The Truthiness

Get some old tapes of matches between RVD / LANCE STORM -- RVD/ JERRY LYNN and them come back to see if u can type what you just did I have those tapes greek, and while they're fun matches, they're nothing more than a typical mastabatory indy spotfest.

That's exactly what it was, and it wasn't half as entertaining as what Heyman and JBL were doing.

Yeah, but RVD was working a style a WWE didn't really suit a WWE maineventer. Plus, a lot of guys were already saying he couldn't work, it wasn't just Triple H. People like Jericho, Angle, and Austin seemed to feel the same way about Rob, Rob's style isn't one you could polish like Batista. Like Pong said, he can't tell a story in the ring, and he's pretty awful at everything but jumping high. I mean yeah, it wouldn't have hurt to give him a run with the title, but it wouldn't have helped either in my opinion. He still would've had the same bad matches he had, with the same guys he ended up wrestling anyway.

Well ok, I thought you was implying that's why he should've been Champion.

Not rationalizing having pot, but rationalizing the question "Why would you put yourself in a situation to get busted for drugs when you're the champ?" That's what I meant. RVD knew it was too late by then and he was just keeping it warm for the Cena rematch anyways. Well he might've dropped the WWE title, but he still would've had ECW built around him. I'm pretty sure RVD would've been riding around with weed, if WWE would've gave him a long run also. Which is understandable, because WWE is not really big on pot, I don't think RVD tried to get caught, I think it was jost a unfortunate incident. The fact remains that RVD is just not a guy you want as the face of the company, the bust was just the icing on the cake. What didn't I understand CHP?

Well he was "stupid enough", and the fact that Vince gave him his own show proves they had plans for him. A lot of the ECW issues was Heyman's fault also.

When people say things like “RVD would’ve been more over than Cena and a better choice to market the company around”. I got to wonder, what the logic behind that assumption is. What, because he got a bigger pop than most of the other faces? Well in 2002 Raw didn’t really have any dominant faces; they had Booker T, Goldust, and a fucked up Jeff Hardy. Then you had RVD, who was very over and had tons of fans fare, but none of really translated in to any money, he didn’t boost any ratings during his segment, and he sucked in the ring. Yeah they popped for Rob, but I’m pretty sure Hurricane was right behind him in getting cheers, as was Booker T and probably Goldust. It’s no secret that all 3 of them were better workers than RVD, better talkers than Rvd, and for all intent and purposes more capable of of being a company guy than RVD. There has been plenty of talk from Rob himself that he never really cared for the schedule. He’s also very vocal about not liking a lot of guys, and never really embraced the WWE style. Hell he was the only guy WWE would let work their own way, because they knew it’d be a chore to retrain him and more than likely he wouldn’t go a long with it anyway. It’s been a few guys who’ve been pretty vocal about RVD not being able to work, he has legitimately knocked guys out in the ring, because he had to do his little kick offense, and he didn’t really know how to do it properly. Not to mention both Benoit and Eddie could’ve easily been moved over to Raw, and done a better job than RVD as champ at the time. He wasn't setting the world on fire when it came to cutting promos, I mean this is pretty essential when you're talking about building a company around the guy. I don’t want to hear that bullshit, about “RVD was a good promo guy in ECW”. Because he wasn't, Fonzie was a good promo guy, and a hilarious character, even Sabu just looking like a lunatic helped carry RVD through those promos. RVD was the residential stoner of ECW, and they made no secret of this in ECW, hell it was one of the reason he got over so strong. But when you're talking about being the top face of a publicly traded company, I dont think you would want to market a pot head as the face of the company. Rob was very good in the spot he was in, he tnever should've been on top and he never was. Some guys are just meant to be in the mid card for life. Rob was one of these guys. When he did get a shot he fucked it up anyway. Booker T had tons of charisma also, could work, and was good on the mic. I wouldn't say having charisma and not being able to wrestle is really that accurate either. almost all of WWE Campions were good- great in the ring, and had the charisma to go with it. Only Warrior, Sid, Nash, and Khali come to mind as I think about it now.

So RVD being a bad wrestler and bad on the mic, doesn't matter? But because people liked to see him jump high and do flips, he should've got the title?

RVD would've been bigger than Cena?

Lifetime Achievement-G-Unit

I have no problem with any of the 3 winning, but I'm rooting for Cena.

Yeah, you're probably right.

Damn, so Floyd/Show is going on last?

I don't know who posted it, I think the guy who was the ref did. Them guys did some stupid shit, but I loved every scond of it, I thought one of them was going to bleed to death after the flower pot spot.

Morrison yelling "You'll never come in to the Palace of Wisdom" at Punk, was hilarious. That was a fun match, and the hot crowd made it even better.

Please don't take this as me trying to pick fights, I just want to argue the point a little. Let's not even start with the difference in calling someone "properly trained" and the aforementioned "barely trained". What, in your eyes, makes someone properly trained? They've thrown this girl in the ring for what 4 years now? What does she have to do, work her way up through indy feds, pay her dues and graduate OVW to be "properly trained"? Shouldn't her healthy amount of actual ring experience coupled with former training be enough to at least not lap her in with women who just outright shouldn't be in the ring? Do you really agree that she's just eye-candy? It's more in the types of training. In basic wrestling training the emphasis is on learning fundamentals, learning how to work a basic match, getting your timing down and all that fun stuff. It's a bit different from learning how to do spots in a match. The big problem is that WWE's women increasingly attempt more dangerous moves in the ring without that proper foundation, and it bites them. Well then Candice would be one of the best trained of the divas as she has spent 10-20 hours a week for the past 3 years learning from the ground up in a training center in LA. She simply tore scar tissue, did not make a mistake in the match. Her initial injury was a botched spot, something other wrestlers have had happened to them countless times. Yeah that's basically what this is, it's pretty obvious she knows the fundamentals.

That hard core iron man match was awesome. I seen it at DVDR.

How do you explain Rey Mysterio who just got injured again and he's been doing this for 20 years? Roids? HGH? Not changing his style when his body clearly dictates he needs to? Rey Mysterio clearly did change his style, when his body started breaking down. I do agree, that the steroids and HGH have taken a huge toll on him, though.

Thank you.

Watching Flair/Mcmahon's match made me wonder how things could've played out for Terry Funk, if Vince would've used the idea Foley presented to him to help build up to ONS 2.

The stuff they was doing in that match, they've been doing for a few years now.

Orton/Cena just running through the roster was awesome.

The Roster got smart, and King sold it well by saying "The roster didn't want to be decimated".

That was a sweet RKO.

OH NO NOT VAL VENIS!!!!!!