Abortion....

[Guest GenerationNever]

We can SAY we wouldn't stop her, but if it was really OUR son would we really? Personally, I wouldn't be able to let her do it. It may not be PC, but I wouldn't let someone take the life of my child. If she didn't want it then she could just let me raise it alone...and I would raise it alone if I had too.

[Guest Cancer Marney]

I'd like to see you give up cigarettes and alcohol for nine months as well. Oh, and have a couple of bowling balls surgically implanted under your stomach, keep them there for about half a year, and then have them removed without anaesthetic over a period of 24 hours.

[Guest RetroRob215]

We can SAY we wouldn't stop her, but if it was really OUR son would we really? Personally, I wouldn't be able to let her do it. It may not be PC, but I wouldn't let someone take the life of my child. If she didn't want it then she could just let me raise it alone...and I would raise it alone if I had too.

The thing is that father doesn't have to go through 9 months of hell and be in labor for 18+ hours. That is the reason why the women gets the final word when it comes to abortion. I'm sure there are plenty of women who don't want to get pregnant because of a career they worked years to achieve. Are you going to tell her that she must ditch her dreams because she is pregnant with your kid? You probably would, but she shouldn't be forced to listen to you. Unless a man can find a way to give birth, he will never have a say in abortion. I by the way, am Pro-Choice. We live in a free country, so people should have the right to chose.

[Guest NoCalMike]

Here is another twist on the scenario: a lot of the times the guy will tell the woman, If you have this baby I will have nothing to do with you or the baby. Now what if the woman wanted an abortion and the guy wanted to have the kid, and the female said, ummmm if I have this kid, I will have nothing to do with you or this kid? Ok I guess this was pointless, but I just woke up, and was just pondering how many times the situation was reversed and the Man WANTED the kid and the female wanted an abortion. It would be tough for the girl too, because she has to think long and hard, if she goes through 9 months of hell, will the guy really want to make the commitment, or is he just saying that just to ease short term stress.......

[Guest GenerationNever]

I'd like to see you give up cigarettes and alcohol for nine months as well. Oh, and have a couple of bowling balls surgically implanted under your stomach, keep them there for about half a year, and then have them removed without anaesthetic over a period of 24 hours.

I don't smoke, and I'm not twenty-one(yet). I realize you are trying to tell me through those visuals how much torture it is, but realistically, there are a lot things worse. I was mostly saying if I got a girl pregnant, and she didn't want anything to do with it than I would offer to raise it by myself. I mean, if I let my child die than I would go through mental Hell EVERY single night.

 

If those bowling balls surgically implanted would become my child: sign me the fuck up.

[Guest GenerationNever]

Here is another twist on the scenario:  a lot of the times the guy will tell the woman, If you have this baby I will have nothing to do with you or the baby.  Now what if the woman wanted an abortion and the guy wanted to have the kid, and the female said, ummmm if I have this kid, I will have nothing to do with you or this kid?  Ok I guess this was pointless, but I just woke up, and was just pondering how many times the situation was reversed and the Man WANTED the kid and the female wanted an abortion.  It would be tough for the girl too, because she has to think long and hard, if she goes through 9 months of hell, will the guy really want to make the commitment, or is he just saying that just to ease short term stress.......

It's a double standard. Of COURSE the male is ALWAYS the bad guy with abortions or non abortions. If she doesn't want to have anything to do with the kid but still wants to have it, I'd raise it by myself. I would NEVER abandon my son or daughter, because they would be part of ME. Not saying it would be easy, because we all know it wouldn't, but I'm not going to let something I helped create down.

[Guest Cancer Marney]

I mean, if I let my child die than I would go through mental Hell EVERY single night.

So, essentially, you're against abortion for your own peace of mind. I suppose that's consistent, if contemptible.

[Guest GenerationNever]

So, essentially, you're against abortion for your own peace of mind. I suppose that's consistent, if contemptible.

Of course I don't want to feel bad, but that's not the only reason, just one of them. Most people feel guilt from empathy, understanding what the victim is going through. I'm all for women choosing, but I'm also up for the unborn child. But, in reality, you don't REALLY know your stance on abortion until the situation happens to you i.e. your a guy and your partner is pregnant or you're a woman and you're pregnant.

 

I feel we would all almost have differant feelings if faced with the situation. I've never been one to write off abortion by saying "fetuses aren't alive" because I don't like to patronize myself. I'm not going to tell myself something for peace of mind. I DO, howver, think we will find an alternative to abortion in the future, but until then the debate stands. But just because you are a male doesn't mean your opinions should not count.

 

Thing is, if I was a woman, I seriously don't think I could do it. After all, not all women are Pro-Choice, which is the streotype. Unfourtunetly, men haven't been kind to women since the beginning of time, thus, male opinions aren't trusted. I'm not Christian, I'm simply a Taoist, so my religious views are of no consequence to me. I can't stop putting myself in the baby's shoes when I think of this, my mind won't let me.

 

Differant stances on abortion MUST come from differant situations. Such as follows.

 

1) Unwanted pregnancy. Perhaps the main category for abortions. Whether the female doesn't want her parents to find out or is being pressured to get rid of it by her partner, or many other reasons. I don't think pregnancy should be used as a form of "birth control" in this way. For instance if you willingly had sex, without protection, you should except your responsibility.

 

2) Rape. A horrible crime against women. Not lots of abortions happen because of rape, but the women must consider it more than others. Think about it, taken advantage of, no power, sometimes with violence done about you, no guy sticking around, fear, the feeling that part of him is still inside you. It must be very scary for the mother. She may even start to emulate the child with the rapist, but I don't think she should.

 

Sure, his sperm had a hand in creating the baby, but the child itself is innocent. Rape is a horrible crime, but I don't see why a innocent should be punished because of this.

 

3) Health. Giving birth may cause a woman to die. The ONLY time I personally support abortion. I don't think anyone should give up their life for another. However, the mother should choose in this situation.

 

Until we find a better way there will always be arguments, debates, insults, and even violence when child abortion is brought up. I believe to get through this controversial subject humans should listen to the ideas of others and try to consider what is best for everyone.

[Guest Cancer Marney]

I don't see why a innocent should be punished because of this.

And of what is the raped woman guilty?

[Guest GenerationNever]

And of what is the raped woman guilty?

She isn't. But neither is the child.

[Guest EricMM]

I would just like to say that isn't it illegal for a woman to be fired or penalized from her job in any way related to pregnancy? I thought there was a law securing her right to return with the same pay. So if the father is willing to raise the child alone (which wouldn't be ideal but what is) then it would be nicer (as if that meant anything perhaps) if the woman birthed the baby and gave it up like adoption.

 

I think there should be a lot more support in today's society for mothers than there is currently, especially single mothers and victems of rape etc. I don't know if it would lower the number of abortions (Which I think is a number (the number of abortion situations in general) we would all like to see come down). But if a mother could raise the child with support and also get an education and a decent job, that would be better. I'd take a tax hike for that. Or lower defense spending... Because supporting single mothers not only supports the woman but the child as well and that's very important.

[Guest RetroRob215]

I would just like to say that isn't it illegal for a woman to be fired or penalized from her job in any way related to pregnancy? I thought there was a law securing her right to return with the same pay. So if the father is willing to raise the child alone (which wouldn't be ideal but what is) then it would be nicer (as if that meant anything perhaps) if the woman birthed the baby and gave it up like adoption.

Yes there are laws, but those laws simply state that a pregnant women must have her spot back at work when she returns. An example of how this law wouldn't help is if the women is in the medical feild. Let's say she becomes a doctor, now she has to complete her residency, which could be as long as 5 years. If she gets pregnant during these 5 years, she just fell 9 months to a year behind schedule. That translates to her making less money and working more hours for another year. The law doesn't help in that situation. Sure she still has her job, but her career advancement would have been greatly slowed down.

[Guest Mr. Slim Citrus]

I wouldn't want to see abortion be made illegal across the board, because in situations such rape or incest, the woman (or girl) should not be held responsible for the act, or forced to carry the child to term.

 

However, when it comes to consenting adults, two people who feel that they are mature enough to make the conscious decision to have sex, but aren't mature enough to accept the consequences of their actions, i think that it should be outlawed. In my opinion, it should absolutely be illegal to use abortions as a substitute for birth control.