing go up. WWWF fans in Hamburg PA were nice rural people..but when they hit it big in 85 and moved to more urban places to tape..the fanbase changed. It happens.But if you watch the tapes, AND read the ROH MB, and see posts by ROH loyals on other MBs, it really rings true.
Seriously, there's you...and Wes....and...Phil & Tom and...uh...that's about it for exceptions.
One last thing Bix...you hate the scrambles..understood. But Sal and Luke and alot of Wildside guys do the same stuff.I don't watch Wildside...
Look at the everyone dive off the balcony IWA match at KOTDM...they were no selling extravaganza's to pop the crowd. I happen to enjoy all of that.I don't recall much no-selling...then again I don't expect a dive caught by several people to be sold to death.
The Scrambles are based off the Tijuana opening match Vipers vs. Cadetes stuff. Lots of incredible spots and the crowds love them. They never claimed to be Casas vs. Hijo Del Santo. Gabe dislikes the captains fall and hokey three way pins...well you know what..that is his perogative...I don't like them either, Konnan and many other luchadores dislike them and Meltzer even thinks they are somewhat passe at this point.The Vipers-Cadetes stuff didn't have rolling piledrivers into ganso bombs being kicked out of. When the scrambles started adding in all of those ridiculous head drops as opposed to just cool flying all while Gabe yells about "HAHA LUCHA WITHOUT THE BS AND NO PSYCHOLOGY AND I THINK SPECIAL K IS ON SOMETHING Y'KNOW THEY'RE RICH KIDS FROM THE SUBURBS WHO SPEND THEIR PARENTS' MONEY ON PARTYING AND GETTING HIGH!!!!!!!!!!!!!"
ROH often goes out of their way to point out JAPW, USA Pro, Wildside, ICW, CZW and other indies for working with them on their tapes. They don't mention IWA for obvious reasons..but they don;t Knock them either. Gee...I've seen Ian knock ROH and others all over his tapes..but of course, he is a real pro and not ever childish.Who said Ian's never immature? And how would you feel if RF burned you on a tape distribution deal?
Anyway, Bix..let the ROH fans enjoy the product. I know many of the fans that follow it are annoying...hell you might think I am annoying (hope you don't tho!)...but there are always annoying fans all over the place, no matter what group.
I dig all the indies...ROH is my fave. Others may have there own and I won't dispute that.
Thanks for reading.
ROH happens to have a high concentration of annoying fans. And you're not TOO annoying
Now pwease trade me that Florida audio, if you weel...
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NO THEY'RE NOT. Lucha is not about spots. WATCH SOME FUCKING TAPES. YOU. FUCK. ASS. El Dandy vs Negro Navarro is one of the best matches I've ever seen, it's lucha, and the biggest highspot is a clothesline.(I'm going to refrain from childish shit.) MULTIPLE MAN Lucha matches. EX: Barely Legal '97 Teioh/Togo/Michinoku vs. Sasuke/Hamada/Yakashiji. I watch plenty of damn tapes. WCW had them all the time. The point I'm gtrying to get across is not that they're great matches. I'm trying to say don't blame ROH for scrambles, because they've been done elsewhere before.
MPPro is highspot based puroresu w/ lucha influences. WCW Lucha is not actual lucha, it's luchadores told to go out and do flippy stuff. Check out Dandy's trios matches from 1990, not spot matches at all. Scrambles are meticulously organized to have as many moves and as little selling as possible while Gabe acts as obnoxious as possible on commentary.
Well how are you gonna give backround info on Adam Jacobs, Jimmy Rave, Jason Cross, Slim J, and AJ Styles without mentioning where they trained. Gee, I wonder if plugging TNA had to do with getting NWA & X title matches...That's not what I'm talking about. ROH and CZW had a few double headers, Steve Corino put over TNA BEFORE Styles defended the X-Division title. Slim-J? They could hve done the same they did with the rest of Special K. (Brian XL, Izzy and Dixie pick up people they met at raves, and bring them here.) They never mentioned Homicide in JAPW, they put over Xavier's accomplishments without ONCE saying ECWA, etc.
I meant those dudes pretty much worked for Wildside exclusively at the time. The others were prominent enough in various indies.
Because there's no wrestling in the world other than the nationally aired promotions and your precious ROH, right?I didn't say that. I could have gone on. CZW = Garbage wrestling, XPW = WWE with tits and barbed wire, IWA:MS = Boring brawling (mostly. I enjoy some IWA stuff).
IWA is mostly NOT brawling. I'm too tired to have this argument right now.
IWA-MS smokes ROH.
Dear Blog,
OMG. ROH is wicked fresh. LOL. Its bitchin an buggin yo.
I did watch the shows. Why did it have to be an iron man match, though? Why not a submission match or pinfalls only or no falls in the first X minutes so as to guarantee a feeling out period? And you must provide an answer other than "masturbation fodder for RF, Gabe, and some others."Because their original match was to see who would move on to the 7/27/02 Iron Man match to crown the first champion.
That's a reach.
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WildPeg, that's silly, ROH fans are the best fans in the world... just ask them.RRR: Waiting for a "We're the best" "We're the best" "We're the best" chant. And hopefully there will be other people in the arena/gym that will add "Fans in the World" to help fill in the blank for all those who can't figure it out... cause you know, they're polite...
I think I love you, Rudo.
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Yeah, it would have been much better if Rob Feinstein would have forced Williams into the rematch on camera, before pulling a bait and switch, and sicking Prince Nana on him pre-match. Or, Dragon could rape William's girlfriend or murder his family. (Please note the sarcasm).No, it would've been better if there was A MOTHERFUCKING REASON FOR IT TO BE AN IRONMAN MATCH.
Re: Gabe's booking: He just books a bunch of good and/or flashy workers together. His good storylines have been putting a straightedge guy against a recovering addict and letting Corino be a pompus ass. Not rocket science.
The scrambles are slowly killing wrestlingTHEY'RE LUCHA MATCHES. ROH did not invent them. M-Pro, Toryumon, Osaka Pro, AAA, CMLL have been doing them for years.
NO THEY'RE NOT YOU UNINFORMED, NARROWMINDED FUCKASS. Lucha is not about spots. WATCH SOME FUCKING TAPES. YOU. FUCK. ASS. El Dandy vs Negro Navarro is one of the best matches I've ever seen, it's lucha, and the biggest highspot is a clothesline. YOU. FUCK. ING. FUCK. ASS.
along with the elitism WE ARE THE BETTER THAN THE LOWLY INDIES, THEY ALL SUCK THE JAGON OF ROH mentality they're creating.That is ridiculous. they have plugged Wildside SEVERAL times. They've plugged HWA SEVERAL times. They've plugged NWATNA SEVERAL times. Hell... they've put over WWE for letting Dreamer and London appear at Death Before Dishonor.
Well how are you gonna give backround info on Adam Jacobs, Jimmy Rave, Jason Cross, Slim J, and AJ Styles without mentioning where they trained. Gee, I wonder if plugging TNA had to do with getting NWA & X title matches...
If it weren't for CM Punk (a solid guy who's very talented) getting a nice teaching gig there, I'd pray to God and Jesus and Satan and Skayde and Hecate and stuff for the immediate demise of ROH.That's great. Then you're stuck with The HHH show (RAW), the McMahon show (SD!), and the Jeff Jarrett show (TNA).
Because there's no wrestling in the world other than the nationally aired promotions and your precious ROH, right? YOU! ARE! SUCH! A! MO! THER! FUCK! ING! FUCK! ASS! YOU! DUMB! ASS! PIECE! OF! SHIT! FUCK! ASS! IWA-MS smokes ROH. Japan is a country full of good wrestling. Mexico has the lucha I love (where they don't just do spots and no-sell). Chikara is fun and good and doesn't take itself too seriously like SOME PEOPLE
Doug proved to be a superior mat wrestler at Road to the Title, as the match was very mat based. American Dragon wanted to prove that he just had an off night, and could out wrestle Williams.Watching the shows helps legitimize your opinion.
I did watch the shows. Why did it have to be an iron man match, though? Why not a submission match or pinfalls only or no falls in the first X minutes so as to guarantee a feeling out period? And you must provide an answer other than "masturbation fodder for RF, Gabe, and some others."
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Because they wrestled at the Road to the Title and Dragon wanted a re-match to avenge the loss. So ROH set it up as a 30 minute iron man match.Sometimes simplicity is strong.
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And it was an Iron Man match WHY??!?!?!?!
And why does this test of scientific skills get me emotionally involved? They were fighting in a gimmick match for NOTHING. With no issue. So Doug won last time. Then you book a rematch. It doesn't need to be the ROH RESPECTFUL FRIENDLY EXHIBITION OF PURE WRESTLING~! version of a Texas Death Match.
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For the maroon that gave the bullshit about no angles for the first few decades of the 20th century:
http://ejmas.com/jalt/jaltart_svinth_0700.htm
Re: Emotion and stuff: American Dragon vs Doug Williams at the 1st Boston area show in an ironman match was awesome. Just great wrestling. But why were they wrestling each other in an ironman match? What is my emotional investment in this match supposed to be outside of enjoying the great wrestling? It's fun, but pretty empty.
And Gabe is a hideous booker. Anything he does remotely well could be done by anyone else. The scrambles are slowly killing wrestling, along with the elitism WE ARE THE BETTER THAN THE LOWLY INDIES, THEY ALL SUCK THE JAGON OF ROH mentality they're creating.
If it weren't for CM Punk (a solid guy who's very talented) getting a nice teaching gig there, I'd pray to God and Jesus and Satan and Skayde and Hecate and stuff for the immediate demise of ROH.
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Nobody's saying that except maybe for the voices in your head.
The amount of steroids taken in recovering from a surgery is much less than what would be taken for bodybuilding, and thus would not raise the T/E ratio as much. I said the same thing half an hour ago.
Nobody's saying the NFL policy is great, just with a lower/better failure mark and without WWE's loopholes. Plus, the NFL has a much higher percentage of guys who can afford things that aren't detectable in steroid tests.