Carnival

Ripper gave us the Dr. Phil treatment. The Peacemaker.

I agree with you on this so much I want to make out with you! I've been swearing by that for a couple years now. Don West is poop. I used to like him cuz he was so bad he was funny. But now he is just annoying. but man he can SELL SELL SELL.

OK Rip, I'll agree with that. I've just always seen the Dudleys as bigger stars than the Hardy's. I don't know why really. I think they were just way more over than any other tag team since the outlaws.

I'm far too lazy to quote here. I never thought you were a hardy mark. Although you may give the hardy marks at the TNA shows too much credit. They are a very small portion of the audience and a very hated portion like ripper mentioned. I guess we will just have to agree to disagree, but I really do think Jarrett is a bigger name than Hardy and thats it. Ringwork aside, potential aside...like i mentioned if you poll america Jarrett or Hardy..more people have heard of Jeff Jarrett. But thats opinion too, I just think it wouldn't even be close. I think a better case can be made for the Dudley Boyz being bigger stars than Jarrett.

we have a winner.

Rip I couldn't really read your post, since I'm at work and i'm scared someone is gonna see your avatar and get all bent outta shape. But what I mean by "star" is a big name. Not what he's doing in wrestling now. I mean the most well known name. By those standards Sting bypasses Hardy by miles. Like if you were to poll everyone in america..more people have heard of Sting than Hardy. Same for Jarrett.

You don't even have a point then, I thought your point was that Hardy was more of a name than Jarrett. That clearly isn't true, then I thought your point was Hardy has more potential to be a "super"star than Jarrett, which I agreed with. So what exactly are you even talking about? Tweener. not heel. Then the crowd is full of fucking morons. If you think Hardy is a bigger star than Sting then....oh god, you deserved to be in that crowd. It doesn't cancel out anything you SAW it cancels out what you said, that is if you think Hardy is a bigger name than Sting. So you agree with me???..... I know your not talking about me. I never said anything like that. Plus I never fucking said putting the title on Jarrett is a good idea. I think it's a horrible idea. I've said that multiple times now. People need to start reading posts instead of just assuming things.

I think the Duds could be that recognizable star(s) they need for the first show.

Thats true, plus I mis-read "million" instead of billions. Ya I'd do it.

Could Hardy be a bigger star than Jarrett...no doubt, he has the potential. But he isn't yet. Hmmm...Main Eventing in front of millions or playing a bit part as a bump taker in front millions. Jarrett was a mid-carder too during the 5's and 6's. Although RAW's audience was double WCW's at the time of Jarrett's world title reigns. Hardy was merely a mid-card tag team wrestler, where Jarrett was the top guy in WCW. Not to mention his 6 IC title reigns and his Us title reigns. Jarrett has been a mid-card star in WWF and WCW for YEARS before main eventing. Hardy has just been a mid-card star for years...thats it. And here is the reason. Jeff Hardy was their new babyface. Jeff Jarrett is a heel. Promotions usually release more merchandise for babyfaces than heels, cuz heels are suppossed to be hated so why would people buy their merch? Get it? WOW, who could of thought that a debuting wreslter could create a buzz!?!?! It must just be Hardy...they wouldn't have reacted that way for anyone else coming from the WWE. JUST HARDY! That should cancel out everything you say right there. Look Hardy may have more "mainstream appeal" and he may get cheered more(babyface) than Jarrett (heel). But it's so obvious that Jarrett is more well known than Jeff Hardy.

Does everyone in the country know that you did it? Or is it top secret? that's the deal-breaker.

I wasn't considering Nash a full time TNA guy, but since he's gonna come back, then Yes he is a way bigger star than Jarrett. But Jeff hardy...PLEASE. We was a midcard star during WWF biggest run...so was Jarrett, infact he was IC champion during the boom. He was also Tag champ, Jeff Hardy was both of those too, so they can be equal in that respect. Although Jarrett was mostly a singles star, and Hardy was mostly a tag team star. Jarrett then went to a dying WCW and won the world title 4 times. Hardy did nothing but midcard. Yes WCW was dying but it was still being watched by millions. Raven is the same way. A dying WCW blows a booming ECW out of the water in terms of viewership. Raven and Hardy have their fans, and they are very recognizable names, but Jarrett is still a much bigger name than both of them. Just for the record...the name reason alone isn't a good enough one to justify him always being champion.

Just waiting for the "Jeff Jarrett has a buddy that's a spike tv executive" rumor.

I love it. sounds like eddie winslow.

Yes, but a lot of people don't want to accept it. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> And what proof is this? I think he CAN draw...but did he? I have no clue, thats why I'm asking.

He probably just has his buddies Mantell and Borash on the committee if they are even on the committee, I don't know. So i'm sure he has more say than any other wrestler, but still limited power. He doesn't have the final say anymore, and hasn't for awhile. Apparently Spike is making the decisions now.

Well, like it or not he is TNA's biggest star. So it makes sense to debut with your biggest star on top. It just sucks cuz it doesn't make sense to change the title with the current storylines, but when they debut on spike the past doesn't mean anything. I guess they are gonna start fresh. again.

Well........ As a Jarrett mark, I love it. But then my damn brain kicks in...and I realize it's very fuckin stupid. This proves TNA has no direction. They haven't had direction since scrapping the Monty Brown angle. This all started when the booking team had AJ defeat Jeff Jarrett for no reason other than spite. If they just would have waited one month he could have dropped it to Monty and the original plan would have unfolded. Now it seems they may be building up to the Monty match again. So the next couple months will look like a early 2005 rehash of storylines, NICE. Maybe they won't fuck it up this time....but i doubt it.

I'd rather have them start a Midgets Division.

Michael Jordan vs Orlando Jordan

I'm sure it will suck. I hope I'm wrong.

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Plus who would fight the horsemen on RAW? The way creative is booking they would have John Cena fight them all off.

thanks, I'll have to give it a listen. I have all these cd's on my comp and never touch em. Like I got 2 gbs of Wu-Tang and Wu-Tang solos and side projects I've never listened to, and probably never will.

2Gold. who did the OG war drums song? i'd like to hear it.