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I've never regretted not getting Hogan/Flair at WM 8. It's hard to argue this when Macho/Flair was a BETTER match. I dunno if RVD/Awesome could have been that big of a draw but here's what really could have been in ECW: RVD vs. Taz. Yes, I know they did meet at N2R 99, but imagine that match if Taz still had the world title and hadn't already signed with the WWF. The obvious stuff here is Austin/Goldberg. I can't believe they never did this while GB was there. As far as Lesnar vs. HHH goes....bleh. I could have cared less.
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Pro wrestling and UFC are two completely different things. In fact they are about as different in ideology as possible. MMA is about legit beating someone's ass and winning a fight. Pro wrestling is about pulling your punches and kicks and doing moves that look painful but aren't. I doubt anyone in WWE or TNA that has been wrestling for a long while could be viable in UFC. Why bother?
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OAO ECW on Sci-Fi Thread for 7/11 (Week 5)
cabbageboy replied to QuestionMan's topic in The WWE Folder
I'm trying to think of that Sid match but I believe it was actually Justin Credible who got DQed going against Sid. It was more of a run in with no finish. The whole "non extreme rules" thing should have been an unspoken truth, not something mentioned on the air. As in Dreamer and Test could be a normal match, but guys like Sabu go insane and do whatever they want. I think TNA has it right in that regard. -
OAO ECW on Sci-Fi Thread for 7/11 (Week 5)
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This might sound silly but are there any plans to do a tag division on ECW? I wish they had a 2nd hour to feature more guys on the roster and maybe do some tag stuff. -
OAO ECW on Sci-Fi Thread for 7/11 (Week 5)
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I recall mentioning last week that the 1.4 was obviously a low holiday number, an outlier. The real numbers have been 2.8, 2.2, and 2.4, which is settling into a decent enough range. Anyone find it amusing though that the one show where anything of real note happened (the RVD/Show title change) is the show that no one watched? -
OAO ECW on Sci-Fi Thread for 7/11 (Week 5)
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The Styles stuff is silly. I mean I can't remotely see Vince canning Joey right now. If they got rid of Styles from the ECW show then people would be really, really pissed. -
If this new Rocky movie makes any kind of money I'd be quite surprised. For one thing, it's a dead series and has been since 1990. Second, Stallone can't draw a single dime anymore. I don't think it's a very high budget film so if it makes a decent amount then it'll turn a profit, but I'm not expecting it to be some kind of mega blockbuster.
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The thing is though, The Quebecers signalled the end of the WWF having a quality tag division. I point to the Steiners losing the belts to them in the Quebec Rules match as the start of a downturn in WWF tag wrestling that lasted pretty much until the New Age Outlaws revived interest in the division (although I did like the Owen/Bulldog title run, but the division itself was still crap). Speaking of the Can Ams I was watching an old Prime Time from 1987 on the 24/7 and they had a really cheesy bit with them comparing Canada and the US. Hearing Rick Martel discuss the merits of Montreal reminded me of Sylvan.
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OAO ECW on Sci-Fi Thread for 7/11 (Week 5)
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It is tough to build Show as an impossible to beat monster when RVD basically had him owned last week before Heyman refused to count. Anyway if he is dominant for a period they can pay this off big time. This is where ECW is hurt somewhat by not having a PPV till December, since I don't think anyone wants Show on top that long. I enjoyed this show tonight aside from the Sabu DQ. What the fuck? I think what pissed me off the most was that it was against Justin Credible. Once Justin came out I was like "Yes! Sabu finally gets to murder Justin and get that job back from Anarchy Rulz 99!" And then a DQ. He better fucking squash him if that's the SNME match. You know what's hilarious? Little stuff Sabu does that is insane. Like coming out and throwing a chair at the ring. No reason really. Just because he's SABU. I do agree that Heyman's promo was not enough to the point. They didn't necessarily have to mention the pot arrest stuff, but how about Heyman saying "I kept telling Rob he didn't have to defend on Raw so much but did he listen? No! He went against my orders, he embarrassed me, he embarrassed ECW, so the hell with him. I used Rob to get ECW back and to get a title on the show. After that, who needs him?" Instead we get this goofy "Blame the fans" heel promo which never ends up working. It was way too similar to stuff like Austin's heel turn in April 2001 or Vince last year saying the fans were fired. -
Truth be told, Ken Kennedy hasn't seemed quite right since he got back from injury. Not only has he seemed off in the ring but his physique is flat out gone. You can really tell he's now adhering to the Wellness Program. Ahem.
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WCW stuff from 2000 is seriously underrated. Well, maybe not the crappy Kevin Sullivan booked shows from Jan.-March but the Bischoff and Russo regime shows were quite enjoyable on a car wreck level. I swear SD right now might well be the best wrestling show by default. Raw is what it has become, ECW has been mismanaged from the start, and TNA is once again Jarrett jerking off to the world and wanting us to watch.
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Humongous, but most of those guys don't know how to work WWE style! How could it possibly draw? I'm not as up in arms over this Flair/Show match as most of you guys. It's simple: Flair comes in, he jobs tonight, it's over. I mean hell, what are they supposed to do? I wouldn't just job Sabu out to the Show this early and Van Dam is on suspension. If this is a one time match I have no problem with it, but I don't want an extended feud. As far as these Raws lately being the worst ever, nowhere close. I'd actually take Raw right now over the hideously directionless shows of last summer after Vengeance. The only interesting stuff on Raw last summer was the Hogan/Michaels feud. Once Batista left and HHH was on hiatus all we had was the Diva crap and Jericho being a blatant lame duck challenger to Cena.
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Yeah, Viscera and Haas is the new version of Test/Steiner, except these guys are more heatless (I didn't even know that was possible). I don't think Kane has a program at the moment now that the fake Kane angle has been dropped. Why not send him over to SD or even ECW for a while?
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Well, with the announcement of Sabu being on SNME likely squashing someone in "extreme action" I think they may well be positioning him as the main guy for the time being until this RVD thing blows over. Is Big Show even on the SNME show?
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You know, for all the talk of SD having a crap roster just take a look at Raw. I mean Viscera and Haas? Eugene in the main event? Jim Duggan even being on TV in 2006? Oddly enough there was some decent stuff on this show tonight, which is why I don't consider it all time level bad (main event aside). The Edge/Cena stuff was good, I also liked the Flair/Foley segment though I have no idea why Flair would agree to get killed by the Big Show on ECW. I guess they have to do something on that show with Van Dam suspended though. I guess Umaga got bumped for the Diva Search. I think I'd have rather seen him actually....at this point the Diva Search is like TV death, I immediately turned to the Home Run Derby.
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Here's what I don't get: What is the plan now for the ECW title? I mean surely they aren't going to leave it on the Big Show until that Dec. PPV, though that actually makes the most sense for a title chase when RVD gets back. Since there are so few PPVs for ECW they kinda have to hotshot stuff on TV.
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I'm assuming Dynamite Kid, since he was considered the more talented Bulldog. I actually don't know if this was the case. With Vince's penchant for big men who is to say he wouldn't have pushed Davey Boy over Dynamite anyway once Davey got roided up?
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To clarify I have no problem with Hogan doing what he did at all. I think it made the match and moment all the more special and if anything it would have seemed strange for Hogan to have simply walked away after his first clean pinfall loss in forever.
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WM 12 is one of the weaker Iron Man matches I've seen. I'd put it below HHH/Rock (which I saw in person), Steamboat/Rude, even Lesnar/Angle from SD. Those matches actually had (gasp) pinfalls and action. One note that I heard about the WM 12 match was Shawn telling Bret "Get the fuck out of the ring, this is my moment" when Bret was going to present him with the belt or whatever he had in mind. On first glance it's easy to say Shawn was being a dick, but given the Hogan/Warrior match and the way Hogan cleverly made the post match less about Warrior winning than about him losing, I can't say I blame Shawn if he said that.
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Would it be that hard? Bret and HBK didn't like each other or want to make the other look good. I personally think the Iron Man match from WM 12 sucks ass. Montreal is a curio due to the finish but it's not much as an actual match. Davey Boy was never a guy I'd build a US promotion around though. The thick English accent always hurt his interviews. He was one of the biggest worldwide draws the WWF had however, especially Europe. Hell, if you believe Meltzer and his assertion that WM 3 only had 78,000 then Davey Boy drew the biggest crowd in WWF/E history for SS 92 (which had 80,000).
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Well let's face it, it is time to end the Rey title experiment. Booker will likely end up being Mr. Transition to Batista anyway. I mean take a look at that Booker/Rey matchup: --One guy has jobbed every week to the US champ, then suddenly gets a title shot via winning a battle royale that had nobody in it. --The champion has been largely a joke, having lost clean in non title matches to Mark Henry, Great Khali, Van Dam (ok that one wasn't a pathetic loss), and via countout to Angle. The Henry/Batista match should be an absolute maiming. Henry should get no more than token offense. It should be in the vein of the Batista/JBL match from SS last year.
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His WCW 1993 run is underrated mainly because he never really won a major belt. He actually had some very solid power matches with Vader for the title. This question is a bit unfair because I think Davey Boy was caught in a Catch 22. Being the power man of the Bulldogs he was pushed solo as a power wrestler, thus he got seriously juiced. Davey Boy was a unique hybrid capable of working power matches with the big stiffs (not necessarily good but who was having classics with the Warlord?) and also having classic matches with the technically sound guys on the roster. He was also my favorite wrestler from roughly 1992-97. Once he was in WCW (circa 1998) he seemed a shell of himself though and it saddened me.
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I saw Pirates and liked it pretty well but I can't see it doing such massive repeat business that it'd get to 1.8 billion worldwide like Titanic. Let's face it, ROTK had insane hype, Oscar frenzy, and was the finale to a trilogy and it still did about 1.1 billion worldwide. I doubt any of the Pirates movies will get past 1 billion. They'll probably hover somewhere in that 800-900 million. I think Jerry Bruckheimer will sleep well at night with that kind of cash.
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I tend to think stuff like Spider-Man 3, Shrek 3, and POTC 3 won't break this record. By the time a series usually gets to a 3rd movie the box office slides, aside from the LOTR and Star Wars trilogies. Those both had a certain finality though, whereas stuff like Spidey and Shrek is just "let's make another." Pirates has the best shot since it had a cliffhanger ending that will get people to come back for the 3rd.
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I think it's an estimate for now. As far as being a pussy due to Davy Jones and his crew, let me clarify. I wasn't scared of them or anything like that, it was more like it just made me feel queasy after watching them for over 2 hours.