Hunter's Torn Quad

But who are you, her husband, or anybody to decide she doesn't want to live? If she wanted to die, she should've put it in writing. Her husband's justification for not divorcing her makes little sense. -=Mike I'm not saying she doesn't want to live. I'm just saying that at what point do you take into account that quality of life, if you can even call it that, that she has ?

If there is no way to know for sure she would want to be allowed to die then I can see the rationale in keeping her alive, but at what point do you take into account her quality of life ? If they keep her around much longer she's liable to sprout mushrooms.

Shawn was pretty well passed out in the back of the car, and Bulldog and Waltman, for whatever reason, had trouble getting out of the car, so the marines had a ton of free shots on Michaels, who was in no condition to defend himself. When Bulldog and Waltman finally did get out of the car, the marines, however many were there, quickly fled.

Watching that match, and the excellent video package that hyped it up beforehand, generated the aura that I wasn't just watching a Wrestlemania main event, but that I was watching something special that went beyond a wrestling contest. That kind of aura and feeling is something that very few matches have ever done, and it's something that WWE haven't come close to since.

The Hogan v Warrior match was always going to headline WM VI, hence the tease during the Rumble match itself. Why do you think it even happened in the first place ?

Ratings fell? SmackDown! Went through its best period since the Brand split at that time!! Yeah the entire show was a better product than what it is today, and Paul Heyman was writing the script, but Hogan only HELPED the ratings boom. It was when Eddie Guerrero took the title from Brock Lesnar that the SmackDown! Ratings recession began. Wow. Just, wow. Smackdown ratings for when Hogan was champion: April 18th 2002: 3.8 (Last SD with Hunter as champion) April 25th 2002: 3.4 May 2nd 2002: 2.9 May 9th 2002: 3.6 May 16th 2002: 3.6 May 23rd 2002: 3.6 (First SD with Undertaker as champion) Raw ratings for when Hogan was champion: April 15th 2002: 4.8 (Last Raw with Hunter as champion) April 22nd 2002: 4.8 April 29th 2002: 4.4 May 6th 2002: 4.6 May 12th 2002: 3.9 May 20th 3.7: (First Raw with Undertaker as champion) Smackdown's ratings fell almost a full point under Hogan's watch. Raw's ratings fell almost a point under Hogan's watch. Please, tell me how that is a boom. Better yet, don't bother. I'm tired of having to listen to the drivel of some blind mark.

Claiming someone’s views are idiotic is extremely childish. Hulk Hogan is the most popular man in Professional wrestling history, and he made his gimmick that way. He and Vince moulded that character and that character went on to put Professional wrestling in the public eye, which lead to WrestleMania. Hulk Hogan made the business big, in terms of capital, which made it possible to afford big shows like WrestleMania which helped develop Professional wrestling’s image among casual viewers and fans. Without Hulk Hogan the business would never have become mainstream, no one (i.e. Ted Turner) would have seem the potential in the industry and Professional wrestling would more than likely still be a travelling circus. Less he means to you, which is only an opinion. I think you're clearly outnumbered on this subject when you listen to the pops Hogan got in his last run, and when he is introduced at WrestleMania 21. I guess you’ll just have to turn the sound down. Most fans cheer Hogan because he entertained them for years, other just act like they were somehow backstage and have a right to comment on Hogan's Backstage behaviour based on things they've read. People need to realise they are fans and nothing more. Hogan entertained the fans, it's as simple as that. You did with this: and this: You said the IWC may hate Hogan but that real fans still cheer him. That says you think the IWC aren't real fans for hating him. They are fans just as much as you would claim to be. Just because they don't blindly worship Hogan, it doesn't make them any less of a fan. Not when those views are nonsensical and more pipe dreaming that based on fact. Oh boy, a mark for the pop. Hogan got monster pops at WM XVIII and on Raw and SD the days after. So Vince put the Undisputed title on him, feeling the pops meant he was super over. Ratings sank like a stone. Hogan is a nostalgia act, and any attempt to push him as something else will fail miserably. Never said he didn't. But to try and simplify things with such a line is to ignore everything else that makes up the Hogan figure. If you wish to bury your head in the sand, go ahead and do so. It just means you're unable and unwilling to look at the big picture.

This one is true.

Yes. Hogan called a clear audible signaling for the others remaining wrestlers to get lost and dumped over the ropes. The double ME was looking like Warrior/Rude and Hogan/Perfect for the title but that got changed at the end of the Rumble by Hogan. The power Hogan wielded when he was on top dwarfs the power HHH holds today. Everything has to be approved by Vince today but back then that wasn't always the case. If you're talking about WM VI, the main event was always going to be Hogan v Warrior. I'd say it was more likely Hunter has more power than Hogan did have. Right now, Hunter is pretty much running the whole show, which is something Hogan didn't do, both because he didn't have the mind for it, and because he was busy with numerous side projects. And let's face it, being married to the daughter of the boss is the ultimate power position.

Borga was going to face Earthquake at WM X, in what would have been a match for the ages.

As I said above, numerous people have confirmed the story that DiBiase was going to get the WWF Title. And Andre's toughness is more myth and legend than reality.

I still don't see a heel winning a big tournament at Wrestlemania...heels NEVER won to end PPVs at this time period. So was the plan Dibiase vs. Hogan for WM5 then? Both DiBiase, HTM, and others have confirmed that DiBiase was going to win the title. I would surmise that DiBiase v Hogan was planned for WM V, and that the Hogan v DiBiase storyline would have revolved around Hogan regaining the WWF title from a greedy champion, who would have likely cheated his way through a year long reign.

This type of line always gets a laugh out of me. What the goings on backstage have to do with fans is when they actively affect the product you watch on tv and a the arenas. I'm not just talking about whether this guy or that guy gets a push, but when the politics affects the product as a whole. Remember, if you were around then, when, in 1994-1995, WCW turned more into a cartoon-like WWF show ? Why do you think that happened ? Tons of stuff goes on backstage that fans should be worried about, because, whether they like to admit it or not, it directly affects the overall product, and can make things less entertaining or interesting for them. What sanctimonious crap. People aren't real fans because they hate Hogan ? Maybe they just don't like the political games he's played over the years. Ever think about that ? Maybe they just don't like the bullshit he's pulled over the years. And the respect line is laughable. Does he deserve respect ? Sure, but not blind hero worship to where his less honorable actions get ignored and brushed under the carpet. I can like what someone has done for wrestling, and I can appreciate their contributions, but that in no way means I have to respect them. Maybe in its current form, but to even suggest that without Hogan there would no WWE is beyond idiotic. Suggestion mainstream wrestling wouldn't be around is even more silly. McMahon would have found someone to make his promotional superman, even if it wasn't Hogan, and while things might not have become as big with whoever it might have been, with Vince's promotional mind, things still would have gone mainstream, because that's the direction the business was going in anyway. Hogan just made it monster huge. It still would have gotten big without him, even if it wasn't at the level it got to with Hogan. And by April 4th, it'll have dislocated a hip. Hogan is running on nostalgia fumes, and the longer he stays around with each visit the less he means.

The survey was conducted by some major survey company, so they talked more than just 'hardcore' fans. They talked to casual WCW fans, hardcore WCW fans, the works. It wasn't just a small section they talked to. The Vampiro squash to Disco was meant to be about 10 minutes, then as Vampiro was going out he was told it was cut to 3 minutes, and then when he got to the ring, the referee said it was now 45 seconds.

DiBiase was indeed meant to get the WWF Title at WM IV, but Savage got it instead when HTM refused to drop the IC belt to him. Hogan's black eye at WM IX was down to an accident.

This was posted by the webmaster of Matt Hardy's official website: Matt Hardy then replied with the following: Also, the Matt fact now reads: "Matt E Fact #6: Matt has never betrayed a close friend." Can we try not to have any talk of an 'invasion', and stick to plain old gossiping. Not that you can invade anything right now, because the message board and the entire site has been suspended.

I've never liked Hulk Hogan, but I didn't start to dislike/hate him until he refused to acknowledge his time was up and step down. I've never liked Terry Bollea either. And why is it assumed that everyone just had to be a fan of his at some point ?

We can blame Russo for some of HH, as he changed a number of the finishes. Berlyn had just debuted and should have beaten Brad Armstrong, who had no credibility at all, but instead Russo had Armstrong win clean for no reason other than it was a result people wouldn't expect. It didn't matter that common sense dictated that Berlyn went over strong, Russo was determined to surprise people. Bret Hart should have beaten Luger, but once again we got a finish that made no sense considering where things were going, and was done solely to surprise people, regardless of how stuipd it was. And then there was the whole Sting/Hogan debacle, which was another brainfart of Russo's, and really signalled the crashing of PPV buy rates for WCW. The problem with that is that it wasn't want WCW's fans wanted. WCW did a big survey of their fans, asking them what they wanted, and the response was less inane angles and soap opera bullshit, and more focus on wrestling. This wasn't a minority part of the audience, but a big chunk of it. They stated loud and clear what they wanted to see in WCW, but Russo, ever the genius, ignored WCW's own fans, and went on to do tremendous damage to WCW, from which it never recovered I don't know how anyone could like that tournement. Outside interference in almost every match, none of them were any good bar the ones with Bret Hart or Chris Benoit, and what miniscule credibility the WCW belt had by the time the finals came around was destroyed by an overbooked final between Bret and Chris, in yet another example of Russo not giving the fans what they wanted, and giving them what he wanted instead.

And JJ is World Champ and AJ isn't close. Yeah, JJ is SUCH a great guy. Hunter has done more good for the WWE than Jeff has done for TNA. By a stunningly large margin. Wow, lets bring up something completely un-related to try and get over a baseless bullshit argument... Triple H has nothing to do with Jeff Jarrett and TNA.. AJ Styles has been World Champion twice.. It's called making a comparison. You might want to try it someday, as it might give your fawning over Jarrett some credibility, because it sure needs it. And yes, AJ was World Champion twice. The first time he was portrayed as needing Russo to win all the time. His second reign was only to keep the belt warm so that Jarrett could win it back when it came time for TNA to debut on national television. Nobody has been given the TWO YEARS OF ATTEMPTS IN TNA alone to try. Nobody. And JJ hasn't done shit. And this FOLLOWED him not drawing a dime in WCW. Or the WWF spending YEARS getting him to develop SOME semblance of heat. There are many more factors to drawing than the actual person. You have to take into consideration the factors. Theres the product, interest level, exposure, etc. Only a certain few have proven they can draw no matter what like the Hogans and Austins. Nobody was drawing in WCW at the end. TNA has little exposure and the product has been up and down and not really many people could draw immediately in TNA... It would take a whole lot of time.. I'm not saying Jarrett has proven himself as a draw... But it is not fair to judge his drawing power on TNA alone... And prior to WCW he wasn't really in the main picture so you can't really say he wasn't a draw when he wasn't in the position to. So many attempts at excusing Jarrett's total lack of ability to draw. Jarrett has tried his damnedest for over two years to get over using TNA, but it hasn't worked. And it won't work, because he just isn't a top level guy. He never has been, and he never will be. As was pointed out many times in this thread, Dusty, who is meant to be the one in charge of the wrestling made the call to have DDP beat Jarrett for the NWA Title. Jarrett refused. Whether Jarrett or you didn't think it was right for him to drop the belt doesn't matter. The guy who is meant to have the final say thought it was right. Sadly, the guy who has the real final say didn't think so. It doesn't take a genius to see that TNA is all about Jeff Jarrett. It's his personal vehicle to try and get himself over as a star. Until the day it dies, that's all it will be about. The only person delusional here is you. So many feeble excuses for Jarrett's display of ego and his total inability to get over. Only someone related to Jarrett would be so unable and unwilling to see that Jarrett will be the death of TNA as long as he refuses to drop the NWA title and let others have their shot at the main event without him to drag everything down. Jarrett wouldn't be the first person to put a company out of business because of his obsession with trying to make himself a star. And there is no 'supposing' anything about Jarrett's ego. It's been displayed in all its glory for the last 2 and a half years. Yours being a bang-up example. -=Mike Thanks for the kind words but i was more referring to your witty baseless sarcastic bullshit.. Yours are the most ignorant and baseless posts in this thread. Not one of your posts has been based on any kind of logical and credible rationale, but in what appears to be some warped and disturbing worship of Jeff Jarrett.

Jarrett will drop the title at some point, but it'll be purely to ease the heat he's got with the rest of the roster, and he'll have his vanity belt back very quickly.

I can blame Jarrett. Official or not, Jarrett has the final call; Dusty wanted Jarrett to lost the NWA title to DDP, but Jarrett didn't want to, and look who won out. And yes, you are crazy, because I didn't think anyone outside of Jarrett's immediate family were deluded enough to think he was getting the right kind of heat and was over as NWA Champion. Wrong, on many levels. Heel heat can still be generated. Jarrett just isn't talented enough to get that. They hate Jarrett, and not in a good way. Deep down, Jarrett knows it; look how he mocked them for it a few weeks ago on tv.

I bet they would. Unlikely, because at least Daniels matches would be fresh and innovative, and wouldn't see the exact same finishing sequence each and every time. Or do you actually like repetitive, overbooked finishes in your main events ?

If Daniels holds the X Division title as long as Jarrett has held his vanity belt, I doubt TNA fans will be chanting, "Drop the belt" at him. And did you even see the Daniels/Skipper v AMW cage match ? Daniels was getting monster pops in that. Bigger ones that just about everyone else you mentioned. His matches will definitely be more entertaining that Jarrett's, because Jarrett's all have the exact same overbooked finish, which gets boring real fast.

If Rock does come in, which will almost certainly not happen, it's no secret who he'll be asked to put over. It'll be the same guy that every big name who comes in to wrestle puts over.

You might want to go back and check the main events for the first year of TNA. Jarrett was in them just as much as the X Division guys were. Not to mention the time he made Triple X his personal bitches in that gauntlet series.