Guest Phr33k Report post Posted July 6, 2002 CNNSI is reporting that the Expos may be close to acquiring Cliff Floyd and Ryan Dempster from the Florida Marlins. Take this for what you will, but after they got Bartolo Colon, I started believing that anything can happen over there. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Bosstones Fan Report post Posted July 6, 2002 Eh, big deal. They're 9 1/2 games behind Atlanta (as of Saturday morning) and since the wild card is most probably going to come out of the NL West (Dodgers, D-Backs, and Giants are all better than the Expos), they probably don't have much of a chance to contend. Besides, the Yankees seem to be well on their way to purchasing another World Series title, so whoever wins the NL probably won't matter anyway. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Some Guy Report post Posted July 6, 2002 They're trying to set up a winner in Montreal so the owners can get more money when they sell the team and move it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest phoenixrising Report post Posted July 7, 2002 Since when did the Expos become the National League version of the Yankees? This is unreal. Even if it is just a rumor. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest treble charged Report post Posted July 7, 2002 Baseball is doing this so they can come out smelling like roses, giving the Expos all the talent. But DAMN, can you imagine a rotation with Vasquez, Colon, and Dempster? Fuck, you can't get much better than that. GO EXPOS! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest MarvinisaLunatic Report post Posted July 7, 2002 Im torn. Lifelong Orioles fan, but if the Expos move to Washington DC, they'll be a much more enjoyable team to watch than the O's.. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest dreamer420 Report post Posted July 7, 2002 they can't move the expos. we need to keep the team in canada. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Human Fly Report post Posted July 7, 2002 If the Expos get moved, who will be contracted? Is contraction out of the picture now? I don't think there is any way that the Expos can stay in Montreal, there has been too much damage to the fan base for it to be profitable. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Vern Gagne Report post Posted July 7, 2002 The Yankees don't buy World Series. They buy parts that help win World Series. The Expos will probably move to Washington next season. They can't stay in Montreal and the adding of talent would make one think they aren't being contracted. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest MarvinisaLunatic Report post Posted July 7, 2002 Well, hey, if they do contract the Expos, it means there are more good players that will be available... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest dreamer420 Report post Posted July 7, 2002 i really wish the fans in montreal would at least try to fucking rally behind the team and maybe show up to a few games. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest redbaron51 Report post Posted July 7, 2002 i mean all i see in the Big-O is Big Empty, with a few people in it. But the Big-O is ugly as a motherfucker. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest DrTom Report post Posted July 7, 2002 The Expos are almost certainly headed to DC/Norther Virginia next season. It will be hard for baseball to contract a team that's been competitive, despite the piss-poor support they get from their so-called fans. The Twins will be in a similar spot if they win their division, which looks very likely. How do you contract a playoff team? I'd love to see them win the World Series, just to hock a big one in the eye of Bud Selig. Contraction will be one of many hard-fought battles between the owners and players this offseason. I think at least 4 teams, and maybe up to 6, could be safely contracted. The four definites: Florida, Tampa Bay, Kansas City, and Colorado. KC is just perenially mismanaged and uncompetitive, and axing the other three teams undoes a lot of the damage inflicted by the most recent rounds of wholly unneccesary expansion. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Some Guy Report post Posted July 7, 2002 Well, hey, if they do contract the Expos, it means there are more good players that will be available... Good point. The O's aren't that bad and in a few years they will be pretty good. Melvin Mora and Jorge Julio lok to be very good already. They have the money to go out and get the other pieces, but I'm not sure they have the right people making the decisions. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest alkeiper Report post Posted July 7, 2002 i really wish the fans in montreal would at least try to fucking rally behind the team and maybe show up to a few games. What do you expect. They told the fans they were gone after this year. They don't market the product, and they don't even have a local television contract. How do you get people to support the team if they don't cover the games? Dr Tom, Tampa Bay has a 30 year lease on Tropicana Field that would be hard to break. Colorado got a new publicly funded ballpark in 1995. Can you imagine the outrage if MLB told Colorado that their $200 million ballpark just became a white elephant? And Kansas City's been a huge baseball town for decades, dating back to Satchel Paige and the negro leagues. Mismanagement isn't a reason to contract, its a reason to get new management. Besides, among baseball's problems, I don't think having 30 teams as opposed to 26 is one of the major ones. And in the last 8 years, advances in international scouting have made up for the increase in teams. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest treble charged Report post Posted July 8, 2002 The reason people don't go to Olympic Stadium is that they were told year after year by ownership that it was a huge dump. It's not that bad a place, but any place looks like a shithole if it is only 10% filled. I went to the Grey Cup there last year, and it was one of the best sporting atmospheres I had ever encountered, as the place was filled with over 65,000 people. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest undisputedjericho Report post Posted July 8, 2002 The core Yankees are homegrown: Jeter, Bernie, Soriano, Posada, Pettitte, Mendoza, Rivera. They've gotten several other stars of theirs via trades with other minor leaguers. Look at the deals with Mondesi and Weaver. (Example: They got Ventura for Justice, who they gave farm hand Ledee for) Several are stars with other teams such as Mike Lowell, Christian Guzman, Al Lieter, and Eric Milton among others. Of course they make the huge money deals like with Giambi and Mussina, but that's because they are willing to and are dedicated to winning. I'm sure other owners of small market teams could try the same thing instead of shipping off their talent once they become "too expensive." The problem with those teams is that the owner's don't care, they want the money in their pockets. Steinbrenner puts it back into the team. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest bob_barron Report post Posted July 8, 2002 Expos aint catching the Braves. The Decade of Destruction will continue. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest El Hijo Del Lunatic Report post Posted July 8, 2002 Human Fly SEZ: If the Expos get moved, who will be contracted? Is contraction out of the picture now? I don't think there is any way that the Expos can stay in Montreal, there has been too much damage to the fan base for it to be profitable. Let's stay away from contraction, if we can. I know a few teams don't draw so well, but you'd be surprised who's in the bottom ten in attendance ... Montreal, Tampa, Florida, Kansas City, DETROIT, Toronto, PHILLY, Minnesota, the White Sox, and the REDS, of all teams. DrTom SEZ: I think at least 4 teams, and maybe up to 6, could be safely contracted. The four definites: Florida, Tampa Bay, Kansas City, and Colorado. Not Colorado, Tom, for two reasons - first, they're relatively fiscally sound (I think they only lost a couple million dollars last year) and second, they draw 36,000 fans a game. Florida, Tampa, and KC don't draw anybody, though, so they're good to go. LUNATIC - Pimpin' ho's and clockin' a grip like my name was Dolemite. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Red Hot Thumbtack In The Eye Report post Posted July 8, 2002 Is it also true that they are in the market for El Duce? I just heard it in passing last night when they were talking on the other deal. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest bps "The Truth" 21 Report post Posted July 8, 2002 I read it on the bottom of CNN this morning. Don't know anymore about it though. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Some Guy Report post Posted July 8, 2002 Human Fly SEZ: If the Expos get moved, who will be contracted? Is contraction out of the picture now? I don't think there is any way that the Expos can stay in Montreal, there has been too much damage to the fan base for it to be profitable. Let's stay away from contraction, if we can. I know a few teams don't draw so well, but you'd be surprised who's in the bottom ten in attendance ... Montreal, Tampa, Florida, Kansas City, DETROIT, Toronto, PHILLY, Minnesota, the White Sox, and the REDS, of all teams. [ I'm not the leats bit suprised by those teams not drawing. Cincy's stadium is a contruction site, Detroit is going to lose 90+ games this year, Minnesota only draws the year after a WS win, the people in Montrreal watch Hockey, not Baseball, and the rest a under .500 or teatering on the brink. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest dreamer420 Report post Posted July 9, 2002 does mlb need to trim the fat of the league and get rid of some of the teams that are only making it look worse then? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Choken One Report post Posted July 9, 2002 I'm from Cincy and I'll explain the Whole low attendence thing. The stadium once held 57,000 people and now only holds Roughly 37,000 people thanks to stripping the entire outfield wall. The view isn't pretty right now...Cranes and a ugly black wall turns us off. Another reason is this...Tickets in Cincy were once the best buy $21 dollars for Front Six rows. Now it's $46 bucks. Parking used to be free and now it ranges from $6-20. However, Cincy won't be contracted because of it's current low attendence because it has to be on Selig's Top 10 teams NOT to contract. (Yanks, Mets, Braves, Brewers, Seattle, St.louis,S.F, L.A, Boston) What Teams should be contracted? Tampa and Florida. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Some Guy Report post Posted July 9, 2002 It looks like the owners won;t approve the Floyd deal because the Expos can't add salary and MLB runs the team now. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Choken One Report post Posted July 9, 2002 But do they still get Dempster? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest alkeiper Report post Posted July 9, 2002 I think Floyd's the dealbreaker. Dempster may just be a salary dump for the Marlins. As for attendance, you can't just look at today's numbers. There was a time when the Expos outdrew the Mets. The Blue Jays once topped 4 million in attendance. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest El Hijo Del Lunatic Report post Posted July 9, 2002 alkeiper SEZ: As for attendance, you can't just look at today's numbers. There was a time when the Expos outdrew the Mets. The Blue Jays once topped 4 million in attendance. Well, then what DO you look at? LUNATIC - Aw, fuck the sig Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest alkeiper Report post Posted July 10, 2002 Fair question. But I don't see any reason why poor attendance teams today can't become high attendance teams tomorrow with a winning team and proper marketing. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest treble charged Report post Posted July 10, 2002 Didn't Seattle and Cleveland used to be at the bottom of the league in attendance? Turn things around and attendance is likely to go up. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
