Jump to content
TSM Forums

Bix

Members
  • Content count

    325
  • Joined

  • Last visited

Posts posted by Bix


  1. http://pwtorch.com/artman2/publish/font_co...cle_23585.shtml

     

    Here's what CNN did earlier that balances the score, during the months it took reporter Drew Griffin and his production crew to put together their hour-long documentary:

     

    On the day Griffin's team was scheduled to come to Wrestling Observer editor/writer Dave Meltzer's house to interview him for the story, Meltzer got a call.

     

    Vince McMahon wouldn't allow any interviews with anyone in WWE, including himself, if CNN put Meltzer in their documentary.

     

    Was there a legitimate reason to remove Meltzer from the documentary? Did he blow a story, or take a critical quote out of context, in his reporting about WWE? Did CNN, based on what WWE told them, vet Meltzer's work and discover something that completely made them change their opinion of his knowledge of the story they were covering? Did they tell WWE that no reputable news organization would give the tainted subject of scandal any say over how they would covered, and that if WWE pulled their previously promised cooperation, America's Number One Cable New Source would note that, and the reasons why, in their documentary.

     

    Nah, nothing like that. CNN let a wrestling promoter dictate the terms of his coverage, then gave him the opportunity to righteously show them up by disingenuously editing the interview with his most popular star to make their show sexier.

     

    It's a shame, because the truth is CNN had a hell of a story without their balanced embarrassments.

    Meanwhile...

     

    http://www.wwe.com/inside/news/noapology

     

    WWE received the following statement last night at 10:00 pm EST from CNN's Director of Public Relations, Jennifer Dargan:

     

    "CNN felt that Mr. Cena's statement in the interview:

    "My answer to that question 'have you ever used steroids' is -- the only thing I can say -- I can't tell you that I haven't, but you'll never be able to prove that I have"

    was a more expansive and complete answer -- and that's why we used it in the first run of the program. And we stand by that decision. But, we added the other quote on the Sunday replay where Mr. Cena first denied using steroids. We did this because of his complaint and the attention it received so that viewers could see how he said it both times."


  2. This 'good stuff' that posters keep mentioning that only certain wrestlers can afford, how expensive can it be? I know the pay isn't amazing for someone like Masters but surely he can afford the stuff to pass these tests, it can't be THAT expensive can it?

    According to Dave Meltzer posting at Wrestling Classics:

     

    Too bad these reporters have zero sophistication on the issue.

     

    Marion Jones was taking undetectable drugs provided by Balco, hence she wasn't caught. If certain wealthy WWE people had contacts with a lab making designer drugs, they could (and likely do) sneak through.

     

    His rank-and-file $75,000 to $500,000 per year guys can't afford that stuff and are taking stuff prescribed by their local doctor, the real stuff the tests should catch.

     

    The drugs his guys were taking with the except of the GH brigade, were the easiest to detect in a test.

     

    Not one NFL or MLB player to this point was found on the Signature list passing for steroids the test should find. It's always GH, and everyone knows you can't really test accurately for htat.

     

    There are 1700 NFL players and 700 MLB players. Not one. There are 67 WWE male roster guys and a dozen passed the test while taking drugs like Test and Stanazolol.


  3. We get it, WWE is evil, and they're creating monsters...Thanks, for telling us 20 times a day.

    I didn't say that in this thread. I was mostly pointing out logical fallacies and the fact that this thread is a really, really transparent attempt at a circle jerk so people can feel better about watching Benoit matches.

     

    Yeah, there was this, but that was only because the use of the word "learn" felt weird in the context.

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

    Well, that and I'm bored.


  4. What are the stories on torturing a young wrestler

    Here's a story:

    http://forums.thesmartmarks.com/index.php?...&hl=daivari

    However, I'm not sure that's the incident that Triple H talked about...

    Different story, Daivari wanted to do the squats.

     

    I'm sure the Chris Benoit of his last three days is completely different from the Chris Benoit of the last 20+ years.

    The Chris Benoit before the last 3 days of his life was a lunatic who beat his wife, thought invisible men were following him, tortured a younger wrestler for "disrespecting Shawn Michaels," laughed at a crying referee backstage at a Japanese show and then called him a "gay bitch," and may have been injecting his son with HGH for non-medical reasons, among other things I'm probably forgetting.

     

    I wonder how that ref feels now, given the fact the Benoit kept a diary exclusively for Eddie and well, in the end, seemed to care much more about Eddie than his family.

    Probably not as lucky as Kevin Nash and Mike Graham feel.


  5. I'm sure the Chris Benoit of his last three days is completely different from the Chris Benoit of the last 20+ years.

    The Chris Benoit before the last 3 days of his life was a lunatic who beat his wife, thought invisible men were following him, tortured a younger wrestler for "disrespecting Shawn Michaels," laughed at a crying referee backstage at a Japanese show and then called him a "gay bitch," and may have been injecting his son with HGH for non-medical reasons, among other things I'm probably forgetting.

     

     

    Damn, I never heard about those except for the HGH. What are the stories on torturing a young wrestler,

    HHH told it on the tribute show. I forget if it included muscle fibers deteriorating and being passed through the dude's urine like the other stories of excessive Hindu Squats.

     

    the ref

    It was in the galleys of Jericho's book and cut out of the final version. Basically what I said, except Benoit laughed uproariously before exclaiming "What a gay bitch!" I swear I am not making this up.

     

    and beating his wife. I heard he and Nancy had problems but that it was never confirmed as violent until that last day.

    She took pictures of her bruises from after Chris hit her. Chris destroyed (burnt, presumably) the pictures with other things like the majority of his diary, but left behind pictures she took after being hit from previous relationships (the implication being that Kevin Sullivan was also abusive). Over time, it seemed like it was being subtlely implied by Dave Meltzer that he got much of this information from Nancy's sister, but it could have been a close friend.

     

    Jericho's book, even in its final version, doesn't exactly paint the picture of a stable guy, even if it's less "evil." The story that sticks out is from after a match at a NJPW show. Benoit sold a spinning kick by Jericho before it hit. Jericho was sure it wasn't noticeable, but Benoit felt that he had to "cleanse" himself of the blown spot, so he decided to 500 Hindu squats. Jericho started to do the squats with him, but being tired from the match, he stopped and slinked away as it seemed that Benoit had no idea he was leaving.


  6. What is this "political maneuvering" people are talking about?

    Used her wiles to get control of American women's wrestling (mainly the world title and training/booking the women for NWA territories) away from Billy Wolfe.

     

    Good for Moolah. Seriously. Wrestling is such a fucking sideshow, why should we care if people use politics to get to the top? Fuck it, if anything I respect them more for pulling it off and surviving for so long.

    I didn't say it was a bad thing, just that it's realistically the crux of her candidacy.


  7. It's still ridiculous that Moolah isn't in the Observer Hall of Fame.

    Depends on how you look at it. If her political manuvering is HOF-worthy on its own, then she should be in. If you think she needs more than that, then she's not.

    She was the most important figure in women's wrestling for nearly three decades. She trained a great number of the successful female wrestlers during that time. Her influence may not have been for the best but God knows she was important.

    Lord Littlebrook and Sky Low Low have comparable candidacies.

     

    I'd even say that she's more deserving than, say, Jim Cornette.

    Cornette is talented and drew money.


  8. Sad to hear it. However, Moolah will be and should be remembered as the last great women's champion. In the days when you needed to be more than eye candy to hold the championship.

    I know we should respect the dead and all, but that's ridiculous. She was a terrible wrestler who was champion due to charming people and making political coups, plus she's been blamed for women's wrestling in the US becoming a total sideshow as opposed to having some credibility as it did before she took over.

    Why is it though that no one supplanted Moolah? Could one person really dominate to that degree? I can't blame it all on Moolah. Lou Thesz for example disliked womens wrestling, that certainly hurt. I question if womens' wrestling can truly succeed in some cultures. It worked in Japan the last 20-30 years, and that's about it. It was never hot in Mexico to my knowledge. The only promoter in the last 50 years to make money with womens' wrestling was ironically enough Vince McMahon. A lot of people will always view womens' wrestling as a shameful sideshow, no matter how it's booked.

     

    Not that I'm on any sort of crusade here. It just seems more complicated than at first glance.

    She was in control of all of the female bookings and trained her stable of wrestlers to work her hair-pulling style.

     

     

    What is this "political maneuvering" people are talking about?

    Used her wiles to get control of American women's wrestling (mainly the world title and training/booking the women for NWA territories) away from Billy Wolfe.

    Having read about Billy Wolfe, is that a bad thing?

    I didn't say it was, but it's not like she was any better than him.

     


  9. Sad to hear it. However, Moolah will be and should be remembered as the last great women's champion. In the days when you needed to be more than eye candy to hold the championship.

    I know we should respect the dead and all, but that's ridiculous. She was a terrible wrestler who was champion due to charming people and making political coups, plus she's been blamed for women's wrestling in the US becoming a total sideshow as opposed to having some credibility before she took over.

     

     

    The exact same thing could be said of Hulk Hogan's effect on pro wrestling. I mean, I wouldn't say that, but some bitter people would...

    Hulk Hogan was over and drew lots of money.


  10. Sad to hear it. However, Moolah will be and should be remembered as the last great women's champion. In the days when you needed to be more than eye candy to hold the championship.

    I know we should respect the dead and all, but that's ridiculous. She was a terrible wrestler who was champion due to charming people and making political coups, plus she's been blamed for women's wrestling in the US becoming a total sideshow as opposed to having some credibility as it did before she took over.


  11. I'm sure the Chris Benoit of his last three days is completely different from the Chris Benoit of the last 20+ years.

    The Chris Benoit before the last 3 days of his life was a lunatic who beat his wife, thought invisible men were following him, tortured a younger wrestler for "disrespecting Shawn Michaels," laughed at a crying referee backstage at a Japanese show and then called him a "gay bitch," and may have been injecting his son with HGH for non-medical reasons, among other things I'm probably forgetting.

     

    Then how about Benoit after Eddie's Death is different from the Benoit of the past 20 years?

    Much of that happened before Eddy Guerrero died.

     

    Looking back, the dude was pretty clearly a crazed sociopath for a long time.


  12. I'm sure the Chris Benoit of his last three days is completely different from the Chris Benoit of the last 20+ years.

    The Chris Benoit before the last 3 days of his life was a lunatic who beat his wife, thought invisible men were following him, tortured a younger wrestler for "disrespecting Shawn Michaels," laughed at a crying referee backstage at a Japanese show and then called him a "gay bitch," and may have been injecting his son with HGH for non-medical reasons, among other things I'm probably forgetting.


  13. You know its bad when the first comments are "well at least it was from natural causes".

     

    Sad news though. Aside from being a pioneer for womens wrestling, She was certainly unique because not many women her age would go out in front of millions of people and do some of the things she did the last 10 years or so for the wwe.

    You're thinking of Mae Young.


  14. I wonder if the only thing keeping Masters job is the fact he'd make a helluva witness against the wwe. Afterall he took the policy seriously and dropped a lot of mass and was ridiculed on camera for it, and no doubt behind the scenes as well to the point he thought it was in best career interest to juice up again.

     

    I want the big fish caught - HHH and Batista specifically, however they're probably paid well enough to be able to afford the undetectable stuff and or are high enough in the food chain to know when tests are coming. Baseball was recently exposed by the fact that players knew a day before that the tests were coming because the independant testers would have to call and arrange parking and security passes the day before, as well as a room where the testing could take place. I'm betting HHH is privy to such information and passes it on to his chosen ones.

     

    And we have a winner.

     

    That's why Masters still has a job. He's an unpushed lump with no appreciable ring talent. However, he was ridiculed on camera for getting off the roids and losing mass. If they fired him, they'd get their asses handed to them PR wise as soon as he gave an interview.

     

    Not a God damn thing would happen. The main stream press could give a shit at this point and they wouldn't be able to use the footage with out WWE's permission.

    There are exemptions for news coverage, hence things like Mero's personal copy of Benoit vs Badd being aired.


  15. That was quick, Harry.

     

     

    Following in his father's footsteps. You'd think that after your dad died in his 40s from abusing steroids you might be a little apprehensive about abusing the stuff yourself.

    After Charlie Haas and Chavo Guerrero Jr., it doesn't surprise me anymore.

     

    To be fair, we don't know how exactly both men failed the Wellness Policy. It could just as easily be for using painkillers they don't have a prescription for, than anything steroid related.

    It's worth noting that either they have no reliable method for determining levels of painkillers or just let everything fly with a prescription, as the only know painkiller suspensions were for testing positive w/o prescriptions, not excessive levels (Kurt Angle never failed a drug test for painkillers, for example). Wrestlers who were sent to rehab or fired for painkiller problems were judged based on showing up wasted, not drug tests. Also, going to rehab w/o an actual "failure" does not count as a strike against you, otherwise Masters would be fired.

×