Hunter's Torn Quad

Name one babyface who got to the top level because the people felt sorry for him. Mikey Whipwreck. though most of you probably will ignore ECW here. You're joking, right ? Mikey was only a cult favorite while getting sympathy, and by the time he had risen up the card, he was considered a gutsy underdog, but was no longer someone the fans felt sorry for, because he could clearly hold his own. And as much of a fan of ECW as I am, let's not kid ourselves about how big they truly were.

If a much hyped guy loses to a scrub on his debut, the people will remember. That kind of thing, where a heavily hyped wrestler loses to a jobber in his debut, isn't easily forgotten, no matter what certain people think.

Name one babyface who got to the top level because the people felt sorry for him.

Rocky was undefeated on televison for months into his debut. For a much hyped guy to lose his first match in to a scrub is the kiss of death as far as reaching his true potential. Yes, you might be able to salvage something out of the guy, but to lose to someone seen as a jobber in your first match after a ton of hype will see most of that potential thrown away. It's just that simple.

If a much hyped wrestler loses his first match in to a proven scrub like Val Venis, you can forget about him being a major player. In time, you might be able to make a credible midcarder out of the guy, but if a guy who is hyped up for ages gets beaten by a nobody, then you've just wasted all that hype, because most of his potential juice just go flushed down the toilet.

He broke his leg during training.

They were trying to get him to quit. Well hell, a lot of the best storylines come from reality, right? True. This, however, is not one of them.

They were trying to get him to quit.

He got fired in March of 1995 for getting legal trouble over guns and steroids. Neither Warrior or Savage was going to turn heel at Summerslam.

No, because Luger was considered such a negative babyface that it was felt such a feud would do more to turn Bulldog back babyface than establish his heel turn. It's also why Bulldog did his big turn against Diesel and not Luger. Bulldog turning on Luger would have wound up with Davey Boy being the babyface, Luger was that un-over as a babyface. Dude that was 95 most wwf fans would listen to anything vince told them. anyhow at the very least they probably would have had a short feud. but DBS was meant to challenge diesel and he did in oct at the IYH ppv I'll try once again. There was never going to be a feud between Bulldog and Luger, because Luger was considered such a negative babyface that it was felt Bulldog attacking Luger would turn Bulldog babyface by default. It was also why Bulldog didn't do his heel turn on Luger, because, as I've already said, Luger was considered such a weak babyface that it would only have resulted in Bulldog being seen as a babyface.

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No, because Luger was considered such a negative babyface that it was felt such a feud would do more to turn Bulldog back babyface than establish his heel turn. It's also why Bulldog did his big turn against Diesel and not Luger. Bulldog turning on Luger would have wound up with Davey Boy being the babyface, Luger was that un-over as a babyface.

From the Meltzer survey that's posted somewhere in the WWE Lounge, when he invited wrestling fans over 30 to tell him why they'd stopped watching: Make no mistake about it; they messed this storyline up in a bad way.

I don’t do it anymore because it’s just not worth putting all that work in for a group of people who are, for the most part, a bunch of ingrates.

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Hunter didn't start to really get over until hooking up with Shawn. Before then, he wasn't over anywhere like they wanted him to be, which is why he was put with Shawn in the first place.

Whether he should have jobbed to Davey Boy or not, once the match was set up, given what Davey had done, and given that the company had told eveyone it was going to show Shawn was professional, he should have done the job.

Never use a screwjob as a better case. Then I guess you're ignoring the fact that Kurt costing Shawn the match would have built up Shawn's match with Kurt, which would have had a clean finish, so the fans would ultimately not have been screwed.

The point was that Hunter got chance after chance after chance to try and get over, even when the fans still weren't taking to him at all. If everyone got that kind of effort, things would be a whole lot better.

Assuming your scenario was correct, how did it protect the integrity of the title when the guy winning it obviously didn't beat the champion ? As for Shawn needing to be kept strong, that's a good one. He's over enough that he could have afforded to have lost the match thanks to Kurt interfering, which itself would have gotten his WM match even more.

Brian Pillman had a less than short lived interview segment, called The Ticking Timebomb. He taped at least one segment with Shawn Michaels, but it never aired, and I don't think it was ever done again.

The point was that the new champion should have been the one to open Raw. He's just won the 'World' Title, he is meant to be the new face of the brand, so it's him who should have opened the first Raw of his reign. Would it have done any harm to have Batista open Raw with a short promo that would have let him have all the spotlight, without having to share it with anyone else, or a match that had just happened ? Not only that, the show really should have ended with the all the focus on Batista. He's meant to be the new face of Raw, so at least let the first Raw of his reign begin and end with him being the sole focus, and the former champion staying in the back.

I believe it was a combination of Nash's frailty and a belief that the match wouldn't be any good, though more to do with Nash's physical condition. If you remember, Nash was literally falling apart during his 2002 run; he only wrestled seven matches before he tore his quad, and even before that he suffered some sort of muscle tear, with that occuring after his first or second actual match.

Shawn had constantly been unprofessional towards Bret, and had repeatedly said and done things to wind him up. Do you really find it surprising that Bret eventually snapped ? To use that as any kind of proof or indication that Bret was unprofessional is absurd. All it shows is that Bret had a breaking point towards Shawn's behavior, and he couldn't keep quiet any longer. As for how trustworthy either man was, especially during this time period, Bret was easily far above Shawn.

A: Bret might not be a saint, but he's a lot more trustworthy than Shawn was at that time. As for why he'd do the job in return, it would be because he'd be professional about it. All he asked was that Shawn was professional first. B: As is mentioned in the first post, the company wanted to show everyone that Shawn really was a professional, and that he would do the job he was asked to do. They felt Shawn would do what they asked him to. Obviously, they were wrong. As for Shawn being scum, he knew that Davey Boy had dedicated the match to his dying sister when he refused to do the job. Also, Shawn waited until almost the last minute to state he would not do the job.