cabbageboy

Yeah Christian was far more successful in terms of getting title shots and winning matches. Jericho had an amusing first night in the WWF, but didn't do shit for months and was jobbing to Chyna and stuff, struggling with the Road Dog and X-Pac, etc. There's another aspect to this Machismo/So Cal Val angle losing viewers that hasn't been mentioned, namely the interracial marriage aspect. Didn't someone post a while ago on here that TNA's biggest demographic is men in their 40s and 50s? TNA from the beginning was a promotion appealing to rednecks, hell they still feature a NASCAR driver on the show, so I can see a bunch of NASCAR dads being pissed about this angle.

The Legends show was a bit disappointing. Why do these shows always blather about the Gooker as though he was some life altering bad gimmick? Look, it was a stupid seasonal idea around Thanksgiving, he showed and danced with Gene, that was about it. It was stupid but harmless. The aspect that blew my mind was that some guys like Hayes and Foley tried to DEFEND The Shockmaster as a good gimmick on paper that didn't pan out due to Ottman screwing up and falling. Yeah, a fat Typhoon in a Stormtrooper helmet would draw so much money. I like what Lance Storm said about it on a Wrestlecrap interview: "People miss the point of The Shockmaster. Let's say he doesn't fall on his ass and does the interview as planned.....it still would have sucked!"

The Brawl For All may well have been the worst thing the WWF ever did, thus showing not everything they did in 1998 worked. Not only did it suck and offer nothing of quality in it, a bunch of guys got hurt in it, it derailed planned pushes for some guys (Dr. Death), and the eventual winner of it (Bart Gunn) got destroyed by Butterbean at WM XV.

In all honesty this angle does need the wedding, unlike stuff like Edge/Lita where them getting married actually went against the established white trash shacked up element of the storyline. Why on earth would SD need a women's title? Instead of adding new belts they need to combine the ones they have now. I can see the idea of separate US and IC belts, but two tag titles and two women's titles? I suppose Batista getting a shot makes sense given the way he destroyed HBK at ONS, but this shit with him vs. Edge is ULTRA stale. I mean so stale it's not even laughable. Why not use Matt Hardy as a filler feud? The match would be better and it would probably have more heat. But let's face it, this PPV is a nothing, filler show around the time of the draft, where I'm assuming big changes will be made.

It's pretty funny hearing ESPN wax poetic about the 1987 Finals. The Lakers may have been 65-17 that year but check out this epic playoff run they had: 1st round: Beat Denver (#8 seed, 37-45) 2nd round: Beat Golden State (#5 seed, 42-40) Western Finals: Beat Seattle (#7 seed, 39-43) I mean really what kind of horrible competition is THAT crap? To compare with the Celtics that year, here's Boston (59-23): 1st round: Beat Chicago (#8 seed, 40-42...at least they had Jordan) 2nd round: Beat Milwaukee (#4 seed, 50-32) Eastern Finals: Beat Detroit (#3 seed, 52-30) Is it any wonder the Lakers won that Finals? The Celtics went through the grinder against some actual opponents, whereas the Lakers got to squash a bunch of jobbers.

If you've been watching any WWE programs lately, you know how it ended: Punk jobbed. I will say this about Sydal/Shelton....if Sydal is brought in to be a jobber or enhancement guy then WWE is truly insane. Down in OVW he was here the same time as Cody Rhodes and the dude has 10x the talent and the same exact look (they could be brothers). But gee, guess who has the famous dad?

JD 2003 gets a pass from me for having a decent enough main event and also one major aspect as well. That would be the rise of Eddie to major star status, thanks to his makeshift teaming with Tajiri in that ladder match. Eddie literally carried 3 men in that match and it really launched him.

Question: Is Havoc 95 really all that bad outside of the goofy Hogan/Giant nonsense? Didn't it have Pillman in a good match or something, along with the Horsemen turning on Sting and beating his ass?

This would be better if it was an actual group of us hanging out and watching this crappy PPV. The interaction would be funny and make it palatable. Get some pizza and some sort of alcohol as well, because we'd all need to be fucked up to watch a PPV like GAB 99.

Eh, why not push Jeff anyway? Look, if he fails a drug test they can job the world title off him and fire him anyway. I don't know if I'd give him a long term title reign, but he could be fine to just freshen things up for a while in the main event scene.

I took a look and they didn't have any results for Oct. 6, 1994 in Louisville. Ah well, it was the same show as most of the same house shows of that time period with UT vs. Yoko in the casket match. I was shocked that the USWA was drawing roughly the same type of crowds in 1993 as the WWF, but I don't think they were charging all that much money.

This is what happens when there is literally nothing else you can do with a main event scene. All the heels are either hurt or jobbed out (Orton, JBL, Umaga) and they need a lame duck match until the draft show. But HHH vs. Cena? Is this how little they think of Cena right now, that he's just a lame duck placeholder challenger until they do the draft on the 29th? Cause I can't really see a title change on such a whatever PPV, particularly with HHH likely wanting a job back from all the times he's put Cena over.

Keep me updated on this. I actually just watched most of this show a week or so ago and oddly enough it's not quite as terrible as BATB 99. My brother found a bunch of these horrible WCW tapes in the basement and has been watching this dreck.

Hmm....odd. What is the web address for the site with all those results? I'd like to check that out. To be honest that March 1993 card wasn't very memorable (as you can tell by those results). The Nov. 1994 house show I went to was way more notable, since the main was Yoko vs. UT in a casket match, with an IC title match of Owen/Razor (with a Dusty Finish), Luger and Tatanka going to a double countout, IRS over The Kid, and the Heavenly Bodies over the Smoking Gunns. There was also a contest in the ring during intermission over who could do the best Paul Bearer impersonation, and during this I walked past either Earl or Dave Hebner on the way to the bathroom. As a side note I will say that the Gardens was sold out for all of these shows, but was NOT sold out for a July 1995 Raw taping. That show was the night after a PPV too.

Who is another #4 seed that was way underseeded? Maybe the Dallas Mavericks in 2006 before they realigned playoff seedings? They had the 2nd best record in the Western Conf. but the Suns and Nuggets both won divisions and thus were the 2 and 3 seeds. It was Watts who booked this tourney to have those seeds, so don't blame me for comparing it to a real tourney since WCW was trying to be a "real sport" circa 1992.

Eh? You mean on that March 1993 house show at Louisville Gardens? I am pretty sure it was Gonzalez vs. Tatanka because I seem to remember wondering if Gonzalez could end Tatanka's streak. Where can I find the match results for that card?

Alex Wright beat HHH (Jean Paul Levesque) at Starrcade 1994.

Again, does anyone seriously think HHH is going to take the blame for bad ratings? It very well might just be that this HHH/Orton feud is just toxic to wrestling fans at this point. The heat is gone with this feud, so before we can pronounce HHH's title run a bust I'd like to see him feud with someone else. If ratings keep sliding, then it is HHH's fault and it's time to get the belt off him. But to put it on who exactly? Cena again?

Yeah, anyone find it bizarre that the Japanese team was the #2 seed while Doc/Gordy were a #4 seed? Man, they got that U of L in 2005 type 4 seed, since they beat the 1 seed Steiners cleanly. Gotta love Watts though, he books a tag tourney and has his more popular team lose in the first couple of rounds on TBS and then does a PPV without them on it.

You're probably right to some degree but it's easier to job out Orton and get him off TV than it is to do the same with HHH. Has HHH ever really had a decent face run with the title? I don't especially want to see HHH vs. UT. I still have nightmares about KOTR 2002 (and not just because my boy Van Dam jobbed to Lesnar).

What happened to Ratner directing the movie version of Harbinger? I don't see any real upside to another BHC movie. The original is a relic of the 1980s, the 2nd movie did pretty well but wasn't especially good, and BHC 3 was pretty much the peak of Murphy not drawing a dime in the 1990s before he went into family fare.

Robert Roode has actually grown on me quite a lot. The Ms. Brooks angle was just killing any attempt he had at getting over, ditto the Payton Banks crap. Just put the guy solo and see what he can do. He at least has no issue with being a scumbag heel, which is more than I can say for most of TNA's "Is this guy a heel or face?" roster.

It's funny but I listened to the PWInsider audio this week and they rail against WWE for having segments like HHH and Orton talking and debating rather than beating each other up. Yet check out these NWA shows...they are full of this sort of thing! I watched this and thought the Baby Doll angle was great, then was bewildered as to how Dusty and Magnum simply let Cornette run his mouth like a punk (they had given an interview shortly before Cornette). I was thinking "Shouldn't Dusty and Magnum hit the ring and beat the hell out of the Midnights?" Or ditto the Wahoo/Garvin feud, why doesn't Wahoo just beat the crap out of him after weeks of Garvin badmouthing him? I think stuff like that is why I enjoyed Memphis' studio TV show more. Every week you'd see someone get the shit beat out of them to set up a match, or something weird would occur.

Oddly enough due to the negative hype surrounding D2D I ended up not thinking it was as bad as some others. It's certainly not good and probably would be on the list of worst PPVs, but at least MNM vs. Hardys was pretty good and while the main event was booked for shit there was some decent action in it at times (RVD/Punk was a decent, but brief, segment in the EC). I wonder, does TNA have a 3 hour PPV that would qualify for this list? Even when their booking is moronic there's usually enough quality wrestling action to avoid being on such a list.

I say this about Orton because he is so utterly, insanely stale right now that there was literally nowhere else to go with him. He wasn't getting the belt back, so what exactly was he going to do? Just keep jobbing to HHH for the next 6 months? This feud is dead in the water, the ratings with Orton on top are dead in the water, it's time to just move on. Thing is, what is there to move on to? More HHH vs. Cena? Bah. I would say HHH vs. JBL is an adequate filler feud but JBL has been jobbing to Cena so hard that no one would care. It might be time to just push someone. Pull the trigger on Punk, MVP, whoever.