Dark Age

It's a good thing you cleared that up!

Yeah, he was. But that would have been an interesting storyline, wouldn't you say? Would also explain, like I said, why Taker tried to marry Stephanie. If the marrige was part of the whole Vince plot, and Stephanie hooked up with HHH because she was angry at her dad for having her kinapped and nearly married, than didn't he whole ceremony more or less cause the very event that Taker was trying to prevent? Which would make it even better. Taker tries to prevent the marriage from happening, but in doing some, triggers a chain of events which leads to said event taking place. Nice.

Amusing.

I always thought a friendly rivalry between Christian/Tomko and CCC/Jesus could be quite awesome.

What are you talking about? I doubt he'd get cheered much anywhere else, but Christian is one of the most over heels they have! No reaction? Yeah right.

I've always thought TS9T75 was real. Trish claims to have met a wrestler called Stevie Knight, in the FWA. I was once in a convo with TS9T75, and Stevie Knight's AIM. Knight tells me that it IS Trish, so, yeah, that should cover that one, I think. I don't think the MySpace thing is real, though.

The belts aren't unified.

Ok.

Well, did Cena celebrate with the US title?

Has this been posted?

You know, Doug Basham/Jindrak was a pretty damn good match.....

I'm sorry.

Why on earth would he want to shoot his own mouth off?

This sounds like the best SD in a long while. I'm impressed. Judgment Day doesn't look too shabby, either: John Cena Vs. JBL Kurt Angle Vs. Booker T Eddie Guerrero Vs. Rey Mysterio (or Eddie/Rey Vs. MNM.... maybe both?) Paul London Vs. Chavo Guerrero Orlando Jordan Vs. Big Show (?) Decent. I don't recall anyone hyping Masters, because he has always been terrible. No, not "even Carlito". Carlito wasn't even IN OVW before he debuted, at least not for long.

How have they beaten every team? They have just beaten La Rez about 20 times. And Dean and Maven, but they don't count.

Why the Hell do you even discuss it then? May as well just close down the forum, because everything can be defended with "just be entertained".

This is possibly the worst release they've ever made. Terrible. Fuck them.

Wouldn't have made more sense, then, to have Trips keep the IC title and defend it in his match with Benoit?

MY GOD MAN! all those matches but not the three-way at WMXX or HBK v. angle?!?!?!?! Well, all the matches I listed are better than the 3-Way and Angle/Shawn. I don't think you could put something like Angle/Shawn on this anyway, seen as though its only just happened. You need more time to determine just how good it was.

Rock Vs. Steve Austin - WrestleMania X7 Brock Lesnar Vs. Eddie Guerrero - No Way Out 2004 Steve Austin Vs. Kurt Angle - SummerSlam 2001 Rock Vs. Chris Jericho - No Mercy 2001 Kurt Angle Vs. Chris Benoit - Royal Rumble 2003 Rock Vs. Chris Benoit - Fully Loaded 2000 Chris Jericho Vs. Triple H - Fully Loaded 2000 Kurt Angle and Chris Benoit Vs. Edge and Rey Mysterio - No Mercy 2002 Eddie Guerrero Vs. JBL - Judgment Day 2004 Rey Mysterio Vs. Chavo Guerrero - Great American Bash 2004 Probably some I've forgot. A few TV matches: Kurt Angle Vs. Undertaker - SD 2003 (Lesnar interferes for DQ) Steve Austin Vs. Chris Benoit - SD 2001 Brock Lesnar Vs. Chris Benoit - SD 2003 Steve Austin and Triple H Vs. Chris Benoit and Chris Jericho - Raw 2001 That's all I care to note, really.

Yeah, because that's what I proposed, huh? Fool. The shows need a drastic change. Moving one or two people won't do shit.

I hope this title contender stuff is some sort of league. Every match combination possible and I'll be happy.

Post I did on this a while ago: Replies: 50 Views: 1349 They have to make this MEAN something. Not just a few jobbers and one upper midcarder moving. Really shake up the shows. At least ten or so guys (on both shows) need a change of environment, so do it. The good thing about something like a draft is that it can breath new life in to a character. It's a chance for guys like Val Venis, Hurricane, Rhyno, etc to get a push without it seeming manufactured. In an IDEAL world, they really wouldn't need to make changes, because they'd know how to use the stars as it is. However, they don't, so this is the easy way out for them. That doesn't necessarily make it a bad thing. I'd go with the following: To SmackDown! Chris Jericho - REALLY needs to get away from Triple H. Should go to SD with a heel turn, become the number one heel and probably get the title. Feuds with Eddie and Cena could actually draw. Should gain the most from the draft, as it may be his final chance to become the big draw that he should be. Shawn Michaels - Most seem to want to change Shawn (or Angle) so that both guys are on the same show. I don't see it that way. I'd like Mania to be the only Shawn/Angle match. No rematches are needed. Any way, same as Jericho for Shawn, in the sense that there is nothing left for him to do on Raw. He too needs a heel turn, but it would have to be more gradual, as it wouldn't be as impactful if Jericho and Shawn turn at the same time. Jericho should probably go heel straight away, whereas Shawn should probably develop a little more of an edge, tweener-ish, and turn heel by SSlam. Should be used to put over the likes of Eddie, Rey, Cena, etc. I'd make him the no. 2 heel, but, regardless of that, his main purpose should be to put these guys over. Kane - There's absolutely nothing for Kane on Raw. I think I'd be perversely entertained by a JBL/Kane match. Send him to SmackDown! as a face (for now) and use him well. Christian - Number 3 or 4 heel. Same opponents as already mentioned - Eddie, Cena, Rey, etc. I'd be interested in Cena Vs. Christian more than anything. Send Tomko with him. A confrontation with CCC and Jesus would be fun. Could be a real opportunity to make him a main eventer. Rob Conway - Let him adopt the 'Iron Man' character and give him the US title. He should have got the push that Rene Dupree got last year. See him getting over as a face long-term. Maybe get him involved with the Cabinet. Val Venis - Doing absolutely nothing on Raw - a move to SD could save his career. Either feud with OJ or, preferrebly, put him IN the Cabinet. Have a rivalry between him and OJ (chief of staff + chief Morley). Both constantly trying to impress JBL. Another for the US Title division. Rhyno - Start him off tagging with Tajiri, as on Raw. I think Tajiri/Rhyno Vs. Dudleyz could be fun. Eventually needs to be pushed BIG, and another part of the US Title division. Use him like in the first months after his debut. Face, but a monster. Tajiri - Like I said, he starts off teaming with Rhyno. Eventually, goes back to the cruiserweight division, probably as a face. Do something with him and Akio, maybe with Akio blaming Tajiri for the destruction of Kyo Dai when he left for Raw. If he returns, put Ultimo Dragon in the middle of it. Funaki, too. Hurricane - Doing nothing on Raw, like Val. I want them to push the tag titles on both shows, but Hurricane/Rosey is a dead team anyway, so splitting them up won't hurt too much. To the cruiserweight division he goes, and actually give him some storylines. Have other cruisers try to turn him to the "darkside", have him try to convert heels, etc. Needs a nemesis. Nova would have worked, but not now. Maybe Shannon Moore. It could work. Also, give him proper superhero music. Like Liger. He'd be over. Garrison Cade - I don't really know why. I guess you could do the HBCade think that has already been mentioned. You could reunite him with Jindrak if another tag team is needed. If not HBCade, make him more like his OVW self. COWBOY~! Tyson Tomko - Just because he needs to stay with Christian. To Raw Kurt Angle - I don't know what the deal is with Kurt's injuries, but, if he's ok, he can go to Raw. Luther goes with him. I'd love to see a rivalry between Team Angle and Evolution, but then I'm a sucker for heel/heel. Shelton and Charlie would be on Raw, so even if he doesn't wrestle, he could still be used. Needs to job to Benoit before he retires. Taker will be here as well, so they can finally do that match. Undertaker - Get him out of the way of Eddie and Cena. On Raw, he can work with Kurt as he apparently wants to. You can do something with the Orton stuff as well. Matches with Benoit, Edge and Batista are all fresh as well. DO NOT MAKE HIM THE NUMBER ONE FACE. He's an an attraction - a sideshow. He jobs, just like Shawn. Also, drop the deadman crap. Either have him be a more realistic Deadman, like in summer 99 just before he left, or just go back to being biker Taker. He can be summer 99 Taker if he rocks the Ministry theme. Big Show - He can work with Batista here. He's getting in the way of the important SmackDown faces with Taker, so move him to Raw. Should probably turn heel after a bit. Charlie Haas - Team him with Shelton for a bit. Have it seem like Charlie is holding Shelton back, and have Shelton lose the IC belt because of it. Then, have Charlie say that the tag titles are more important. THEN, have Charlie win the IC title himself. HEEL TURN! And then, finally, bring Kurt into the equation and do a big Team Angle storyline. Luther Reigns - with Kurt. Stick him in the IC division. Billy Kidman - They have enough cruisers IF THEY USE THEM, and Kidman seems bigger than the rest of them now, so move him to Raw. Put him in the IC title division, and maybe we could get some good matches with Hardy, Shelton, etc. Rene Dupree - See Conway. Rene should have stayed on Raw. Put him back with Grenier. Maybe have to win Grenier over to prove that he's loyal to LR or something, I dunno. Hardcore Holly - Jobber to the IC guys. He's not THAT bad, so you could get some decent matches. Ready made match with Haas. Heidenreich - As mentioned, team him with Snitsky. Sure, it'd be horrible, but it could be funny. WGTT Vs. Snitsky/Heidi seems like one of those matches that I just have to see. Scotty - He's pretty useless. Doesn't git with the cruisers at all, so send him here. I'd team Rosey and Simon Dean (Simon System for Rosey!) so maybe get Scotty involved and try to convince Rosey that Dean is no good for him. Simon Vs. Scotty could be watchable, and you have the chance of striking lucky and getting a new version of Too Cool with Scotty/Rosey. Kenzo Suzuki - Just because.

Name who was better. Really. Chris Jericho and Shawn Michaels are the only two who come close, and there's nothing from either man AT THAT TIME that would suggest they were better than Booker T.

Stop saying worker. You don't know what it means, so shut the fuck up saying it. He hasn't had a **** singles match? And? Because WWE is just FULL of ****+ matches, right? If you want to go on YOUR shitty scale for * ratings, then Book has had a ****+ singles match. With Kurt Angle in 01. When Kurt won the WCW title. But, tell me, when has he really been given the opportunity to have great matches? Taker, Edge and Big Show were the only PPV singles matches he had between dropping the WCW title to Rock (SS01) and his title match with Triple H (WM03). He's supposed to have a "****+ singles match" with who, exactly? Show? How many times did Book get enough time to have a "****+ singles match" on Raw? Only long matches in that time, that I can think of, on free TV, are his series with Angle (which were all good), and his SD match with Austin, which was very good, and better than most "classic" WWE TV matches. Other than that, what exactly? What is he supposed to do, have a **** match when wrestling Test for 4 minutes? Also, Booker carred (yes, carried) Triple H to his best match of 02 and 03 at WrestleMania. Trips was blown up, and didn't do much of anything. Booker's selling, bumping, and offence made the match good. He was also a part of Triple H's best Raw match (the WM rematch). What consistent match quality? Show me all the great Shawn matches of 03. No, show me the good matches. Jericho at WM? Maybe. What else? His matches with Orton sucked, his BB match with Flair sucked, and I can't think of any other notable singles matches he had, apart from the overrated Triple H match at year end. Booker being over isn't arguable. I know you have something against him, but just drop it.