Hunter's Torn Quad

Brock's quest for the Undisputed Title was a major factor in SummerSlam 2002 getting the buy rate it did. He drew for sure.

Brock was pushed like crazy for 2 years, as pretty much one of the top guys in the company. He's over enough with the average fan that his return will mean something. He'll also have the notoriety of 'selling out'. And I think it will attract the casual fans, because Lesnar leaving for the NFL got a ton of press, but that was mostly because they kept pushing this silly $45m figure that was supposedly walking away from.

Then why don't you tell us why he won't draw.

Hogan doesn't draw like Hogan used to. And thanks for trolling. Have a nice day.

Unless they really are hell bent on fucking Brock over just to prove a point, then he'll draw for at least the first match back. After that, it's all down to how they handle the aftermath.

The trouble is will the fact he did create Lesnar be enough to overcome Vince's need to 'show him who the boss is'. If Vince wants to make the most money he can, he'll not do something stupid to kill the momentum, just to get his rocks off. Make the money first, then get your jollies down the road.

Vince always blows the outsider angle, every time, out of ego. Vince has never, and will never, be willing to truly put a non-Vince creation over something he himself has created. He did it with Flair, he did it with the Invasion, and he'll do it again should the angle ever happen again. Whatever money can be made by the outsider angles gets thrown away, just so Vince can 'prove' that his guys are better all along. There's nothing wrong with that, if it's done after a long and lucrative feud. Vince, however, can't keep his ego in check for that long, and always has to cut the legs off of the outsider as soon as possible.

It wouldn't be the first time, and won't be the last time, that Vince has thrown away a money angle just for the sake of ego.

I file the details of this one under the "How the hell would the Torch know that?" category. Knowing Wade, he's heard that Brock's been calling Vince, but, because he hasn't heard that Vince has been talking to Brock, Wade has concluded that this has to mean Vince isn't returning Brock's calls.

Nice of the Torch to 'break' news that's a week old.

From a pure entertainment standpoint, they fucked up the Eugene thing big time. I know it had short shelf life anyway, but they could have gotten so much more out of it had they not become obsessed with trying to get the people to turn on Eugene just to prove they could. It was one of the only things I got a kick out of all year on Raw.

TNA are absolutely no possible threat to WWE, in any way, shape, or form. I'd like a threat to WWE to appear, but it isn't going to be TNA, nor will it ever be TNA.

That would be one hell of a trick if JV pulled that off.

He did the same thing at IYH II, diving on to the heel lumberjacks.

I once saw Kevin Nash hit the ropes for a move and not tear his quad.

In what universe ?

Let's see what the Oxford English Dictionary says about work rate: Energy expended ? Sounds like effort to me. As for: So you're saying fans don't appreciate hard work ?

It's great to see you had such confidence in your argument that you didn't have to resort to namecalling. Effort is workrate.

Which would be his workrate they'd be applauding then. They applauded for two reasons: a great match, and, for Benoit, a great effort. Those are two shining examples of workrate getting over.

Then I guess the crowd at the 2003 Royal Rumble gave Chris Benoit a standing ovation for his haircut. People don't applaud someone who doesn't give them their moneysworth.

Jacob

Cena's was definitely on something, at least while shooting his movie. When he came back for SurSeri, his upper arms had a lot of added mass to them that wasn't there when he left. I think Molly's ass is on the gas as well.

The only major gripe I had with this match was Daniels bleeding less than five minutes in. When a match is going 20 minutes, you don't get color so soon; it's better to save it until just past the half way mark, because then you can use a big move to get it, which in turn gets over the brutality of the match more. As it is, it came way too early, and didn't have anywhere near the meaning it could have had.

The best promo guys of the 80’s are better at cutting ‘money promo’s’ than the best promo guys of today. From 1997 onwards, promo’s stopped being all about getting people to want to pay to see matches, and they became mostly about getting a reaction from the crowd. Sure, from time to time someone would a cut a promo that was designed to get people to want to see a match, but for the most part, they were all about getting a reaction, or getting a catchphrase over so more merchandise could be shifted. Because promo’s became less and less about drawing money, the wrestlers started doing those kinds of promo’s less and less, and so became far less adept at them than the wrestlers from the 80’s, who didn’t have to worry about getting the live crowd to react, because they all did their promo’s backstage. And with the newer wrestlers, I highly doubt any of them have ever even attempted a money promo, or even know what one is. They’ve been brought up at time when promo’s were all about getting a laugh, rather than getting people emotionally sucked into a match enough that they’d want to pay to see it. Guys from the 80’s generally became so good at money promo’s for two reasons: 1: They only ever attempted to cut a money promo, not a sing-along one, and 2: They did them so often. At TV tapings, guys backstage would cut 30+ promos for the house show circuit, hyping up one particular match for the local market. Because they did money promo’s so often, even though it was usually for one match at time, they did them so often that they, with some exceptions, got better and better at them. As it stands today, while the wrestlers seem more fluid on the mic and seem more superstar-like, they just can’t cut a money promo like the wrestlers from the 80’s could. With time, and with more effort given to cutting money promo’s, they could improve, but as long as promo’s are written by hacks who just want to get the crowd to react, all the while ignoring what a promo is meant to be about, the best of the 80’s will blow away the best of 90s’s-00’s in terms of cutting a promo to draw money.

When Booker found that note that said something like, "I remember", it was meant to be Goldust behind the notes, but he got injured. Then, just like that, creative had nothing for him.