Skywarp!

No dude. The only mindfuck here is what's going on in your sig. I'm going to have nightmares. What is that?

But I thought a big part of the supposed conspiracy theory is that most of those hijackers were Saudi and the whole attack, while masterminded by Al-Queda and Bin Laden, was Saudi-backed.

Some friends like and some hate: 311, Weezer, Presidents of the United States of America, The Hives, 2 Skinnee J's, System of a Down, Foo Fighters, Red Hot Chili Peppers, The Strokes, there's a lot more but I'd really need to be in front of my collection to be exhaustive about it. But out of those I'd say none of these beat each other out to be the most loved, but the most hated are by far Foo Fighters.

Yeah, those dark green Seahawk jerseys are the worst in the NFL right now. It looks like they're doing an Eagles impression. The Redskins' P.C. uniforms are horrible looking too. Somehow, they look like an NCAA team when they wear 'em. And also, how about a topic where we discuss teams who had great uniforms and color schemes and then got ugly new uniforms? The Golden State Warriors are near the top for that one when they changed a while back.

AFC East New England has clinched the division title and a first-round bye. New England can clinch homefield advantage throughout playoffs with: 1. A win or tie OR 2. A Chiefs loss or tie AFC North Baltimore can clinch division title with: 1. A win or tie OR 2. A Bengals loss or tie Baltimore is eliminated from playoff contention with a loss and a Cincinnati win Cincinnati can clinch division title with: 1 A win and Ravens loss Cincinnati is eliminated from playoff contention with a loss or tie OR a Baltimore win or tie AFC South Indianapolis has clinched playoff berth. Indianapolis can clinch division title with: 1. A win OR 2. Titans loss OR 3. Colts tie and Titans tie Tennessee has clinched a playoff berth. Tennessee can clinch division title with: 1. Titans win or tie and Colts loss AFC West Kansas City has clinched the division title and a first-round bye. Kansas City can clinch homefield advantage throughout the playoffs with: 1. A win and Patriots loss Denver has clinched playoff berth and will play first-round game. NFC East Philadelphia has clinched a playoff berth. Philadelphia can clinch division title and first-round bye with: 1. A win or tie OR 2. A Cowboys loss or tie Philadelphia can clinch homefield advantage throughout playoffs with: 1. A win and Rams loss Dallas has clinched playoff berth. Dallas can clinch division title and first-round bye with: 1) A win and Eagles loss NFC North Minnesota can clinch division title with: 1. A win OR 2. Packers loss OR 3. A tie and Packers tie Minnesota can clinch playoff berth with: 1. Seahawks loss OR 2. Vikings tie and Seahawks tie Green Bay can clinch division title with: 1. A win and Vikings loss or tie OR 2. Packers tie and Vikings loss Green Bay can clinch playoff berth with: 1. Seahawks loss OR 2. Packers win and Cowboys win or tie OR 3. Packers win and Dallas has better strength of victory than Seahawks OR 4. Packers win or tie and Seahawks tie NFC South Carolina has clinched the division title. NFC West St. Louis has clinched the division title and a first-round bye. St. Louis can clinch homefield advantage throughout the playoffs with: 1. A win or tie OR 2. Eagles loss or tie Seattle can clinch playoff berth with: 1. A win and Vikings loss or tie OR 2. A win and Packers loss or tie OR 3. A win and Cowboys loss and Seattle has better strength of victory than Dallas OR 4. A tie and Vikings loss OR 5. A tie and Packers loss Arizona, Atlanta, Buffalo, Chicago, Cleveland, Detroit, Houston, Jacksonville, Miami, New Orleans, N.Y. Giants, N.Y. Jets, Oakland, Pittsburgh, San Diego, San Francisco, Tampa Bay and Washington have been eliminated from playoff contention.

What a crappy present!

If Moore indeed made it up, then it's not just an eerie coincidence the guy's last name sounds like "pris-ner" after all.

The Atari E.T. and Puck-Man myths are true. Here's one of my favorite myths. "This one time, King Hippo got up."

Has anyone else heard this? You would know if you did, because it's so annoyingly catchy after hearing it once, the chorus will get stuck in your head and will never leave for the rest of time. Seriously. Until the sun turns into a red giant and destroys all human life. I'm surpised, however, that a song got so popular on the premise that Kelis is hotter than any woman currently hearing it, and telling each and every one of them that directly.

Don't underestimate how far people can dig for excuses. If the official Administration Motive was "This planet has put up with Saddam for too long," the anti-everything squad would have replyed, "oh, that's great. Why now and not 12 years ago? Becuase it's about OIL!" Although I think you're right...the world needed a better reason than "let's take 'em out." Unfortunately, I can't believe he DID have WMDs myself until they find 'em. (And even then, the anti-everything people will claim they were planted.)

Wasn't the supposed "last straw" upon entering the war that a U.S. vessel in the waters over Vietnam was shot at? And is it true or not that years later it turned out to be a false report just to "justify" going in there?

Put it into quotations next time. Yes, yes I am quick to attack. As cliche as it is right now actively rooting against your country in a war no matter how many buts you put in front of it is disgusting to me and "Un-American". And don't bring the "OMG UN-American means someone disagreeing with the President" b/c you can do that all you want but when deep down you root for your fellow countrymen to die just so your selfish desires will be meant makes you the worst kind of scum. It was in quotations. Not this B.B.s big box quotes, but the text marks were there nonetheless. But whatever. It happened back there.

I know. Send that back to whoever wrote it. I saw the quotations. Sorry if you thought that was me bitching at you. Oops! Sorry!

Can none of you read? It wasn't my post. I'm bouncing ideas from different boards off each other. Some of you are so quick to attack, you don't realize who you're biting into during the feeding frenzy.

And you totally disgust me with your ingnorance. For you to get what you want a lot of people have to die. Several thousand more in fact. So you sir can promptly go fuck yourself and anyone else that thinks like that. Just to clarify, the person that wrote that isn't here...i don't think...Right... KANE... Nope. None of that is mine.

This is what someone in another thread said about the same post. Thoughts? "This article really disappoints me, because Orson Scott Card wrote some of my favorite books ever. But it's idiocy. The idea that during war, blame for deaths automatically goes to the "enemy" is just ridiculous. Do we place no responsibility for Vietnam on the Presidents who made it happen? No. We hold them accountable, because the war was unjust. If the cause is just - which it is up to EVERY American to decide for themselves - then we can believe in it and accept combatant deaths as a neccessary but unfortunate reality. But when the war is unjust, when the President has hijacked the nation's resources to win power and contracts for his rich buddies, we say "fuck you, this war is fucked." And we blame the people who lied to us to get us there for LYING TO US TO GET US THERE. We have been shafted, and this article makes it sound like we're just supposed to stand by and support the person who FUCKED us. And by US, i mean YOU. Because I didn't fall for it. I don't hope that our troops die. I don't hope that we can't rebuild Iraq. I don't hope that Iraq will drive the United States out. but I DO hope that the war will fail - because its goal is none of those things above. Its goals are political and domestic and underhandedly capitalistic, and if Bush succeeds in achieving those goals with a war that goes against everything America thinks it stands for, we'll just be proven a nation of suckers and sheep once again. The fucked up thing is, the reason why no one really cares that we're being lied to is because we all have it too goddamn easy to want to complain. We just as a nation have no sense of responsibility to any other human beings. We're selfish and arrogant and something has got to give. If this is how we're gonna be, I don't want us to be in charge of the world either."

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Eagles (8-2) would be the No. 1 seed in the NFC based on better conference record than Rams (8-3). Patriots (9-1) would be No. 1 seed in AFC based on better conference record than the Chiefs (10-2). Bengals (3-2) would win the AFC North based on better division record than the Ravens (2-2). Packers (6-2) would win NFC North based on better record in common games (vs. Lions, Bears, Seahawks, Rams, 49ers, Chargers) than the Vikings (5-3). However, if the Packers and Vikings both win out, their record in common games will be tied (They'd both be 8-4. The Vikings still play Kansas City and Arizona, both of which the Packers lost to, while the Packers still play the Raiders and Broncos, who the Vikings split with. That would add one loss and one win to the Vikings common games and two to the Packers, leaving them both at 8-4). The next tie-breaker would be conference record and the Vikings would be better. Vikings would be wild-card over Seahawks based on head-to-head win. Wild-card matchups AFC Denver Broncos at Indianapolis Colts Tennessee Titans at Cincinnati Bengals First-round byes: New England Patriots, Kansas City Chiefs. NFC Minnesota Vikings at Carolina Panthers Dallas Cowboys at Green Bay Packers First-round byes: Philadelphia Eagles, St. Louis Rams

Basically just because of the controllers, most fighting games, with the notable exception of MK1, tended to be better on SNES. It was hard playing a game meant for 6 buttons on a 3 button controller (this argument is based on the controller you're supplied with, not the 6-button joypad that game out later). Even Eternal Champions, a game designed for Sega only, wasn't made to be 3-button friendly.

"1. Bush won the election. He won it fair and square by the rules of the Electoral College system." But the whole dems. argument of the "Bush didn't win fair and square" wasn't that the rules of the Electoral College said he won as opposed to the Popular Vote, it was that they belive Jeb Bush staged a fix in Florida.

There are good conservative posters here. We have a healthy mix of both liberals and conservatives (as DrTom said). True. Plus, I tend to play Devil's Advocate no matter where I am. I take the conservative side on a liberal dominated board, and vice-versa. Maybe I enjoy the exchange of ideas, or maybe the Irish in me just likes to stir the pot?

Amen.

It's no use, guys. Anything or anyone politically moderate on this board is ferociously attacked by the far-right as they would be on a far-left board. For people like me, you just can't win.

You can honestly look at the 2 leading candidates we had in the last election and call that a good choice? That was like choosing which rusty instrument you want inserted into your bunghole.

Ripper. Thank you. I never knew cheeks could be so shiny.