Steve J. Rogers

Okay, not an insult, but when Lesnar was hitting the NCAA and High School scenes, exactly how many people associated his name as being the same as the real name as a Spider-Man villian? Think of it this way, how many casual comic book fans know Magneto's real name? Or Green Goblin? Ask a causal fan who Oswald Cobblepot is, or Edward Nygma? In other words, don't assume that people will "Get the connection" How much do you want to bet Brock Lesnar never heard of Venom and/or Eddie Brock Could be worse though, Dennis Rodman did call Lex Luger "Luthor" once in a promo, though I wonder if that was really a slip up though as Hogan is always booked as a "Superman" type and since Lex was the guy he was feuding with at the time... Add to the fact that Rodman at the time was marketed with Jordan and Pippen as "Superman, Batman and RODMAN" (as opposed to Robin of course) Steve

Who I'd put as much stock in as Buster Onley

Don't be so sure, the Mets have a history of all of a sudden "coming from nowhere" Could the Metellenium FINALLY be dawning in Y25... Steve

Houston Chronicle is now reporting that the Mets have won the sweepstakes: http://www.chron.com/cs/CDA/ssistory.mpl/topstory/2983265

Jets haven't been on WFAN in, I'm guessing around 4-5 years now! They went into partnership with the MSG network in 2000/2001 and has been simulcasted on both WABC (770 AM) and ESPN Radio (1050 AM) since I think 2002 Steve

For what its worth, a caller called WFAN in NY around 10:50ish and said he "spoke to a family member in Puetro Rico" and that its a done deal with Beltran to the Mets with hangups being "perks" Of course I'd put about as much stock in that as I do with any of the dopey wrestling "news headlines" that have popped up on "insider" sites through the years Steve

They better watch these gags now on eBay, some District Court judge here in NYC sued eBay because an angry defendant put him up for auction! Steve

I'm sure ECW marks will suggest the likes of Raven, Sandman and Dreamer but were there anyone earlier, in a non-HillBilly gimmick that did not wear wrestling (or any form of competitonal garb which includes martial art styles and such) Steve

Just names that you THOUGHT would be "popular" but never seen elsewhere. My example would be "The Human Hot Dog" for Hulk Hogan. Seriously, that bronze tan that he has, combined with his blonde hair and mustashe and his yellow and red garb (before he switched to the spandex), he looks JUST LIKE A Hot Dog I guess "Orange Goblin" fits better on the 'net or something Steve

Unbelievable! Do they REALLY expect audiences to call Fantastic Four an Incredibles rip off? The fact that MARVEL COMICS is producing it should clue people in that the FF have been around longer than the Incredibles. Maybe they won't realize the DECADES between them, but at least realize that the FF are coming from an OLDER SOURCE MATERIAL! Steve

Sometimes I swear recappers (Got to throw legends like Keith and CRZ in this group as well) will rely too much on certain smarkish "cliches" almost to keep their Smark ID card valid or something Probably the one that annoys me more than most is the "Aren't they WATCHING THE SAME SHOW?" excuse for why say Wrestler A falls for a plot hatched plain in front of a camera, or the recapper will say if a wrestler is looking at a monitor "He's watching him/herself (or themselves)" to which I always seem to want to point out that it could be some sort of closed circuited monitor that only shows whats happening in the ring, and of course a good excuse could also be, "Why would they want to watch the crap we are forced to watch?" It wouldn't surprise me if most baseball players (the only other sport I know of where the athletes (unless injured or ejected of course) hang around the locker room while the event is in progress) rarely actually watch the game they are participating in, s Though it would be kind of cool once to have the old Spaceballs effect and have them film a lockerroom with monitor segment "live" and have a "whats happening now" shot of the monitor, kind of like a mirror effect behind the people talking Steve

Well I guess there goes the whole "ECW invented the look" thought... Ah well. Maybe it was the "Look at me! I look like I just stumbled out of the audience and I'm here to kick some ass!" style that ECW perfected with Dreamer, Sandman, Raven, ect Steve

You are thinking of Frank Vincent, who was on the Sopranos last season as Phil Leotardo The guy who replaced JO is Dennis Farina Steve

My first reaction when I heard a 43 year old ex-football player died of a heart attack was "Steroids" and THAT really is one of the most objectional part of the whole current Bonds/steroid controversey. Think about it this way, why is known coke head and boozer Lawrence Taylor still alive and Reggie White dead? Is it the same reason Ken Caminiti is dead and Darryl Strawberry is still alive? Or Jake Roberts is still alive and Davey Boy Smith isn't? We are now in an age where ANYTIME an athlete dies suddenly, and without warning, at way too early of an age that steroid use is suspected and that is the shame of it all. I mean think about it this way, both Babe Ruth and Roger Maris died in their early 50's (Ruth of lung cancer due probably too much smoking, Maris of Lymphobmia and he did smoke alot in his life) is there anyone who seriously thinks Bonds and McGwire will live much longer past Ruth and Maris did? And I'm sure no one seriously thinks they will reach the 71 years that Hank Aaron will be in February! THAT is even more objectionable, because they figure "Well my family will be provided for with all the money I left for them" BULL SHIT! Its like a 50, 60 or 70 year old having children, sure they look like a big Mac-Daddy and all, but do they REALLY think leaving behind a trust fund for their kids is going to replace having a father during their formitive years? Don't give me the "Well we all die eventually" bull shit because there is a HUGE difference between suddenly dying in a car accident, or slowly dying due to illness and all of a sudden dropping dead one day because of all the shit you put into your body, not to mention its ILLEGAL! Its getting sick and even sicker out there... Steve

I've written a fan fict once with Benoit and AA talking at the end of a coridor, AA realizes a camera guy is at the end of the hall and starts running towards him, cursing about privacy and such WCW once did this during Flair's "Presidency of WCW" where he told the camera guy to stop filming but I think thats the only nod that I've ever seen Interestingly enough, one of the biggest things that doesn't get enough crap from smarks is when shots are gotten that are obviously meant for a show. Foley actually takes a shot at one such one from the "Empty Arena" match between him and Rocky for Halftime Heat back in 1999. You get a "birds eye view" of Rock as the fork lift is being lowered onto him. In other words you couldn't get that shot "live" unless you saw the camera guy jump on the forklift

I wonder how true that is for the players (in the major Football and Basketball ones obviously) now though? Especially with more and more underclassmen leaving early (Someday it will happen in football) each year Obviously fans will always be amped, but you get the feeling more and more that the athletes themselves don't have the same feelings that the fans do about certain aspects of the sports Steve

Also the name "Hulk Hogan" is also forever associated with any wrestling event as well Case in point, before the big Michael Jordan "Number Retirement Night" in the summer/early Fall 1994 at the United Center in Chicago an ESPN anchor said that the building actually opened a few days eariler with a "Hulk Hogan Wrestling Event" I had stopped following wrestling a few years before and wouldn't pick it up again untill around 1996, but I did know Hogan was in WCW at that point in time and so I thought it was a WCW event. Then I found the internet and sites like http://www.prowrestlinghistory.com which gives you all the Supercards and Tournaments in major wrestling "modern era" history and I found out that it was a WWF Event, not a WCW event and Hogan was no where in the building! It was of course SummerSlam 94 that featured: Adam Bomb beat Kwang. Irwin R. Schyster & Bam Bam Bigelow beat Headshrinkers Samu & Fatu WWF Women's Champ Alundra Blayze pinned Bull Nakano Razor Ramon (seconded by Walter Payton) pinned Diesel Tatanka pinned Lex LugerJeff Jarrett pinned Mabel (5:45). WWF World Champ Bret Hart beat Owen Hart Notice the continued lack of respect for the Hart-Michaels "Next Generation" era of the WWF? and of course the legendary :sarcasm: The Undertaker pinned The Undertaker II Tell you the truth, a Hogan apperance in the Taker-Faker match MIGHT have spiced up the event! Steve

He did say he'd go into the HOF as a Packer and he did get his Super Bowl ring as a Packer and there is plenty of sentiment that it was his coming to Green Bay that was the "final piece of the puzzle" for the championship team I don't recall how contentious his parting from the Eagles was, he wanted to be granted free agency and I think the Eagles were starting to "break up the band" as well Its possible the media is going by where he got his ring and where he said he'd want to be remebered by when he got to the Hall (I'm guessing in those oil painting portraits that adorn the hall as the busts are all "helmet less" busts there in Canton) Steve

By the way, perfect example of how every wrestling death gets the steroid reaction, when Miss Elizabeth died I've heard people on the radio suggest that she was a user because she got bigger! Umm, its called PLASTIC SURGERY! And she did not die a steroid related death, although people actually suspect that it was! Steve

Actually Flo-Jo was the one I was thinking about when I threw in the Olympic athletes in terms of the ones whose deaths always get whispers in the mainstream media along with pro-wrestlers. The kind of whispers you don't get with football, baseball, basketball, hockey If anything you'd get cocaine and alcohol whispers! (Reggie Lewis, Hank Gathers) yet again, can someone explain why Jake Roberts, Darryl Strawberry and Lawrence Taylor are all still alive despite years and years of coke abuse? I think the two biggest known football related deaths due to steroid abuse are Lyle Alzado and the Steeler's HOF center Mike Webster, and I think Webster was only outed as a user after death Steve

Just to add, I think the whole point was to show how much a "lone wolf" the Stone Cold character was. Here is a face that not only "refues" to receive help from a face who is a former champ, fellow Texan, and also has an "The enemy of my enemy" thing going for him but actually can't stand the guy and would rather fight him than be partners with him Steve

By the way, the point of this thread isn't to raise suspicions or cast aspersions on White, I'm sure, and hope that it was the sleep apnea that killed him, I doubt a toxicology report will show any residue or anything. This thread is more about the reaction I had and how its really sickening that its become the "standard" first reaction now with "mainstream" athletes instead of the "under the radar" ones like wrestlers or olympic athletes where the spotlight is only shown for two weeks every four years

Oh shit. Its going to make me think alot more about getting my sleep apnea taken care of. Maybe that's why I have high blood pressure and everything too. RIP Reggie White...your death may have just saved my life. I say that because before reading this I was like "meh, not a big deal. I'll figure out a way to deal with it.". Amen to that! Good luck

Right now its metaphorically The "asterisk" comes from the old controversey surrounding Roger Maris in 1961. The commissh at the time was an ex-sports writer and drinking buddy of Babe Ruth, and didn't want Ruth to be removed from the record books. So he decided that if Maris broke the record in more than 154 games then there would be a notation in the books as that season was the first of the expanded schedule to the 162 games that the schedule is today (the AL had expanded with two teams that season and the NL would do the same the next year) There actually was never an "asterisk" but there was seperate designations in the book: 154 Game schedule 60 Babe Ruth 1927 162 Game schedule 61 Roger Maris 1961 The term came out of a press confrence where Dick Young of a New York newspaper at the time just suggested that they'd use "some sort of asterisk" as the notation. Sometime in the early 90's the "seperate designations" was striken from the record books and the "official" record was 61 Roger Maris 1961 60 Babe Ruth 1927 The only real thing baseball can do is strike the names from the books, which obviously causes the Pandora's Box to be opened. I.e. okay, so you are taking Bonds' 73 and McGwire's 70 away, do you subtract 73 from there all-time totals? Or do you roll back the totals to when the steroid suspicions started (and with McGwire it goes all the way back to his second or third season with the A's) And what about Sosa? Do you give the Redsox the 2003 AL Championship? Without those two Homers by Giambi, Aaron Boone never gets up and the Sox probably go on to win the game, and perhaps the World Series considering how 2004 wound up Most people blame the draining 7 game series for the Yankees losing the World Series against a "red hot" Marlin team, well the opposite happened this year where a "drained" Redsox team came off a 7 game series and SWEPT a "red hot" Cardinal team, so do we call the Redsox "Back to Back Champions?" It really does make you question everything, especially when told that 60 and 61 were "hallowed" records and with 73 happening so close to 70 that the homerun record is "cheapened" And that when the fact is brought up that in the last 10 years more players had hit 50 homers in a regular season than in the previous 125 (the founding of the first professional Major League in 1875 up to 1994) years COMBINED that makes people start questioning the whole "These numbers are now worthless" Steve

Apparantly "sleep apnea" was the reason for the respiratory failure according to his wife. Never heard he had it before, I have heard of it but never with his name attached to it (i.e. I've heard PSA ads for awarness and treatments but never in the "Hi, I'm Reggie White, and I have sleep apnea..." variety) If that really is the cause of death, I hope that it boost the cause for awarness of sleep apnea Anyway, here is the Fox Sports article Former NFL star White dies