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They fix Raw by raping smackdown.......... Raw will always be the A show, I guess now they just want the whole company booked that way so guys who get moved don't have to change how they work or portray themselves.

Apparently Roxx was a last minute replacement.......the role was suppose to go to an ex WWE'er who pulled out due to a personal issue at the last minute.

Alright, I thought some of you were making an argument that there is never any valid reason to be taking steroids even if you have a legit injury and that you should still fail regardless of what reason you are on them even if it's common for someone to be given steroids with that injury. As far as the NFL and pretty much anyone like that.......I think with everything out there the only guys who get caught are the ones dumb enough to get caught like Shawne Merriman. He was the moron who got caught but tons of NFL fans act like he's the only guy who's on anything.....

If you have a surgery where they cut through your muscles, or reattach a muscle you tore you are going to be given steroids for a period of time. I had a rotator cuff surgery, I was given steroids, sure I could have not taken them but then it'd have probably taken 2 years to recover from it. This idea that steroids have no place and you can't possibly have a valid Dr's prescription for them is also BS, if you have muscles cut through they will give you steroids for a period of time. Also for anyone who thinks the NFL policy is great you can watch a game and tell atleast 75% of those guys are on SOMETHING. Acting like the NFL is this clean league with 250lb men running 4.4's is naive.......If I was a betting man I'd tell you there's as much if not more widespread steroid usage in the NFL than any thing out there.

Yep, she does it, I shook my head. I also shook my head when she went into this huge thing about how no one can die from sleep apnea....then did quote marks with her fingers like it was some made up thing that didn't exist.

PWInisider: TNA champion Kurt Angle was interviewed by The Times and Democrat in South Carolina over the weekend while making a signing appearance. As you can imagine, most of the interview dealt with the Chris Benoit tragedy and the professional wrestling industry. Highlights of the interview feature: The Benoit Tragedy: “Well, I think the one thing WWE and TNA needs to do is step back and take a look and listen to the wrestlers. This is not WWE’s fault and this is not Vince McMahon’s fault. Chris Benoit was responsible for his own actions. Chris chose his own career. He chose to stick with the WWE when I am sure he could have went anywhere else, whether it be in Japan or TNA. But, Chris stuck to go with the grind.” TNA's Schedule vs. WWE's "It's good. I chose to quit WWE. Vince McMahon wanted me to go full time, and we were butting heads. I felt I put in enough time and all the effort I could to wrestle 250 or 300 days per year, and I felt like I couldn’t do that any longer. Vince, on the other hand, with the amount of money (I was the highest paid individual last year) said I should go full-time. He needed me for all the house shows, TV -- everything, I just did not have enough in me to continue to go 300 days per year. I felt it would have gotten to the point where I would have gotten exhausted, and I probably wouldn’t be alive today. I decided to go with TNA, and they monitor me with doctors and keep me in 10 or less matches per month. So, they are keeping me alive and well and wrestling, and I appreciate that.” Burning Out on the Business: “There is no sport more brutal. It is a year-round sport, and not even MMA is like that. Heck, those guys fight two or three times per year, and they get their downtime. There is nothing more grueling, and it comes to a point, for me it took six and a half years before I said, ‘Okay, I’m done.’ I felt like I wanted to be a part of a program where someone actually cared about my health.” Benoit's State of Mind: “I talked to Chris, and he did not want to continue to wrestle 250 days per year. He wanted to wrestle a lot less. He was getting beat up, and I think in the end that started to get to him.” Nice to see Angle still being full of crap about most things and point blank lying.....I'm sure he was the highest paid uh huh....and we all know the real reason he got fired, but hey Kurt whatever you wanna say.

Hrm I've seen some Doctors disagree with that.....

Odds are toxicology won't show any seeing as they didn't find his body till 2 days later and steroids generally only stay in your system for 24 hours.

Because they don't give a shit? They hired 2 guys the WWE fired because they wouldn't go to rehab.....

A female leaving the wrestling world really did it for you........that's a bit bizarre.

Nick Sinn or The Original Sinn has been given a WWE development deal, he has been working in OVW for quite awhile.

And except for Taker and HBK, who aren't currently wrestling and probably won't be back for a while, doesn't that just make you want to cry? Not really.......I'd rather see some new guys get a chance than see someone be pushed as a maineventer for 20 years....I get more tired of watching a guy mainevent forever like Hogan in WCW than seeing a new guy be given a shot to see if he can do it or not.

I don't have a problem with anything Dave said honestly, other than the part where he expects WWE guys to bash the company they work for. Even if any of them really feel that way it would be a completely idiotic move that would cause serious repercussion. I'm pretty sure if someone who works for Dave at the Observer got in a public forum that could easily be seen and totally bashed him and how he does things, saying a place like the Torch is so much better, he'd face serious repercussion from it likely being fired. You don't talk shit on your employer like that you just don't it's not a "wrestling sheep thing" it's a life thing of wanting to keep your job. If any of you go and shit talk on your company where they can see you do it, do you really think they are going to continue to employ you? A WWE wrestler would essentially sacrifice his career if he did what Dave wanted them to do, which would be moronic on the wrestlers part. The WWE guys are in a no win situation here, if you were to "not be a sheep" like Dave wants you just ended your career. If you feel it's best to not say anything then "well you are hiding because you aren't out there talking", or you can say what Finlay or Kennedy said and get blasted as a moron or a sheep. As i said before this isn't a wrestling or a "sheep" thing this is a life thing. You do not blast your employer in public if you want to keep your job simple as that. If a WWE wrestler were to say the drug policy isn't good he thinks there should be change and go into that side of the arguement.....Would it even take till the next day to read "we wish such and such best in all his future endeavors" I think asking a guy to commit career suicide is a bit much personally.

I'm gonna guess 3 of them are Crash Holly, Curt Hennig and Chris Candido...the other 3 I'm drawing a blank. I'm a dopey mark because of a sig...man I'm hurt. Just so you know everyone in this damn forum is a fuckin mark otherwise you wouldn't be here. I mean god forbid I actually enjoy some people in the wrestling business not everyone is a bitter asshole fan who proclaims their hate of wrestling and all things WWE but then watches it every week.

What does my sig have to do with anything........well other than you trying to look cool on the net and that whole routine.

All politics aside, putting the belt on HHH or HBK nowadays would be like if WWF had put the belt on Bruno in the mid 80s Well if Bruno had been married to his bosses kid........ I think it's funny as fuck that H legit worked fans and the company in general into believing he's as important as Austin and Rock were.

See, it's stuff like this. Meltzer and Alvarez bring the facts, and both are of the opinion that WWE deserves some of the blame and needs to make some changes. The evidence points to that argument being more correct than the opposing viewpoint. Not to say that guys like Mero aren't full of shit, because I don't know if he really has his facts straight either, but his side of the argument makes a lot more sense knowing the specifics of the wellness policy, and knowing how much bullshit damage-control PR is coming from WWE and their wrestlers. It's just a matter of getting that information out there, but even if it was, there seems to be a group of individuals who don't want to listen. I think Alvarez for the most part hasn't said anything to really question if it's a fact or not he's been solid from what I've seen.....I think Meltzer has said a few things that made me go ehhh....and Keller is so far fucking out there he just needs to stop. When he has stuff on his site about wanting to ask Linda McMahon if Benoit snapped because his workrate was better than Lashleys but he wasn't getting pushed I've had enough...... I thought the DiBiase thing I posted in his response to Meltzer was pretty solid personally, I'm curious to see what Dave says about it in all honesty. I hope it's more in depth than 'Ted is just towing the line" or something like that.

When you get yourself blackballed from several promotions and have a bunch of wrestlers that would like to legit kick your ass because you were a douchebag........ Also Teddy wrestles in what basically look like big pink pajama pants.

Umm yes. Cena has more charisma than half the roster. His problem is the pre-written shit that they give him. I could probably buy that to an extent, I probably shouldn't have lumped him in....but Bobby Lashley or Batista?

I'm speaking as in "what people buy" most people in this country are morons I think that is pretty much a fact. I never once said it changed the fact i said it changes perception basically. A little bit of charisma will get you elected president even though you are basically stupid in this country. That doesn't mean I support that as right it just means a guy can go on TV and say something that is totally wrong which happened and actually come off well doing it to a majority of the audience. Right now I'd say that's all the WWE cares about swaying public opinion......whether it takes guys lying to do it I doubt they care. I don't think either side is exactly presenting a great 'factual" argument, it's becoming tired to be honest. It's just 2 sides bickering back and forth for TV time and news shows putting them on to try and pump some ratings. Nice to call me a moron though even though you totally misconstrued what I said.

Every single heel in the WWE is booked as a chickenshit well other than Triple H. I think they are so god damn afraid to do it because they think people will cheer for the guy and they don't want anyone cheering for John Cena's heel opoonent. Also this is a company that right now can do what they want by catering to themselves. No one is going to be allowed to "be themselves" or get over on their own because they have no competition and they are making money. This company tells you what style to work, what moves you can and can't do all while writing your promos. They want to 100% decide who's over and who's not they don't want a wrestlers real talent or a fans taste play into who's pushed. They want to tell you who to like and you should sit there and buy it basically. Every single thing a wrestler can do to get himself over....show natural charisma, do some impressive moves in the ring etc, is taken away so the WWE can decided for you who's over. Do you really think John Cena or Bobby Lashley would be sniffing mainevents if everyone was allowed to show natural charisma without completely prewritten promos or allowed to go in a ring and show all they could do? Say what you want about WCW but at least even in their very best days, no one was handcuffed in the ring or had anything taken away from them. Sure you might hit a glass ceiling and not get pushed past a certain point but they never went out of their way to take away things you did in the ring to make fans not like you either.

Hold on a second. Yes, you can tear a muscle if you use roids or not. But, using roids increases the likelihood and severity of the injury. Guys are tearing muscles right now at a rate most people stub their toes. Where there is smoke there is fire. Just off the top of my head with no research: HHH (two quads) Vince (two quads) Nash (quad) Taker (tricep) Batista (tricep, back) If you start frequently ripping them....like Batista or H who've done it more than once, or you start tearing them off the bone then you are getting more into a steroid type muscle tear. It's all subjective like I don't think Takers tear is really about roids, honestly H's second tear didn't look like a roid injury either, his first one however did seeing as he basically planted his leg and tore a muscle. Also we can talk about that Finlay and Kennedy aren't right in what they are saying on a wrestling board where we follow this. But most people watching those programs aren't hardcore fans or even know that much about wrestling. The court of public opinion is what both sides or going for and that doesn't lead to exactly being right to win and even with his wrong point Finlay looked better than Alvarez did..... Like the guy who was going off about how I was dumb for suggesting charisma means more than facts......take a look at who the President is, enough said.

Tearing a muscle isn't a 'steroid injury" sure it can happen if you use roids just the same as it can happen if you don't. I wonder why it is people expect WWE wrestlers to attack the WWE about this. This isn't a wrestling thing this is a life thing. You don't attack the company you work for, especially in public. If you do that it doesn't make you a great guy it makes you a complete idiot. Just the same as WWE guys aren't going to bash the company they work for because they aren't stupid....there are plenty of ex guys with ax's to grind that people take at face value when they have their agenda's in mind as well. Dibiase talks about that and all that is being brought on by those guys. I find it interesting that in the same day, both Alvarez and Meltzer didn't come off looking well when trying to prove points or argue with wrestlers.......guess they don't do to well when confronted.

Ted Dibiase responds to what Meltzer said about him in his rant about the business after Kennedy's post..... http://www.postchronicle.com/news/original..._21291905.shtml Ted Dibiase On Dave Meltzer Claim, Chris Benoit, Steroids & The WWE By Ted Dibiase Jul 13, 2007 The Chris Benoit tragedy has put the WWE, Vince McMahon, steroids and wrestling under a microscope. Dave Meltzer of Wrestling Observer is opinionated and maintains a website where he shares his views. Meltzer has called out Ted Dibiase, suggesting that he's just towing the company line. Dave Meltzer writes: "After writing the past week about how sad it is to see people more concerned with protecting the business, which keeps a deadly status quo, than offering suggestions on how things can improve, we get www.ken-kennedy.com This business divisiveness of people "choosing sides" as opposed to working for improvements is outright pathetic. Not surprising, but sad. When you read this, you'll realize that unless it comes from the outside, nothing will ever change. Every wrestler on top at 30 has this attitude, and when they are on the scrap heap at 45, they have a very different view (unless they have a child wanting a job, in which case they toe the line, as witnessing the complete 180 of Ted DiBiase three years ago and Ted DiBiase today). But I thought the column was very important to read. Some of you will like it if you subscribe to the viewpoint that it's us against them and above all, we have to save our industry no matter what the cost. Some will have a very different idea reading it." Those are some lofty allegations. Ted Dibiase was kind enough to respond to Mr. Meltzer here and on Wrestlingobserver.com. The Million Dollar Man writes: Dave, I need to set a few things straight with you. First of all, my objections to the business (the business that I've known all my life and know much better than you do) three years ago centered on programming. My objection has always been that I think there is too much sex and that there should be more family friendly programming. That hasn't changed. I have been somewhere that nobody else giving an opinion lately has been. I've been on the inside and behind the closed doors. For a year and a half I worked as part of the creative team and also as a "producer". The truth is Dave, that the rock and roll atmosphere that existed 20 years ago is gone. As a talent in the WWE today, you can make anywhere from three hundred thousand to five million dollars a year. That certainly wasn't true 20 years ago. Nobody ever encouraged me to take steroids. Nobody ever told me my job depended on how great my body was. I think many wrestlers put that demand on themselves. I also think there were a few wrestlers that didn't have anything to offer other than a body (they were the greatest abusers) I was expected to stay in good shape and workout regularly. Twenty years ago everybody in every sport turned a blind eye to steroids. I was subject to the drug testing policy that was eventually implemented then and the one today is far greater in its scope that the previous one. The WWE doesn't choose who is tested or who is punished. They are all subject to the same rules. My question to you and to all the disgruntled ex-employee's of the WWE is this, "what would you have them do?" I said it in every interview, "WHEN DO WE HOLD THE INDIVIDUAL RESPONSIBLE FOR THEIR ACTIONS?" I nearly lost everything in 1992 because I was out partying and running around. I had the big head and was just too cool. I had to make a conscious decision to change. The choice was mine. It wasn't the WWE's fault that I was caving into the temptations out there. It was my own stupidity. I talk about the 60 or more wrestlers that have died in the last 10 years all the time. Of that 60 how many were really wrestlers who regularly worked in the business and how many were wanna-be's? In either case, 99% died of drug and alcohol related instances, not steroids. The time off now is much better than it was 20 years ago. I laugh at the guys who complain today. They work 4 days a week unless they go on an overseas tour. When I needed time off I asked for it. The company always worked something out with me. If you're making between three hundred thousand and five million and can't fund your own retirement and get great health care, you're either very immature or just plain stupid. Every injury I every got wrestling was taken care of by the company. I've funded my own retirement and done it on a lot less than guys are making now. AGAIN, I MUST BE MATURE ENOUGH TO MAKE GOOD CHOICES. I was 38 years old when the crisis in my life hit. I look back at that now and realize how immature and foolish I was. I didn't start becoming a man until I made a choice to change. But the choice was mine then and it's mine now. I personally think many professional athletes in major sports today and pampered and coddled. They are given everything on a silver platter and it's never enough. Your talent can always take you where your "character" won't sustain you. That was my problem in 1992. It's the problem of many pro athletes today who, in spite of their great talent and big pay checks don't have the character and integrity to go along with it. There is another issue I'd like to cover here. I heard one report about a certain wrestler's wife who was beaten by her husband. I don't condone men ever hitting a woman for any reason. What I take issue with is the suggestion that it is something rampant in wrestling. The suggestion was that most wrestler's wives suffer from abuse by their husbands but that it is a hush hush subject, swept under the rug and just not talked about. This is the most ludicrous thing I've ever heard. This person would have you believe that it is common place in wrestling for men to beat their wives. Again, I grew up in this business. My father never laid a finger on my mother. I've never laid a finger on my wife and don't know of any wrestlers in my 32 years experience that have. Are there isolated cases where this happens? I'm sure there is, just as there is in any other walk of life. But to suggest that most wrestlers are abusive to their wives and children is simply not true. Last but not least, it has been suggested that I am defending the WWE because I have sons who aspire to be wrestlers. Do you really think that I would encourage any of my children to follow me into the wrestling industry if I didn't think it was a much better atmosphere now than when I was there? I can assure you, I would not. The truth is that the industry has changed greatly and for the better. I was impressed by the changes I saw there in the year and a half I was there. Everything constantly changes and evolves. I hope the WWE continues to do so and for the better. Most of the condemning accusations thrown at the WWE as a result of the Benoit tragedy, in my opinion, have come from people who have an ax to grind with the company. As a result, their opinion is never going to be an objective one. I'm all for change where change is necessary. The greatest change that needed to occur in wrestling was in the wrestlers themselves. When you see your friends dropping left and right as a result of drug and alcohol abuse, it's time to wake up and smell the roses. It's time to stop acting like a stupid teenager and grow up. I started growing up when I took the focus of my life off of myself and my selfish desires and put them on my wife and kids. The bible says, "you will reap what you sow." In spite of anything the WWE does or doesn't do, it comes right down to personal choices. Our personal choices will lead us to success or failure, riches or poverty, and life or death. The choice is yours! -- Ted

He's the guy who was trying to run AWA shows in the north and got his ass sued off by the WWE for using something they own earlier this year.........so obviously I doubt he has much nice to say about Vince or the WWE.