Guest Ihatesmarksandmarks Report post Posted February 18, 2002 Austin is getting a free ride on this smarkboard.....he has not had one good match sicne turning face and is now starting to make his politcal presence felt again by complaining about being put in a feud with scott hall. Appaerenly he feels he deserves to be put in the main event.....oh great steve, another main event with the beer swilling austin coming out on top. His face gimmick is PLAYED PLAYED PLAYED. Im sick of the what shit that has totally ruined ever promo. If u want to look at the downfall of the wwf, look at september 2000. After an unbelivable run from january to september, austin comes back and the wwf goes down the crapper. Has anything really good come out the wwf since september 2000? remember how great the wwf was when the rock and HHH literally carried the company on its back? Its all been shit since aside one really great wrestlemania. I can live with a heel austin, but why does he has to be a fucking face again. U people shoot on hogan, hall,nash, and taker for being too old, well austin isnt that far behind, and hes pretty much a fucking cripple in the ring. Hes destroyed all promos for the next 6 months with his what shit,gives the stupidest fucking promos, and puts on HORRIBLY boring matches now. Why anyone other than a 12 year old mark can root for this guy now is beyong me. Fuck you steve. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest RicFlairGlory Report post Posted February 18, 2002 Yep. Austin's horrible. AND he still thinks its mid-1998 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Vern Gagne Report post Posted February 18, 2002 Does every other word in your tirade have to be a swear word. You don't like Austin, that's fine. Some of your points are I agree with, others I don't. The WWF hasn't been the same since Austin returned. Not all his fault, but the HHH/Steph/Angle storyline was scraped in favor of HHH running over Austin. The What chants are bad I totally disagree about Austin's matches. His matches against Angle and match against Jericho in December where excellent. So what if Austin won't work with Hall. Hall can be a good worker. But he's 42 years old, if Austin refused to work a program with Chris Jericho than we would have a problem. IMO, Hall doesn't deserve a match with Austin. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Ihatesmarksandmarks Report post Posted February 18, 2002 the swearing is from the beer i had tonight....oh well i only swore 6 times . So what if austin wont work with hall? i think its a problem when anyone refuses to work with anyone regardless of age. How can u give austin a free ride and bash taker and hogan for being backstage cancers? Maybe taker and hogan are....but austin is NOT that far behind Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest RicFlairGlory Report post Posted February 18, 2002 I would now like to dedicate my 100th post to saying Austin fucking Sucks Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest pinnacleofallthingsmanly Report post Posted February 18, 2002 Austin was one of the reasons for the wrestling boom and one of the reasons for the decline as well. People tuned in and watched him feud with Vince, you fast forward five years and it's the same old thing. That's one of the reasons why the casual fans have left, they never truly advanced the plot or character of Austin that much and it has made his character somewhat stale. I think it's a testament to the guy's ability that he can stay over. Think about how ridiculous X-Pac looked with his DX stuff still on after DX broke up. Austin has been the same guy more or less since 1996 if you disregard his heel turn and his comedy stuff from 2001 (Wrestlemania until Survivor Series) and keep in mind he was back to the same stuff with no explanation by Vengeance 2001. The guy just has a lot of charisma, so people don't get as sick of him as fast as someone like X-Pac or any of the other WWF Attitude refugees (Bossman). I thought Austin was in a rut a while ago, but I never vocalized this. I can deal with Austin's rut more than I can deal with the Rock's. What the WWF needs to do instead of bringing back established stars (like WCW used to do) is make new ones (like they used to do). WCW's last shot at competing with the WWF was Goldberg. People could flip throught the channels and catch this huge crazy looking guy kicking peoples' asses. He was a fresh face that people loved watching because they had never seen him before and he had stuff they wanted to see (spear and jackhammer). He was explosive and had charisma and people ate it up. I think a similar scenario would be what they have with RVD. I have never been ahuge RVD fan, but I think there's someting to be said for the law of supply and demand, which the WWF clearly does not care about. RVD may not be the huge, buttkicking guy with unreal strength that captivates people's imagination's but he has earned a following like Goldberg did. I think what holds RVD back is his size and his perceived backstage problems (smugness and busting people open). So when you guys say Austin is dated, you have to remember he's a product of his comapny which is dated as well. The more I look at the WWF, the more I see the WCW. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Ihatesmarksandmarks Report post Posted February 18, 2002 LOL i KNEW this would eventually turn into a push rvd thread! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest RicFlairGlory Report post Posted February 18, 2002 Wow dude go write an essay man Austin is still more dated than the company man Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Ihatesmarksandmarks Report post Posted February 18, 2002 you cant really compare a guy like austin to X-pac who had marginal face heat to begin with. Im not saying the fans still dont pop for him...im just saying his charcter and attitude is played. Same goes for rock and HHH as well, although i can deal with them a bit better because they put on good matches (although HHH has slipped bad). I thought austin wrestled great as a heel, but his matches as a face have lacked heat....ever notice how dead the crowd is for an austin match? And once again i dont understand how he can piss and moan about not being in the WM main event. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest RicFlairGlory Report post Posted February 18, 2002 the crowd doesnt care about Austin in any of his face matches because nowadays, all they ever want is to hear "What?" or to chant it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest pinnacleofallthingsmanly Report post Posted February 18, 2002 I didn't intend to start talking bout RVD or get long winded, but when I started writing, the similarities were too obvious. I must reiterate that I'm no big fan of RVD, but if there is demand that you don't meet adequately (underpush someone who is over), or you meet with an abundance (overpush someone), your business is hurt. In business, you have to walk that fine line of supply and demand. The WWF isn't doing it right now. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest RicFlairGlory Report post Posted February 18, 2002 the WWF isnt doing much of anything well anymore dude Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest RicFlairGlory Report post Posted February 18, 2002 I cant say Austin Sucks enough times. Dont want this thread to job to second page glory. Go anti-Austin Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Flair5000 Report post Posted February 18, 2002 So Austin isn't what he was...there are far more serious problems for the WWF (Triple H, Triple H) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Tony149 Report post Posted February 18, 2002 SCSA has had some good-great matches since his return ie. Angle, Rock, HHH, Benoit, etc. He's getting older, but is still getting bigger faces pops than HHH. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Loss4Words Report post Posted February 18, 2002 Austin still has mileage in him, and he put over Chris Jericho so I can't really say he's too much of a politician, but him being hesitant to work with Scott Hall was actually understandable giving Hall's substance problems. If he showed up for Wrestlemania loaded, he could cripple Austin with a blown spot. I think Austin has kinda taken the same stance Flair used to take. Flair used to get upset toward the end of WCW when he had to put over Hogan and Nash, but never had a problem elevating new talent. Austin doesn't particularly care to get Hall and Nash over, but has had no problem working with Chris Jericho, Chris Benoit and Kurt Angle. I do agree that Austin is a little detrimental sometimes. He no-sells more than HHH does, yet HHH gets all the criticism for it. I don't recall HHH EVER completely squashing Jericho the way Austin did on Raw the week before Vengeance and Jeff Hardy wasn't buried nearly as badly as Matt was by Austin later in the year. I think Austin is on offense a little too much and makes too many comebacks sometimes, but I also think that in the right role, he still has a lot to offer. This whole NWO thing just saddens me though, because if Jericho would have been turned heel in 2000, Angle and Stephanie would have ended up together, Benoit would have gotten to work an EXTENDED program with a top guy and Edge & Christian would have stayed a team, we would have fresh talent ready to take the top spots. Some have the skills, but the audience isn't quite ready to buy all of them yet, mainly because of the way they have been portrayed in the last little while. Squashing midcarders became this megacool trend in late 2000 when all of the WWF big men were beating up Raven on a regular basis and the Hardys were getting decimated all the time. They still haven't recovered from that. As for the WWF's downfall, I agree that they took a hit when Austin came back and disrupted the HHH/Angle feud, but the Undertaker's return at Judgment Day slowly started the downward spiral. In the buildup to that PPV, Jericho and Benoit were being pushed as top guys and were doing mini-programs with HHH and the Rock, respectively. The Undertaker returned and they were immediately pushed back to the midcard, only to be elevated again for a month to job to the top guys at Fully Loaded. When Austin came back, they made the totally wrong choice for the limo driver when it should have been Chris Jericho and it would have made perfect sense in storylines. But what's happened has happened and nothing can really be done about it now. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest WWF4Life Report post Posted February 18, 2002 Austin is the greatest World champion in the history of the WWF, so to say he sucks is absolutely ludicrous!! If anyone is played, it's Ric Flair. Whoo this and whoo that...blah blah blah. If anyone makes me change the channel when they're on, it's Flair. How anyone can criticise what Steve Austin has done for wrestling, i don't know. The guy is a legend, and he deserves lots of praise. He's one of the reasons why the WWF is the greatest promotion is the history of wrestling... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Tony149 Report post Posted February 18, 2002 Don't rag on Flair. That man is a real living legend. SCSA is also a legend, and is one of the greatest, if not the greatest WWF Champ of all time. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest WWF4Life Report post Posted February 18, 2002 "Don't rag on Flair." Why not? He bores me. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest AM The Kid Report post Posted February 18, 2002 Where did the Austin bashing suddenly come from?! Geez... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Anglesault Report post Posted February 18, 2002 Austin did have a God awful match with Chris Jericho last night, but He isn't dead. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest AM The Kid Report post Posted February 18, 2002 Austin is currently my favorite wrestler...then Angle...then Jericho....then well you get it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Spaceman Spiff Report post Posted February 18, 2002 The guy is a legend, and he deserves lots of praise Does that mean we can't criticize Hogan at all? Why not? He bores me If anyone's promos are boring, it's been Austin's since he turned back to a face. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Tony149 Report post Posted February 18, 2002 "Don't rag on Flair." Why not? He bores me. It was a joke. No one got it, but that's ok. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Steve J. Rogers Report post Posted February 19, 2002 The guy is a legend, and he deserves lots of praise Does that mean we can't criticize Hogan at all? Why not? He bores me If anyone's promos are boring, it's been Austin's since he turned back to a face. Does that mean we can't criticize Hogan at all? Wow U was just thinking of replying in that manner JUST before I saw your post. But that is true. Hulk Hogan is hated by just about 99.9% of the net (just look at the annual rspw awards for most hated wrestler, most deterioated, worse face/heel, ect) and yet NO ONE can EVER deny his importance to pro-wrestling and his spot in the history of the sport. Just like you can't deny Don King's place in the history of boxing, Marvin Miller's in baseball (and sports in general) ect Steve Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Army Eye Report post Posted February 19, 2002 I don't think he should've turned face after Survivor Series. It was a desperation move, and as we have seen, it was not heel Austin that was hurting the ratings. Simply rewinding to '98 was not the answer, people are ready for something new. And yes it was ridiculous how he squashed Jericho the week before Vengeance Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Ihatesmarksandmarks Report post Posted February 19, 2002 Austin is the most stale wrestler in the wwf right now....and yes there is more anti-austin backlash now becuase hes gotten lazy and boring again. I think the heel turn woke him up, rmember his matches with benoit and angle? His work has been shit since his face turn.... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Tony149 Report post Posted February 19, 2002 Austin isn't at a level where he just really sucks. Austin as a face is like Superman. He can't be hurt and is an ass kicking machine. Austin as a heel is a mean pussy who takes a beating. Right now, SCSA is in his face mode. Where he's like a Superman. If that even makes sense. If it doesn't, read Loss4Words post. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest bps "The Truth" 21 Report post Posted February 19, 2002 People, people, people... Forget about Austin. He's near retirement due to injuries anyway. There is a much more inmportant problem and that is HHH. HHH came back so bad that he can't have a ** match with ANGLE! His promos are boring and he sucks as a face...and he's not nearly over. Yet...he will still find his way back into the Main Event at WrestleMania. Who cares about Austin..for the forseeable future he will be against the NWO. (and jobbing for that matter) HHH is the one to worry about. On the RVD thing: The plan for the WWF is to go old right now...not new. Judging from his unedited crowd reaction yesterday...nothing can kill his pop. When this angle fails...RVD will remain uneffected. It does seem to the WWF's advantage to take a guy that over (without the aid of mic time and a push) and well...give hium mic time (he cut a good interview on heat, and was fine in ECW...so don't give me the RVD can't talk reply) and a push. Imagine if a guy who was already popular got a push like HHH is getting...how over could he be? It seems worth the WWF's efforts to find out... But RVD can't even get into the IC title picture easily. Oh well... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Mole Report post Posted February 19, 2002 Very good point bps21, if RVD was pushed to the moon like HHH was, then we would have on of the most over wrestlers ever. Anyway, back to the subject. Austin is boring you? And his matches have sucked since he turned face? So both of the matches at Vengence weren't all that great? Oh wait, they were good matches. You can't count the Rumble, and I didn't see the NWO match because my tape ended, and my friends are retards but that is a different story. My point is, Austin is still at the top of his game. Granted, he is past his prime, but he still is good.This past year, Austin was the man in the ring. Pulling **** matches out his ass like it was his job. And as his character being stale? What is so wrong with his character? How could you make SCSA fresh again? You turn him heel? Well, that went down the drain. Austin got some freshness with the What?! chants, and that is what is keeping him fresh. Yes, they can get annoying. But being in the crowd, yelling What?! is sooo much fun. You get a kick out of it. The fans aren't going to stop the What?! chants, so just let it be. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
