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WCW facts, tidbits, and stuff people forgot
Hunter's Torn Quad replied to JoeDirt's topic in General Wrestling
Around mid-January 1996 They didn't think he was marketable with it on. Evidently, the concept of selling masks was beyond Eric Bischoff. -
Of the WWE crew, I'd say the vast majority are either on steroids or some other supplement, legal or otherwise. Being on the road as often as they are, and with the kind of schedule they keep, it's virtually impossible for anyone but the most superbly genetically gifted people to maintain the kind of physiques we see on tv each week without some kind of chemical aid. And it's even harder to get that level physique in the first place on that schedule. The funny thing is that people have this preconceived idea about that a guy on steroids looks like, so, to them, not as many people would appear to be steroids than they actually are. And steroids, like pretty much any drug, can be used safely in taken in moderation. If you handle them properly, you can use steroids with the minimum of risk. Not to say that the risk is small, but it's also not as big as people think, at least if you use them sensibly. Some guys using now, once they get off them, if they do, will be less likely to suffer side effects than other guys, simply because they used less of them and used them better. The risk of some side effects of steroids, like an increased susceptibility to muscle tears, can be reduced by not putting on so much mass. It's just a case of being sensible.
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No, but they do have guys not ready for prime time but will be called up anyway because they look jacked.
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Those are probably correspondent ratings, as I don't think he gave star ratings for them when they were on TV.
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WCW facts, tidbits, and stuff people forgot
Hunter's Torn Quad replied to JoeDirt's topic in General Wrestling
Can you be more specific ? The only Apocolypse I remember from WCW was the finisher of The Disciple. It was a worked shoot sort of thing. Behind the scenes, Nash really was fighting to have Hall brought back, but a Turner exec always put the kibosh on it over an incident involving Hall and the exec's neice. Hall was still with WCW at the time of the BatB match, but wasn't being used. And never would be used by them again. This gets explained a few pages back. -
I wouldn't mind having the lug as Champion so much, not that I'd ever be happy with it, if he won a big match clean once in a while. Most of the problems with him as champion stem from the fact that his matches are always overbooked to the hilt, and never have a clean or decisive finish. People don't pay $34.95 for screwjobs in World Title matches.
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Meltzer only really rated what was shown on TV. He almost never went to Arena shows, so any ratings in the Observer from those shows were based on what correspondents said. The only Arena show I know for sure he saw in person was N2R 1996. Are there any matches in particular you're interested in his ratings for ?
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No, because then you'd get stuck in the mindset of only looking after a particular look. And that's their biggest problem when it comes to new talent. By only being interested in a certain 'look', ie big and jacked to the gills, when it comes to people they'll give big pushes to, WWE have great limited their options. If Vince were open minded enough to look for a mix of looks, then he'd probably be in much better shape, because he'd have more choice when it comes to who to push. As it is, he only has one real choice: big. Anything else only gets chosen out of desperation. I'm not saying that way is right... just that it would make more sense then what they're going for. How it would make more sense, when you're still limiting your choices ? Limiting your choices for new talent never makes sense.
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No, because then you'd get stuck in the mindset of only looking after a particular look. And that's their biggest problem when it comes to new talent. By only being interested in a certain 'look', ie big and jacked to the gills, when it comes to people they'll give big pushes to, WWE have great limited their options. If Vince were open minded enough to look for a mix of looks, then he'd probably be in much better shape, because he'd have more choice when it comes to who to push. As it is, he only has one real choice: big. Anything else only gets chosen out of desperation.
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Hunter's Torn Quad replied to Hunter's Torn Quad's topic in The WWE Folder
It would get a pop because Cena would be turning the tables on the heel, and using his own weapon against him. Because he's not established enough to survive a clean loss. I'm surprised, though not much, that this point is lost on people. When someone loses clean barely a month after debuting, it doesn't make them seem real strong. -
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Ten Thousand gold doubloons says this doesn't happen. I think either JBL drops the belt without doing the job, or he pins Eddie to retain. -
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Hunter's Torn Quad replied to Hunter's Torn Quad's topic in The WWE Folder
Or they could done a spot where Jesus goes to hit Cena with a pipe, the referee goes to stop him, Jesus drops the pipe, Cena uses it on CCC, which the crowd would eat up, and then he pins him. That way, not only is the match over quickly to avoid CCC doing any more damage to his shoulder, but Cena gets his revenge by taking CCC out of action, and CCC doesn't look like a chump for losing clean in less than 5 minutes. They may not have completely given up on CCC, but I still maintain that if they were totally behind him, they wouldn't have had him lose clean. -
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They didn't even properly mention the injury until this taping, and even then it was handled in a way that will make the causal fan think he was faking it, so if he does complain about it nobody will take him seriously. If they wanted to get the US belt off CCC in a quick match, they could have done a finish where Jesus's interference backfires, or CCC 'injures' himself, either of which would have done far less damage to him, and at least they could use footage of that for a storyline explanation for his injury. At least then people would be able to see CCC get injured, and his claim would be more believable. As it is, all the people saw was a chickenshit heel get killed in less than five minutes before losing clean in the middle. If WWE was really behind CCC, they wouldn't have done that. -
He's not credible to me, if only for the fact that he hasn't had major decisive win. And while he might be entertaining, comedy doesn't work in main events. Comedy is fine for midcard acts, which is what JBL would be best at, but for a supposed top guy, it's death.
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Agreed. Maven got buried six-feet under, and he's dead now. Nothing kills off a babyface like not being able to get the win even when he has two top guys actively helping him out over and over again. Watch for the next three Raw's to be the same as this one.
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WCW facts, tidbits, and stuff people forgot
Hunter's Torn Quad replied to JoeDirt's topic in General Wrestling
There was talk of TNT showing PPV's, but I don't know how serious it ever was. Owen was in for the proverbial cup of coffee in mid to late 1990. The Juicer was in late 1990. He was going to get a good push as an undercard face, but the reporter who ran him out of Oregon kicked up a fuss over a 'rapist' being employed by WCW, and he was hurriedly dropped. On Thunder, Goldberg was taking out the members of the nWo one at a time, and it wound up with him smashing the windows of a limousine in that one of them was in. He had a small metal pipe hidden in his sleeve,which he was using to break the windows, so as to smash them easily. However, the pipe fell out, and because he was still steamed with Hall going against the script earlier in the night, he continued smashing the windows, and wound up slashing an artery in his forearm, and losing a ton of blood. Bischoff giving Raw's results away never made any real mark on the ratings, apart from the Foley title win. D-X at one point almost actually did make it into an arena where WCW was holding Nitro, but that wasn't intentional, and nobody ever considered letting them in. If they had entered, I think it would have been very interesting to see what happened. -
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Assuming it was a clean job, and the report doesn't really indicate either way, then it means they've given up on him, regardless of his injury. If they wanted to protect CCC while having Cena beat him for the title, there are many ways they could that if they really wanted to. -
Ten thousand gold doubloons say Savage bails on TNA again, probably right before the next PPV.
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They don't look over stuff all the time. Sometimes stuff gets up on their that gets pulled the moment someone high up the food chain sees it, because it's seen as knocking WWE in a way that isn't acceptable. Case in point would be Shawn Michaels comments over his match with Ric Flair at Bad Blood last year. WWE.com posted an interview with Michaels where he complained about them only getting 15 minutes for their match. Within a few hours it was pulled.
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And how many of those people who did it in the past would actively encourage yardtarding ? You can delude yourself all you want, but at the end of the day you're still an idiot for 'wrestling' without proper training.
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Ignore the pleb. He adds nothing to the threads he's posted in lately. Um, actually Austin is an insanely jealous individual. And Jarett, Debra and Owen were all quite close, in a platonic way of course, IIRC. Austin's beef with Debra being involved had nothing to do with jealousy. As he was together with Debra at the time, being in a program with Jarrett would have meant they couldn't be together most of the time, because they'd be against each other on television, and Austin didn't want to an angle that would interfere with his personal life.
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WCW facts, tidbits, and stuff people forgot
Hunter's Torn Quad replied to JoeDirt's topic in General Wrestling
That was a deliberate trip. It led to Green becoming Woman, and bringing in Doom. -
WCW facts, tidbits, and stuff people forgot
Hunter's Torn Quad replied to JoeDirt's topic in General Wrestling
They were one of the few teams who got a clean win over the Steiner Brothers(Nitro in october 97) and had a great move which involved meng backdropping a guy into a Barbarian powerbomb. Edit: apart from Faces of Fear, Doom and Doc and Gordy can anyone else recall a clean Steiners loss in NWA/WCW? Actually, it was on the 9/22/97 Nitro. Meng pinned Rick clean with the Tongan Death Grip. As for Doom, if you mean when Doom won the tag titles, it wasn't a clean loss. Apart from the aforementioned losses to FoF and Doc and Gordy, I don't think they did another totally clean job at all in WCW. -
Yardtards can kill themselves while playing their jumped up game of Let's Pretend for all I care, as long as it doesn't get any attention.
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Sort of. They held a Clash at the indoor portion of Ceasar's Palace, but not the outside part where WM IX was held.