Hunter's Torn Quad

Meltzer once rated a Jericho v Viscera match as ***1/2. Assuming such a rating was totally objective, that would probably be the best carry job ever. I think Jericho is better, not only because he is far more versatile, but also because he at least tries different things in various orders when trying to get good matches out of people. With Hunter, you can pretty much call his match yourself, because he sets his spots up in the same way in the same order in every match.

This is what Wade Keller had to say about it when asked in an Ask The Torch.

Even dead, Vick has more meat on her than Keibler.

I'll always remember that just for how gaunt and thin he looked. It was sad, really.

What makes that funnier, is that at one point during Bischoff's run, in mid-93, SMW was outdrawing WCW in some places. Also, IIRC, it was also in Bischoff's run that they had to cancel a tv taping when the number of wrestlers and production crew outnumbered the fans.

Not to mention making Jeff Hardy look like an idiot for costing Styles his match with Hall. And the exact same ref distraction finish for both main events.

So they give away the first Jarrett v Monty match on free tv, and add a screwjob ending ? Yup, that's our Dusty.

Actually, it was because he was having some problems with a fan harrassing his family.

No, but when the fans regularly chant the name of the promotion, over that of one particular wrestler, it's a pretty good sign that the promotion as a whole is over with the fans. WCW never had that. At this point in time, the ECW name means more than the WCW name.

Where is it written that smarks want a ****-laden Raw ?

Because WCW is dead and buried as far as having any name value. The Invasion saw to that. ECW is a cult deal, and you still sometimes hear "ECW" chants. Even when they were alive, you never heard anyone chant "WCW".

There's a serious difference between being a bad wrestler and trying your hardest, and being a bad wrestler and just going through the motions. Cena is clearly doing the latter. Not that Rock was a bad wrestler, but I felt that the energy and enthusiasm he brought to the ring helped greatly in getting him over, and it should be the same for Cena. The trouble with that is Cena won't show any energy or enthusiasm until he starts doing his own stuff again. With Gewirtz writing his material, Cena's dying a death out there.

And I don't see WWE allowing Tommy Dreamer to be a part of this deal. This is doomed.

True. However, they musn't get boring or be seen as stale, either.

Dusty Rhodes was a great booker, until he hit his creative wall. If Dusty is aware of his limitations, and actually works around them, he could do some good things for TNA.

I think the fact that you can't put together a quality line up, from a talent perspective, shows that the gulf between the Raw and SD rosters isn't as big as it would first appear. That line up would still make for an entertaining Raw.

I don't know why they would want Bruce, when it would make no sense at all. Owen would have built in history, and would actually mean something. Bruce was just a face in the Hart family crowd.

We can't have that thar logical thinking in a WWE thread. I know it doesn't make sense. But, to be fair, not much does make sense in WWE anymore, so why not just do it.

Chris Benoit v Chris Jericho to go 25 minutes Williams Regal v Triple H to go 17 minutes Shelton Benjamin v Edge to go 15 minutes Randy Orton v Christian to go 14 minutes Ric Flair v Eugene to go 12 minutes, with Eugene in full idiot savante mode Add the requesite promos, and there's your 2hr Raw Is Wrestling

It isn't.

No, he wasn't. He was in the KotR tournament from the beginning.

Actually no it was supposed to be Bret vs HBK rematch, with Bret going over. Can't remember where I read it but the HBK/Bret rematch was supposed to be at WM 13. Shawn bailed, the double turn happened instead and from that point, Bret vs. Austin was in the books for WM 14 where Austin could finally go over. According to Meltzer, the original plan for WM 13 was for Bret to beat HBK by catching him trying the sweet chin music and "breaking his ankle" with a gimmicked boot. Of course HBK lost his smile so that never happened. Around the time of the Survivor Series screw job, they were planning out what to do with Bret if he stuck around until Wrestlemania. The plan they had was for Bret to beat HBK at Survivor Series, and then for HBK to win the title in a four way at the December PPV (Degeneration-X) that included Undertaker and Shamrock. HBK would beat Bret in a ladder match at the Royal Rumble. The next night, Bret would come out and make one last challenge to HBK, putting his career on the line, and beat him for the belt. Then Bret would drop the title to Austin at Wrestlemania. The broken ankle finish was for their KotR match. And the plan presented to Bret, under the guise of wanting him to stay, but in reality getting him to leave, was to lose Shawn at SS, lose at the December IYH as part of a Fatal Four-Way, lose to Shawn in a ladder match the Rumble, beat HBK the next night on Raw where Bret would say he'd retire if he didn't win, and then drop the strap to Austin at WM XIV. Of course, seeing four major losses in a row, with only one win, Bret naturally declined. Not in the slightest. Borga was meant to face Earthquake at WM X.

Johnson was indeed meant to challenge Undertaker at CS, but injured himself. For the millionth time.

I'm sure Feinstein is backing Fusion to the hilt. Amongst other things.

He gave The Bushwhackers v Iron Sheik and Nikolai Volkoff from the infamous Heroes Of Wrestling PPV -459.4 stars, calling it "the worst match I've ever rated in my life".