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Which goes to show that RAW got the bum side of the draft.

Can we please stop talking about Owen.

Please HTQ, stop talking down to me like Im some 4 year old child. Other people dont do it and we still talk. Just because I disagree with you doesnt make me a moron. Excuse me for watching wrestling to see wrestling. I pay to watch wrestling. Which would you book last though? Cause they cant work a match like they used to. Im not disputing that the crowd will be hot for it. Im referring to story in the ring, not sports entertainment glitter and sparkle (and then level of writing and creation in the WWE is very poor at the moment). The same question as to HTQ, which match do you book last? I watch all wrestling for wrestling, since where I live, I dont get much and its a take or leave situation (its pretty much just the WWE). It will to me and it will to us. Casual fans, as people like to post, are not wrestling fans. Unfortunate is the operative word for this situation in my eyes. Im not going to apologise to anybody for being a wrestling fan. I watch wrestling to see wrestling. That concept is lost in the WWE but I still watch it for that. Everything that is not in-ring related is extra and should only add to what happens in the ring. Excuse me for being a wrestling fan and not an extravagenza circus top lover. I am purist and a tradionalist, and for that I have nothing to apologise, nor anything to be embarrased of. As far as I see it this arguement and me being involved in it is closed since theres no point in beating an old drum from where I stand. Excuse me for having an opinion and being passionate about wrestling and not fucking sports-entertainment.

And what did that rub do for Rocky? Where did it take him? Exactly, and whats stopping Austin getting injured in that match? Youve said it, its 7 years late, which translates into: I dont want to see something which is 7 years late. Nostalgia at what price though, not making a new star? WM added to Cena and Batista, why take that away from them. You and HTQ are looking at the $$$ signs, Im looking at the product I will see in the ring. Id like to see Bret-Angle or Bret-Benoit or Bret-Eddie or Bret-Jericho, but I know it wont be any good. The match wont do well, is that how you want to be remembered? Im not denying its drawing power. It is their biggest draw and that is really, really sad. But its a case of too little, too late. What did it do for the Rock? Erased the stigma that Rock wasn't good enough to hang with Austin. Something that Austin didnt want the rock to live with. It wasn't a professional rub, it was a personal rub. What's stopping ANYONE from getting injured? Every wrestler is liable for injury by walking into that ring. Austin and Hogan know the risk and for them, the reward and statisfaction of that moment for them would outweigh the potential damage they may endure which is VERY low considering it would be the safest worked match since...ever. There's a difference in doing Bret/anyone you named and Hogan/Austin. Bret was remembered for technically brillant wrestling. Austin and Hogan are larger then life characters that dont need to work with that parameter. The casual fans, the ones they are using to draw in, they already got the "real" fans, such as us to buy the show or should do so. Hogan/Austin brings in that extra crowd they werent going to get with Brock/Batista and HHH/Cena. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> In life, you get something and you use it to take you somewhere higher. You go to unversity to get a degree to help you in your career. You buy a car to drive it. I know that The Rock is just as good as Austin, we all know that. People critised it for being Rock-Austin III. For me, that adding nothing to The Rock's character when he appears in a WWE ring (WHEN he does) and if you believe otherwise, were not on the same wavelength and its pointless continuing this arguement. I dont want to see the safest worked match ever, I want to see the 2 greatest wrestlers of all time does beat the living hell out of each other to see who is the better man once and for all. Im not going to that, so it holds little enterainment value for me. Your selling yourself out for that extra 1-off crowd (and when I say you, I dont mean you KNK).

Did you see Hogan do the legdrop to Carlito? It was the safest and lightest legdrop he ever did. If Hogan hits the legdrop on Austin, he isn't going to to damage Austin one bit, because it will have all the force of a baby's fart. You're not Austin, and I'm betting that his neck, and overall body is more muscled than yours, which helps with absorbing and taking impact. Austin obviously felt it was worth the risk to compete at WM XIX. And that match isn't going more than 10 minutes, if that, so the risk, such as it is, is minimal. I'd wager that not one casual fan cares that both men are broken down, and can't pull out a good match. They might know, and probably do, but they will overlook that. Has Hogan still got it and can go? Not as a regular performer, but as a nostalgia act, he can still go and what is needed, simply because being a nostalgia act is different to being a regular player. Of course Hogan is not in his prime, but that has absolutely nothing to do with his drawing power as part of the biggest dream match US wrestling has to offer, because the people drawn in by it don't care. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> And unless they go all out for it in those 10 minutes (which they cant), the match will be a flop (which it will). There will be no story to it either, which takes the shine off any wrestling match. Austin should go after Hogan's leg and Hogan should go after Austin's neck for it to be perfect, but they wont, as weve clearly pointed out. What would you rather see, Batista and Lesnar lock horns to prove who is the better monster or to see who could have been the wrestler 8 years ago? Why do you watch wrestling? I watch wrestling to see good wrestling matches. He doesnt have it as a nostalgia act. HBK, when he come back as a 1 gig only thing went at it and showed that he still had it. Hogans done nothing like that. Its a dream, leave it so I say. Id rather see, Batista-Lesnar, Lesnar-Benoit, Benoit-Eddie, Benjamin-Angle, hell, even Michaels-Angle in the ME at the grandest stage of them all, then 2 beat out, beat up shells of their former selves. Make somebody like Benjamin a start, elevate him please.

And what did that rub do for Rocky? Where did it take him? Exactly, and whats stopping Austin getting injured in that match? Youve said it, its 7 years late, which translates into: I dont want to see something which is 7 years late. Nostalgia at what price though, not making a new star? WM added to Cena and Batista, why take that away from them. You and HTQ are looking at the $$$ signs, Im looking at the product I will see in the ring. Id like to see Bret-Angle or Bret-Benoit or Bret-Eddie or Bret-Jericho, but I know it wont be any good. The match wont do well, is that how you want to be remembered? Im not denying its drawing power. It is their biggest draw and that is really, really sad. But its a case of too little, too late. I dont like HBK but he is doing a good job. Its a shame that people like Cena and Jericho are suffering because of this.

I think that we have to distinguish between a dream match that is a realistic possibility and a dream match that we fantasise about. No Hogan-Austin today could capture want wed want it to be. Its a dream in our minds, just like every match involving Hogan and Austin is, and IMHO it should stay there. They could have done this at WMXVIII and WMXIX but they didnt. Weve added 3 years to that now. Id rather dream for HBK-Eddy for example, which I know can deliver than hold out for Hogan-Austin. And no, Im not denying that it would sell, but at what cost? And Im not just referring to money costs. If I saw the match without watching wrestling in ages, yes, I would be interested. Id be all cool, Hogan-Austin. And then Id see the sorry state that they are in. And then Id be like boy they look old. And then Id tune into RAW and not see either Hogan or Austin but Snitsky-Kane 1973407559, CCC-Benjamin 10758590452 and HHH-HBK 53957905728576. And Id then Id say what fucking crap. Great, the finish will be a big boot by Hogan to Austin.

Austin has one match left in him, as long as it is safe. And it doesn't get any safer than wrestling Hogan. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Why one match and not 2, 3 or 4 if they are safe? <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Because of the risk and danger to his neck. One match would be ok, but any more than that is chancing it, and there is no point in doing that. The Austin v Hogan dream match will outdraw any other match WWE could put on, and may even break records. Whether that builds for the future or not, and it won't other than allowing a ton of people to catch their current stars which likely won't mean a thing, it's the Holy Grail of dream matches. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Whats stopping something going wrong in that much and he still damages his neck? It can happen at any time, he could trip up and fall very badly or be hit by a car heaven forbid. Why spoil the sure thing for the possible maybe? I couldnt care about 2 over the hill wrestlers in the ring. It is a dream match yes, a dream match that I wanted to see in 1998, not 2006 (and even Hogan was out of it then). Why deprive your roster for this?Is this going to be RAW's ME for WM? Higher on the card than the WWE Title Match? And then what after the Holy Grail takes place? Look at Goldberg-Brock, 2 monsters meet, a whole lot of good that didnt it. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> The chances of anything going wrong in that match are as small as they get. Hogan does nothing high risk, or even medium risk; his offense is as low risk as it gets. And Austin isn't going to do anything silly either. They don't need to do anything risky anyway, so they won't. Did you miss the part about this match having the potential to set records, and that it would draw more money than any other match WWE could put on? Casual fans would die to see this match. Because this match can get more eyeballs watching WM 22 than any other match, which in turn exposes the WWE product to more people, and hopefully creates some new fans. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Theres nothing stopping a bad fall or something like that. Wrestling is dangerous. Obviously, nobody would want anything to go wrong but accidents and mistakes can happen, like not falling on his neck properly when executing a leg drop. Its very eay to jar your neck. I have weak muscles, sometimes just over-streching can pull something leaving me in great pain. Is it worth the risk on his part? Was his WMXIX match worth the risk? Your putting money over a person's well being for a 20 min max thrill. In 1998 it would. If a fan doesnt know that Austin is at breaking point and a viewer cant realise that Hogan is an over the top OAP has-been then there is something wrong with that person. Anybody who watches Hogan and believes hes still got it and can go needs help. You could pay me a million dollars and I still wouldnt say that Hogan is in his prime. And then the eyeballs tune in and see what crap the WWE is currently promoting.

Since all three of those guys have passed, it would be fitting for the remaining living member to be there on Bret's big day, and could make for an even more emotional moment. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> He could still be there, like Hogan did with his family.

Why does everybody book TBS-HBK? Id prefer to HBK-Benjamin and TBS-Masters. People have also said that Jericho wont be there either. I can see them doing: Cena-Angle (WWE) RVD-Carlito (IC) Matt-Edge (Streetfight) HBK-Benjamin TBS-Masters (Submissions Match) SuperHeros-Heartthrobs (Tag) Trish-Victoria (Womans) Eugene-Striker

Yes, she is childesh but you cant deny shes not a firecraker. If she grows up a bit . . . <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Yeah at least Christy seems like she loves what she's doing. Unlike the other new divas in the past year or so who look like they could care less about what they're doing. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Yes, exactly. So much energy. The only good thing to come out of the Diva Search. Most probably the reason why Vince thought it was a good idea, and the reason why we have the 2nd edition this year. I can only see Alexis or whatever name is bringing that vibe, although I prefer Leyla, and then Beth. Dont see how Kristal is still there though. Shes so meh. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Maria = gold <{POST_SNAPBACK}> I dont like her. She doesnt attract me to her and her on air character blows.

Austin has one match left in him, as long as it is safe. And it doesn't get any safer than wrestling Hogan. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Why one match and not 2, 3 or 4 if they are safe? <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Because of the risk and danger to his neck. One match would be ok, but any more than that is chancing it, and there is no point in doing that. The Austin v Hogan dream match will outdraw any other match WWE could put on, and may even break records. Whether that builds for the future or not, and it won't other than allowing a ton of people to catch their current stars which likely won't mean a thing, it's the Holy Grail of dream matches. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Whats stopping something going wrong in that much and he still damages his neck? It can happen at any time, he could trip up and fall very badly or be hit by a car heaven forbid. Why spoil the sure thing for the possible maybe? I couldnt care about 2 over the hill wrestlers in the ring. It is a dream match yes, a dream match that I wanted to see in 1998, not 2006 (and even Hogan was out of it then). Why deprive your roster for this? Is this going to be RAW's ME for WM? Higher on the card than the WWE Title Match? And then what after the Holy Grail takes place? Look at Goldberg-Brock, 2 monsters meet, a whole lot of good that didnt it.

Hence my has beens comment. A Hogan win adds to the Michaels prize.

My point exactly, negating the crap that he spews.

Austin has one match left in him, as long as it is safe. And it doesn't get any safer than wrestling Hogan. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Why one match and not 2, 3 or 4 if they are safe?

Why would he turn down the title if given it? Why wouldnt he wrestle somebody for it if its booked as so?

I thought Austin is not in a position to risk another match though. This makes Hogan-Austin at WM a long shot at best.

Last time I checked we were in August though. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Your point? <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Theres time to think up another gift.

Does Michaels staying a face make sense? No, it doesnt.

That is the big match they are wanting to do, so Hogan should win. And he will win. Shawn doesn't need to win, because he can stay over no matter what, so he isn't going to. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> But Hogan doesnt wrestle as much as HBK does. Hogans over the hill. How can they phase Hogan out after a win? HBK would look weak. I was waiting for the pop. No, of course not, but its sad that the WWE has to push an older guy with a broken back so much to get buys. They should be in a better position that this. Welcome to the board slmon.

Yes, she is childesh but you cant deny shes not a firecraker. If she grows up a bit . . . <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Yeah at least Christy seems like she loves what she's doing. Unlike the other new divas in the past year or so who look like they could care less about what they're doing. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Yes, exactly. So much energy. The only good thing to come out of the Diva Search. Most probably the reason why Vince thought it was a good idea, and the reason why we have the 2nd edition this year. I can only see Alexis or whatever name is bringing that vibe, although I prefer Leyla, and then Beth. Dont see how Kristal is still there though. Shes so meh.

Last time I checked we were in August though.

Now if I could find a woman like that. Isnt it coming out near Xmas, like in November?

Yes, she is childesh but you cant deny shes not a firecraker. If she grows up a bit . . .

LOL. Must go on about him a real lot then. In a way, its your own fault then that theres no surprises this year.