Brett Favre

And yet, every trade that is offered to the Knicks is hung up because they won't give up Frye, and they shouldn't give up Robinson. Yeah that's why Francis and K-Mart are still in Knick trade rumors.

Yeah, crap like Tony Parker, and Latrell Sprewell, and Tayshaun Prince, and Josh Howard, and Manu Ginobili, and Rashard Lewis, and Gilbert Arenas, and other crap that's been picked in late rounds. Isiah is good at drafting, so the position doesn't bother me much.

You say that now because you now know, but Dirk and Pat Garrity were traded for Tractor Traylor, and Jermaine was traded for Dale Davis. Don't give me this crap that everyone knew they were going to be stars all along. That's thing, you don't know how someones going to turn out.

Funny, I thought the Bulls could have built around Brand and Artest, but that's just me. Did you say the Knicks don't know how to draft? If Isiah does anything very well, it's draft. And how the hell do you know the players they brought aren't sought after by other teams? Because the Knicks took them? The Lakers wanted Rose and Curry. The Nuggets want Francis right now. The Nuggets also wanted Crawford at the time. Jerome James and Malik Rose are different stories, but don't make it sound like the whole team is made up by players who have contracts so horrible and play so bad that no one wants to touch them. The Mavericks traded for Dirk. The Pacers traded for Jermaine. There's no ONE pattern.

He gave up draft picks in the Marbury and Curry trade. That's it. He got draft picks in the Kurt Thomas trade, the Nazr Mohammed trade, and the Antonio Davis trade. But when he made the Curry trade, he got someone that he felt was better than anyone coming out in this year's upcoming draft, so I could let that pass. And Q/Nate for Kurt Thomas isn't a good trade? Sure Q is playing like crap now, but we got a building block, and in a year or so, Kurt Thomas will become unmovable because of his age and contract. The Antonio Davis trade, considering we're not going to be under the cap next year, just prolongs his contract by one year, and we got a draft pick out of that. The Crawford trade was basically a trade for expiring contracts. He's not that horrible at making trades.

No one is asking for Frye, Lee, and Robinson like they did for Sweetney, Lampe and Vranes, so that should tell you something about the difference in talent level.

Oh, so we should do what the Hawks did? What the Bulls did for 7 years, and got nowhere? What the Clippers did? There's no one way to build. The Pistons didn't get under the cap. The only signing they made was Billups. Ben Wallace was traded to them, Sheed was traded to them, Prince was an early twenties pick, and Rip was traded to them. Tell me how being under the cap helped the Bulls for 7 years? Or how it's helped the Hawks? Getting under the cap is just a big a risk as making trades. Most players don't go to other teams because the team that has him can offer him the most money. Which is why everyone trades. The Spurs got most of their shit done drafting too. Look at the good teams in the NBA. The Mavs got their shit by drafting and trading. Same shit with the Pacers, and the Heat.

Really? The Pacers, Mavericks, Kings, and Pistons all rebuilt while trying to win at the same time. And why would we tank next year? We switch picks with Chicago if we end up worse than them. To me, adding Francis is like replacing Crawford, something I would do.

I think I just said I rather not trade Lee, and he probably won't be included anyway. Since when has 9 million been a difference between getting under the cap and being over it? And damn man, if you watch the Knicks, I wish there was more than one Marbury. He seems to be the only one who knows how to play basketball at this point. So another one wouldn't hurt.

Not exactly. Crawford's contract runs 2 years longer than Francis', and the difference in money isn't going to be a difference in whether or not they'll be over the cap. Basically, it's replacing Crawford's contract (except Francis' is shorter, so it works out well for us). Tony Battie's contract runs out at the end of this year, so the contract stuff is a wash. Two, I don't think Nate will be included, but I could see Lee or Ariza. I'd hate to give up Lee, but I rather see him play for some other team than have him sit on the bench for no reason on mine. I don't think he'll be included though. And third, I thought it was interesting that Francis' and Marbury's birthdays are one day apart (same year). They have the same number, pretty much the same size, same type of game, and the media has the same perception on both. Just thought it was interesting.

Probably, in the pre-Vince Jr era.

They don't even see the line anymore.

Francis >> Crawford & Ariza Battie >> Penny

Does anyone have ESPNews? They're about to talk about the trade. If anyone can watch and give us an update, i'd appreciate it.

Marbury doesn't dominate the ball as much as you would think. It's that everyone around him can't score on their own. I think this move is for next year myself, but anytime you can replace Crawford with Francis, you gotta do it.

A trade on the table right now is Crawford, Penny and Ariza for Francis and Battie.

Roman Catholic; got everything done that I was supposed to get done by now (baptized, first communion, confirmation). I don't go to church very often, but I do believe the teachings.

I don't even know what the hell is on my hot dog. I just tell the guy everything. I thought that's what everyone else did.

I'm like 80/20 on this actually. Odom is the type of all-around player we need, and he's still pretty young. The contract sucks, but if the Lakers would take some of our garbage contracts back (don't know if they would), like Jerome James, Q Rich, Malik, a combo of any of those, I'd consider it; maybe. I'd hate to give up Frye, but Odom is nice. If Odom is available, i'd try to trade for him without giving up Frye, if possible. Anything on the Knicks interest you other than Frye? Draft picks?

Because Artest might cause problems, Frye is younger, and makes less money. Anyway here it is: http://realgm.net/src_wiretap_archives/391...om_prefer_frye/ It's really not that hard to believe. Phil Jackson is always bitching about Odom.

I've seen Marbury night in and out, and he'll easily defer to players to make the team better. Problem is, he can't do it night in and out because no one on the team right now is as good as him. Also, it seems like Isiah is dead serious about keeping Frye. It turns out he rejected a deal of Frye and filler for Lamar Odom.

It wouldn't be the first long season.

The Chargers offered Brees a long term contract.

They should just have Rey ask Eddie to speak to Owen about it.

Rumor going out that the Jets will franchise Abraham (well that's not the rumor, they will); but they'll ship him out for draft picks, or Phillip Rivers.