Hunter's Torn Quad

There was a time Hunter was getting injured almost every other week.

Not to mention that, internally, getting Jericho was Jim Ross's number one goal of 1999. Management considered getting Jericho's services a top priority.

Beside the obvious answer of people politicking for HBK to get his win back, it's WWE policy to, in some fashion, let the babyface get some form of victory at the end of a feud, even if it is just a moral one.

Actually, the main problem with this thread is people who are unable or, like you, unwilling to see that their favorite winning was wrong for business. And of course you won't change your opinion, because that would involve you having to admit that Michaels winning, while great for sentimentality, was bad for business, for all the reasons that have been explained. The only reason for Michaels to win was purely for a feel-good ending to the feud, when the best thing for business was Jericho winning, and leaving Michaels to get his win at a Raw, or even building it up for a 'B' level Raw PPV where it could even have been used to draw some buys. Jericho winning being the best thing for business is obvious to anyone with a clue, which seems to be why such a fact is beyond you. As for who thought Jericho would be one of, if not the biggest star by 2005, that would be people who are in favor of change and progression, which sees new top stars made, and guys whose time has a main eventer has passed, like Shawn, to do what is best for business and step aside, to let someone new draw money.

35, apparently. http://us.imdb.com/name/nm0266258/

Are these even real ? Or complete ? I can't see them doing nothing with Kurt or Shawn after what happened on Raw. Maybe something happened during one of his many piss breaks.

Nothing with Kurt Angle or HBK ?

No, but I did change someone else's.

When putting the World Champion on PPV might get him over.

The gimmick has run its course. Dance for me, monkey-mod! Dance to that.

The gimmick has run its course.

If ever a man exemplified the phrase, "You are what you eat", then it's Mark Henry. If he still is on his guaranteed deal, and I'm not entirely sure he is, then they may as well bring him up as the World's Strongest Jobber, and at least use him to get someone else over, because he never will be.

I'm guessing they brought Walters in rather than risk one of their own guys against Masters. They seemed to make an angle out of what he did to Richards, with Ross alluding to wrestlers not being eager to get in the ring with Masters, which is a neat way to make something out of the fact he's a lug with no skill.

Given how he went up for the move, it does look like he was excepting to take a double-arm suplex, though why he would think that with Hunter going for his finisher I don't know.

And over at WCW, didn't Flair get in trouble cause he either did or they thought he did threaten to "jap-slap" someone? Yes, it was on a Nitro in 1999 I think. I believe there were complaints made to Turner about it as well.

The guy in ECW breaking his leg in 1996: If it's the same incident mentioned in the ECW Hardcore History thread, it was an ECW trainee called Kareem. The Sid interview mistake: Was from one of the earlier IYH's. The HHH botched pedigree: As mentioned by Pariah, it was Marty Gardner, and no, he was not killed.

While Jake Roberts popularised the DDT, the first known instance that I can recall of a DDT or DDT-like move being used was during one of the Dory Funk Jr v Jack Brisco matches. I can't remember which of them used it, it might have been Dory, but I believe the match in question is on tape somewhere.

And we can trace it all back to Jericho not pinning Michaels. Nice try at attempting to ignore the real issue, which is a pattern of not giving guys wins when they needed them, in favor of staying with a pat hand, which can only be bad for business in the long run.

Michaels was on the road as well - for TV & PPVs and television ratings & buyrates are a much bigger concern for the WWE. Since then, Michaels has headlined significantly more PPVs than Jericho so him winning makes perfect sense to me. Build up for a returned star that had more main events to come. Jericho has only been in 2 PPV main events since then (2 Elimination Chambers) that I can think of. Granted, you could argue that if Jericho had won that match (and others), he might have been in more main events but that's just a matter of opinion. Too subjective to call. Either way, clearly the WWE sees Jericho as a high-mid-card guy that can main event but probably won't win. They probably see Michaels differently. The storyline was set up for the fans to really want to see the veteran babyface beat the younger heel. And that's what they delivered. And I loved it. Jericho was wrestling on more house shows than the handful Michaels did, so simple business logic says the guy going over should be the one most on the road. As for Shawn having more main events, well that still means Jericho should have got the win to at least make him more credible, so it would mean more when's used, once again, to get over someone else. After all, if Jericho is seen as not getting it done too often in big matches, his overall value goes down, and he can't people over as well as management would like, because beating him means less and less. While it may be a matter of opinion that Jericho winning the match would have seen him in more main events, it isn't a matter of opinion to say that Jericho winning, when he really needed a big PPV singles win, would have given him a heck of a boost. That would have meant Jericho being elevated, and, in turn, beating Jericho in the future would mean more. When a guy whose main job it would seem is to elevate new guys and make them look good doesn't win a big match at least once in a while, he can't really elevate or 'make' someone, because he's not seen as meaning much, so beating him means very little. Yes, the storyline was set up for the veteran wrestler to beat the younger heel, but with the younger wrestling being clearly more athletic than the admittedly aged veteran, not to mention the business aspect of the guy who was going to all the house shows putting over the guy who was, and would go on to wrestle, on far fewer house shows, the only reason for Shawn to win was pure sentimentality, and you can’t make business decisions based solely on sentimentality. At some point, business sense has to dictate business decisions, and this was one instance when business should have overruled sentimentality. Let Shawn get his win on a Raw or another PPV. Give the guy going on the road full-time the much-needed boost of a Wrestlemainia singles win.

From May, the main focus of Raw was Hunter and HBK. From mid-June to SummerSlam the main focus was Hunter and Eugene. In both cases, those storylines were treated as the most important thing, and given top billing. Benoit, for all the wins he got, was either treated as a bit player in those scenarios, or given his own little deal that was presented below the 'real' stars'. Even when Benoit was put with Orton it was never presented as the most important thing on Raw. Any World Champion treated in such a manner won't draw, because he isn't the person being put in the position to draw. What don't people get about such a simple concept ?

As I said in another thread, he will, purely because it'll give him the political capital to get out of future jobs, and also to take some internal pressure off of himself. There was a reason he retained at wm 16. He wanted to be known as the first heel to ever to walk out of WM as champ. That shit means something to him. So he won't go 0-2 in Main Event Title matches at 2 striaght WM. It wont happen. I'll repeat: He will, purely because it'll give him the political capital to get out of future jobs, and also to take some internal pressure off of himself. And Hunter going 0-2 in consecutive WM main events will give him the perfect line to give to Vince when he feels like getting out of jobs. "Hey, Vince, I just did my second job in a row in 'mania main events, so I can't job now." Hunter thinks long term.

She was in the crowd for Starrcade '98, and is on camera for a few seconds.

His reign was horribly mis-booked after the first few months. They made him look like shit. Here's his week-by-week results after he won the World Championship... *lots of results* ...and your point has now been squashed. Just looking at results alone is missing the big picture. It's not just about results, but about presentation. Benoit was presented as second-tier, below Hunter and HBK. Regardless of the wins he got, the presentation of him as not at the top level, even after winning the World Title, cemented him as second-tier.

As I said in another thread, he will, purely because it'll give him the political capital to get out of future jobs, and also to take some internal pressure off of himself.

This begs a question: Everybody refers to Ron Garvin as one of the worst World Champs ever. Does his utter burial after dropping the belt only make it seem worse? He basically vanished after dropping the belt and was a secondary concern in the fairly bad Sullivan v J.Garvin feud. -=Mike Don't forget his turn on Dusty for a feud that last for all of about two matches before Ronnie jumped to the WWF.