Brett Favre

If he's as good as Wally, he should be a top 5 pick. Can someone post the Insider Article - ESPN, Chris Sheridan, a matter of time before Francis is traded piece. Thanks.

Lets talk about Tyson Chandler's contract. I think JJ Redick is going to be a Ben Gordon type player.

Brown is a bit of a hypocrite. He was pissed that Marbury didn't tell him straight up that he won't play till after the All-Star break (Brown found out from other people), yet he keeps dissing players out in front of the media.

I'm not happy about this year, but if the players eventually "get it" (Larry Brown stuff) by the end of the year, it'll be good for next year. We weren't going to win any titles this year, so getting the players to play together by the end of the year is a bigger goal. I guess i'm a glass half full guy.

They aren't tanking next year if they're getting Francis, and they will not if they have a record worse than Chicago's. I'm exhausted. BTW, the Darko deal is officially done if it wasn't already.

If you like to observe things so narrow mindedly, than sure whatever. The Pistons were in the middle of the pack for a while, and they got lucky. If we were a team full of 35 years, I'd probably agree, but we're not, so I look forward to seeing Frye and Curry together. Francis ain't taking away their minutes.

You seem to think Nate and Lee are going to be great roleplayers, so there's two right there. Like you guys said, we can't do shit to find franchise players with late round picks, so there are your role players right there. And everyone gets the MLE in the NBA, so there's another one right there. --- Either we'll get there or we won't. Same shit with every other team man, it's not like every other team in the NBA is doing everything correctly. As of right now only the Pistons and Spurs are because they've won the last two titles.

Same here, my point is, there is no one way to get there.

Okay, so the Spurs got lucky. Like I said man, all Championship teams didn't different ways, so did all successful teams like the Pacers.

The Pistons did it their way, the Spurs did it theirs, the Pacers are successful with theirs, maybe we'll be fortunate with our way.

Francis will play as much as Crawford is playing now, so Nate won't lose minutes. Frye and Lee aren't SFs, so Frye is still getting his, and like I said, Larry Brown doesn't like David Lee. Stephen A. Smith said it's a Larry Brown thing that i'm not going to explain right now. The point isn't whether or not Artest would help the team, the point is that Isiah is sticking to the plan of keeping the younger players.

They got lucky. Without Boston getting involved in the 3 way, no way Sheed becomes a Piston. They sure as hell didn't expect Ben to be a star and neither did we. And the trade for Rip was basically trying to get rid of Stackhouse.

Getting Francis isn't going to take away minutes from anyone. And the Dolan stuff, getting to the playoffs gets them more money. And Isiah didn't inherit a playoff team. They made the playoffs the year that Isiah got there, didn't they? Because of the Marbury trade. They were close to last when he came. The Odom, Harrington, and Artest stuff is nonsense. You're not telling me Artest isn't a star player? And Odom and Harrington aren't solid young SF/PFs? If he were really really trying to win now, don't tell me he wouldn't trade for them, because he would, as would any other team.

Only 7 teams have won the title the past 25 years. You have to crawl before you can walk. Just like the other teams, we'll be searching for that guy. And no, there isn't one pattern to follow, so don't say that you need cap space or this or that. You can be lucky like the Pistons too, who knows.

Getting Francis isn't going to take away minutes from anyone. And the Dolan stuff, getting to the playoffs gets them more money. And Isiah didn't inherit a playoff team.

Right, and the Knicks would have gotten back Artest or Odom, which is BETTER than having Marbury 2.0 aka Steve Francis. The Knicks aren't giving up Robinson, Lee, or Frye in the proposed deal.

I can't think of one team that has as little to look forward to in the future as the Knicks do. That's not the point i'm trying to make that. That future stuff is what you believe, but not every NBA team, and like I said 20+, don't have a "franchise" player, like you say the Knicks don't.

How much shelf life do you think Francis has left as a player close to worth the money he's being paid? His contract has like 3-4 more years, so yeah, it's fine. He's turning 29 later this month, so up to the age of 32-33? That's fine with me.

Frye is still getting his minutes. Larry Brown is acting like a douchebag with David Lee; that's the only problem. Nate is still getting his minutes. If Isiah wasn't serious about rebuilding, Nate, Lee, and Frye would be Pacers or Lakers by now.

Isiah is being forced to try to get into the playoffs and build at the same time. Obviously it isn't working right now. Look, when he first got here, he needed to get into the playoffs. The owner wanted him the playoffs. Obviously that wasn't working out either, so he traded for Curry, is keeping Frye (he could have traded him for Odom, Artest or Harrington or whatever if he wasn't rebuilding). He is rebuilding, just without the cap. Like I said, it's Francis replacing Crawford.

Maybe he'll fall, maybe he won't. Maybe they have him, maybe they don't. Maybe they'll trade for him, maybe they won't. It's the same shit with like 20+ teams in the NBA.

You guys are saying this now, but give it 5 years to see whether or not they'll be productive players. You talk about Parker, and Spree, and Prince, yet you guys most likely didn't even give it a thought that they would be star players TILL they BECAME star players.

Didn't you just say that the guys with rings aren't franchise players? Whatever. Give me the player that fell in last year's draft that's a franchise player. And Frye could have easily been a top 5 pick had the GMs had a chance to do the draft over.

They aren't drafting guys who fell? Who the hell are you to tell us the future? Your argument is basically "Uh well, those guys fell, but um, there won't be guys falling ever again, and if they do, the Knicks don't draft them because I said so."

WTF does this mean? So this means no other players will fall? I don't understand. It's like there won't be late round steals anymore?