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* and beyond that. Meltzer was essentially putting over both men's abilities as workers, in that neither man really did a whole lot of wrestling in their respective matches but managed to work the life into that crowd. which is the ability being credited to them. and rightfully so.

Well, Grenier started that with his INXS comment. INXS hasn't even posted in this topic. Grenier made it a Republicans vs. Democrats/Independents thing. * if you're going to insult everyone's intelligence in this thread... i'd recommend you do your best to not sound like an idiot. as someone who always has, and will continue to, vote for a third party... i whole-heartedly resent the implication that i'm somehow on your side. because if i were... i'd vote for your guy. that is all.

* on the upside... when bowie says he has an album coming out, you know... ... it actually does. *

* 5 . a revolving door of the second time i saw hot water music (Plea for Peace '01 w/ zero zero, cadillac blindside, and acoustic sets by Dan and Matt of the alkaline trio). the second time i saw tori amos (plugged tour). orbital (the altogether tour). and depeche mode (exciter tour). 4 . r.e.m. (w/ pj harvey... i think): monster tour '95 3 . radiohead (w/ kid koala and the beta band): amnesiac tour 2 . the cure : bloodflowers tour 1 . (4-way tie) elvis costello (lonely world tour) elvis costello (when i was cruel tour) elvis costello (when i was cruel tour) elvis costello (north tour) ... the only things that may break the top 4 are morrissey, one of the three curiosa dates i'm seeing this summer, braid/murder by death this sunday, prince, or maybe george clinton.

* i've still got a lot of catching up to do... and i've got a party to throw: (every year i compile a top 10. and throw a two night listening/discussion party... good times) but here are the early contenders: interpol . antics xiu xiu . fabulous muscles the walkmen . bows and arrows modest mouse . good news for people who like bad news of montreal . satanic panic in the attic the streets . a grand don't come cheap madvillain . madvillainy on!air!library! . on!air!library! franz ferndinand . franz ferdinand magnetic fields . i blonde redhead . misery is a butterfly cex . maryland mansions ... and if the new tom waits gets out by year's end.

* i know that Punk has changed since then. for the worse from what i've seen. however... the match with Daniels is the best non-Hero match that i've ever seen him in since i first saw him in MAW. ... and the reasoning for my bringing up the 2002 TPI was for the above reason... as well as for pinpointing the begining of my dislike for Jimmy Rave which just happened to also occur on the same weekend. which... is also the best weekend of wrestling i've ever been able to see live.

* if you haven't. check out the Punk/Daniels match from the 2002 TPI. i've watched it no less that a dozen times. and it never stops being excellent. everything is focused and means something...

two words: Davic Mamet. . and although it was mentioned above. Woody Allen rocks my world.

* i can pinpoint the exact moment my Jimmy Rave hate began. it was sitting in the crowd for the second night of the TPI in 2002 and Hero came out fro his match with Rave still selling the damage done to his leg on the previous night by Matt Stryker. and Rave proceeds to go off on Hero's arm.... i understand that's his thing and all. but it just really betrays what a one-dimensional wrestler he really is. ... also.. i've never really gotten the Homicide love. i've never seen him effectively tell a story. or really do any long-term, quality selling. and his tendency to injure people... i mean, he certainly seems to be a draw. so in that respect he's good for business... but i just don't fancy him as a wrestler.

* i don't know if you'll be able to find it anywhere online. but their performance at the Heatwave Festival in 1980 is excellent. i found one person with it on Soulseek. it's not the best quality... but you know... it's a bootleg. and it was 1980. . it is a little Remain in Light heavy . but considering that it was their new record. ... here's the setlist if you want to look for it... psycho killer warning sign stay hungry cities i zimbra once in a lifetime house in motion born under punches crosseyed and painless.

a low key kind of summer. july 20 . up in the air about the warped tour... july 30 . sonic youth/le tigre/wolf eyes july 31 . modest mouse/walkmen/broken social scene aug 1. braid/murder by death/the response aug 2 . wilco aug 12 . curiosa (chicago) aug 24 . curiosa (chula vista, ca) aug 27 . curiosa (carson, ca) .... you have no idea how excited i am that my pre-fall semester vacation to visit a friend in california and hook up with a friend coming home from japan falls on the so. cal leg of the tour...

* i'm not sure of the exact number. but if you compare attendance figures from the RoH show w/ Hardy to their next showing in the venue... it was down by nearly 400 people. ... so to a certain extent, he was/is a draw. however, they'll need to produce quality shows as a whole to keep the viewers, as i can't imagine many people sticking around and paying $10 a week just to see a Jeff Hardy match. also note... the match he had was, by my account, absolutely terrible. i downloaded it and couldn't wait for it to be over so i could delete it. and yes, the crowd, by and large, booed(?) him out of the building... i was a little bothered by their desire to shit all over the guy before the match even started. but then Jeff managed to validate it.

in case you were curious: ver·ba·tim adj. Using exactly the same words; corresponding word for word: a verbatim report of the conversation. adv. In exactly the same words; word for word: repeated their dialogue verbatim. ... maybe you should have read the thread i quoted. if whomever posted it from or on its source page cut something... not my problem. of course, had you read that thread (or any others) to begin with... this one wouldn't be here. ... i mean, i'm all for the posting of accurate information. i just don't care for the RE-posting of said information.

* well... that was taken verbatim from the other "News and Notes" thread with information from PWInsider and 411. so is this. and the Matt Hardy injury was briefly mentioned in this weeks Observer. which has been up since the weekend. ..... otherwise. the Paul Bearer stuff has its own thread already... and has for quite some time. as does the SD! house show report and Vince being sick. and the RF/RoH split information along with the TNA action figures piece both have their own respective discussions and their repspective folders. admittedly, i will give you that Traci Brooks being Wrestling365's diva of the day... that's all you. granted, try as i might, i just don't care. decent?

your telling me. i live 10 minutes from Wauwatosa....

the problem with this is that Spanky had a ready made shot in Japan. Which is more than likely where he would be making most of his money. That and the people love him over there. And in Japan, he also wouldn't have to absorb incidental expenses. London doesn't have that waiting for him the instant he would walk out. He'd be in the US indies where, outside of RoH, he wasn't really that big of a deal. He could've had a huge shot after winning the Super 8. Although, he was already working for Vince at that point. Admittedly, if he were to leave, he could probably slide over to TNA. But really, that's not going to be a whole lot of money in the bank either. And the reason that Raven can make more money working in the indies is that his trans and lodging gets paid. London, like most indy guys, wouldn't get that from every promoter. He'd be paying his own gas and hotel (if necessary). So the Raven thing isn't really the same. Raven also makes a shit-ton more per booking that London probably ever will on the indies. No. No they don't. That's what makes them indy feds.

* yeah. smart mark video's shipping time is absolutely ridiculous. .. i've order 6-8 tapes from them on numerous occasions and gotten them in about a week. maybe 10 days. compared to RF's... "we'll get around to it" attitude...

* what i'm really wondering is (provided this is true.). what about all those, like Samoa Joe/Maff/etc. that said that if they ever found out that RF was still a part of RoH they would turn their backs and walk.?

* can somebody post results.?

i haven't seen a spinebuster in what seems like forever.

Brock/Big Show

* from my understanding. and in my opinion... Kane isn't a legitimate #1 contender because he's been made to look like an absolute fucking joke over the last 6 months. - he got destroyed by the Undertaker at WMXX in a match that could've given him tremedous momentum had he won. - he lost to Edge. in a match that victory that did nothing for Edge and a loss that further derailed Kane. (which would now put him roughly 448 miles from the tracks). ... the fact of the matter is that Kane isn't a "legitimate" contender in the sense that he is not a believible #1 contender. much in the same fashion (although not as extreme) that if Steven Richards or Hurricane would've won that battle royal (even sans HBK interference) they also wouldn't be legitimate contenders for a PPV title match. i'd've had no problems with Kane winning the spot if the match would've been for the following week's RAW, but for a PPV main. not in a million years.

1)Austin vs Rock-WM 17 17)Flair vs Steamboat-Chi-Town Rumble 8)HBK vs Foley-Mind Games 9)Angle vs Benoit-Rumble '03 4)Bret vs Austin-WM 13 45)Blanchard vs Magnum TA-Starcade '85 28)Flair vs Funk-Clash 9 21)Bret vs Perfect-Summerslam '91 3)Rey vs Eddie-Halloween Havoc '97 46)Flair vs Savage-WM 8 7)Savage vs Steamboat-WM 3 42)Bret vs Bulldog-Summerslam '92 10)'92 Rumble 6)HHH vs HBK vs Benoit-WM 20 51)Rey/Edge vs Angle/Benoit-No Mercy '02 30)Bret vs Perfect-KOTR '93

* not to get to much into fantasy booking the tournament... but if you look at the scheduled match-ups, and the way the blocking and points are set up as of today. Daniels' "injury" doesn't necessarily have any impact on what would've been a sensible way for New Japan to book the tournament (regarding winners, finalists, and whatnot). ... although, that may also be a coincidence. but the way they would've been "forced" into booking the remainder of the tournament hasn't been any diffferent than the way the tournament was being booked from the get-go. however, if this is legit. then that's super shitty. considering Daniels' infamous Nitro shoulder injury.

* but that's not necessarily what happened. i haven't read the documents... and to my knowledge, neither has anybody else. like i said above... what can be extrapolated from the information that was given through various reliable enough sources with respect to the actual provisions of the contracts seems to be as i previously stated. that when the talent signed the contracts... there were stipulations as to TNA's reserved right to approve all outside bookings; that the talent was free to book themselves elsewhere, but, should they (TNA) so desire, they (TNA) could/would have the final say. EXAMPLE: if TNA decides, at some point, to start running house shows and touring (which would have to be some sort of goal at some point), and they hadn't reserved the rights to their talents with respect to outside bookings, they'd be fucked. they'd have to get the talent to sign new contracts, and run the risk of losing talent for their weekend shows but still have them as contracted performers for Wednesdays. like i said, the fact that TNA didn't do this previously is immaterial. the rules weren't "changed" as much as the policy wasn't enforced... as their was no need to. however, in gearing up for TV - this is how they wanted to do things with THEIR talent and the contracts reserved their right to do so. ... and "death-to-freedom-of-choice crap"... welll... that would've have been the moment they became CONTRACTED performers who guarenteed their service to an organization and consented to all the provisions of a legally binding document. ......... until concrete evidence is presented otherwise... one would have the function on the assumption that TNA is acting within the framework of the currently standing contracts. otherwise, the cheapest lawyer in the country could void that agreement. if you've read the contracts... show me. i'll take it all back. otherwise, i can't see how any information/reasoning could lead a person to the above lines of thinking.