Abortion....

[Guest NoCalMike]

I am pro-choice. I think this issue is more for the middle - poor class to debate because it is obvious that for the rich, it won't matter if it is legal or not since they can just fly their daughters out to wherever it is legal. Also, did you hear about Bob Barr one of the rightest of the right-wingers who is totally against abortion, yet he got his mistress pregnant and gave her money and sent her off to the abortion clinic? So I guess the moral of the story is, abortion is wrong except in his situation.

 

What it all boils down to, I guess, it is really a personal decision and no one should be trying to make someone elses decision for them, but as long as it is LEGAL, it should be kept safe.

[Guest Spicy McHaggis]

...I guess, it is really a personal decision and no one should be trying to make someone elses decision for them...

So... if I personally decided to kill you, no one should tell me not to?

[Guest LesnarLunatic]

If somebody wants to do it, then nothing in the law should prohibit them from doing it within the first few months.

 

If they're getting a partial-birth abortion for any other reasons but rape, incest and health of the mother, then they should be told that they had 7 months to do it before and they didn't do it. If the person was being lazy, then tough for them.

 

I personally feel that if you get yourself pregnant knowingly having sex without a condom, you should be responsible if you get pregnant. But, I don't feel Abortion should be banned.

 

Spicy.. there's a difference between 3 months and 20 years when it comes to this sort of thing.

[Guest chirs3]

Pro-choice am I. While I disagree with people who use it as a form of birth control, you know, "Whoops, I didn't mean to get pregnant. Let's abort the sucker", while I disagree with them, I don't think it should be against the law to let them.

 

And there are some instances when I think it's quite necessary - rape of a highschool student, for example.

[Guest Midnight Express83]

I am pro choice. But I have my limits. The "oops" should not be allowed, but not under law, under morals. I do think that if someone is raped, incest, combo of both(ie: TX, KY, WV, AL, ect. ect.), health, or what the fuck the woman wants.

 

It is called Pro Choice, so they can choose. I think sometimes its the wrong choice, but still a choice. Until men can have kids, they really can't say its right or wrong and have a leg to stand on.

[Guest phoenixrising]

I've never really taken a stance on abortion.

 

I don't think women should just be able to kill their baby whenever they feel like it. And I really don't think abortion should be used as "the last resort" just because two people decided to have unprotected sex and don't want to deal with the consequences.

 

However...

 

Abortion is necessary in situations that have been mentioned already in this thread (rape and incest especially - no baby should ever be born from those types of union). I think most people would agree to legalizing abortion if it was used for those necessary situations and not the "last resort" or "because I decided it wasn't a good idea" situations.

[Guest dreamer420]

it's the mother's choice and that's all i have to say.

[Guest the 1inch punch]

it's the mother's choice and that's all i have to say.

Ditto

[Guest Rob Edwards]

I'm pro choice because it means less unwanted (and therefore possibly unloved) babies being born into bad environments

[Guest hardyz1]

Come on, where's the pro lifers? Mike? Anybody? Nothing like a good ol' heated abortion debate.

[Guest GenerationNever]

I'm Pro-Life. I don't think a baby should be punished for how it came to be. It's not the child's fault it was sired by a rapist or some other calamity. I also think it's kind of sexist for a mother to be the one with the finally decision if she's in a commited relationship; fathers should have a choice on whether or not their sons or daughters die. The ONLY time abortion should happen, IMO, is in the case of the women's health, i.e. giving birth may kill her.

[Guest chirs3]

I'm Pro-Life. I don't think a baby should be punished for how it came to be. It's not the child's fault it was sired by a rapist or some other calamity. I also think it's kind of sexist for a mother to be the one with the finally decision if she's in a commited relationship; fathers should have a choice on whether or not their sons or daughters die. The ONLY time abortion should happen, IMO, is in the case of the women's health, i.e. giving birth may kill her.

 

But this begs the unanswerable question, is a fetus the same thing as a baby, or a person? I don't think aborting a fetus is "punishment", because I don't consider an unborn fetus a human being.

 

I agree, fathers should be a part of the decision, but not legally. I mean, the dad should have a loooong discussion with the mother about what is best for EVERYONE, not just her or just the child... but the dad should NOT have to give consent along with the mother to abort.

 

I think so, anywho.

[Guest Shaved Bear]

I think that it is wrong, but there are several things that ought to be considered.

First is that there ARE instances such as rape and incest when the woman does not even want to have sex, and should not be forced into carrying out a responsibility, because if the woman needs an abortion at this point than it really never was here fault to begin with.

 

Second thing is that abortions should be made illegal past the stage in baby development where they develop the nervous system. Because before this the baby would not feel any pain in dying

 

Abortion is a tool that we have that should not be used just as a means of birth control, but rather as an emergency escape for people that really need this. This goes back to the old saying "If you can't do the time, don't do the crime", and if no "crime" was committed (rape and incest) then this should be the only time that an abortion should be considered

[Guest GenerationNever]

I do consider fetuses to be human, even if they can't feel pain. I wouldn't want to die even if it was painless. I don't think anyone really *likes* abortion(as in having to terminate their offspring)it's just something in our society. It would be so much easier if we were all still swinging from trees and eating bananas.

[Guest Some Guy]

I dislike the idea of abortion but I am pro-choice. I don't think that a child should brought into a situation where the mother is a drug addict or neglectful or abusive. I disagree with partial birth abortions except when teh mother's life is in jeopardy. They are murder, when only the child's head remains in the mother then they are born as far as I'm concerned.

[Guest GenerationNever]

If the mother is unfit or abusive than the baby could always be adopted. Hell, I'd still want to be alive even if my mother was a crack whore.

[Guest Some Guy]

Yes but is their really a large adoption market for crack babies? I don't think so.

[Guest chirs3]

Hell, I'd still want to be alive even if my mother was a crack whore.

 

You'd want to be alive, yes.

 

But a fetus probably doesn't have any idea or concept of being alive. My best guess is, since it's a still growing organism in the womb with minimal, if any, conscious activity, it would be completely indifferent to living or not living.

 

Sorry to sound smarmy, I'm really not trying to be, but if I walked up to a fetus and said "Do you want to be aborted? Do you want to be born?" I wouldn't get a "YES! I want to liiiiive!" answer, nor would I get a "Kill me."

[Guest The Metal Maniac]

You could ask a person in a coma the same question. Because they don't have the ability to respond, does that mean we should abort them too?

[Guest chirs3]

That's different. A person in a coma knows what it is to live, to be alive. An unborn child has no concept of life.

[Guest The Metal Maniac]

What about a 10-year old?

 

Obviously, at that age, said person is unable to drive. As such, they have no idea what driving is like.

 

Should they be dis-allowed the priviledge of driving because they've never done it before?

 

Just because someone doesn't already know what something is, is no reason to deprive them of it.

[Guest SupaTaft]

A woman's body is her own fucking business.

[Guest The Metal Maniac]

But it's not the woman's body that's being aborted. It's her baby's.

[Guest chirs3]

What about a 10-year old?

 

Obviously, at that age, said person is unable to drive. As such, they have no idea what driving is like.

 

Should they be dis-allowed the priviledge of driving because they've never done it before?

 

Just because someone doesn't already know what something is, is no reason to deprive them of it.

 

A 10 year old boy has seen cars on TV since the day he came home from the hospital. He's seen car chases, car crashes, and most likely has watched his parents drive. He probably does have some idea of what it's like.

 

And yes, a 10 year old should be disallowed the privellege of driving. Because he's 10.

[Guest The Metal Maniac]

Of course, in keeping with the comparison I was making, I did mean "should he be dis-allowed the priviledge once he turns 16, because he's 10 now." Shoulda made it clearer. Sorry.

 

And I will make the obvious comment: There's a difference between knowing about something, and doing something.

[Guest EricMM]

I hope this thread stays as a poll and nothing else. I've had too many arguments about abortion to think that it is something that will ever change in people's minds.

 

It's like... cemented in people's heads, pro choice, or pro life.

 

I'm personally pro choice, but I think it's a sad terrible painful devastating horrible traumatic road to go down.

 

Adoption is much more preferable but... some people don't want to come to term or go through birth, but I have heard abortions are terrible experiances.

[Guest NoCalMike]

Damn, an abortion debate that hasn't resulted in personal attacks. Way to go guys.....Quality discussion here~!

[Guest LesnarLunatic]

NoCalMike:

 

and I was just about to all you a nazi who kills babies and eats them too...

 

justkidding..

[Guest GenerationNever]

I never got the whole "it's her body." True, she is carrying the baby, but what about the baby's body? EVERYTHING that is living has the instinct to try and remain alive. Babies, even if they aren't able to understand, should have the SAME rights as the mother. Newborn babies don't understand they are alive either, but we shouldn't terminate them.

[Guest Midnight Express83]

Here is the thing. We are a bunch of men talking about something that none of us really have a full say on. If its our child, we can discuss but that is about it. We can't personally stop her from doing what she wants to do.

 

Again, I will state my full opinion. Until men can go on the rag and have kids, we really can't say if we are right or wrong fully and have a leg to stand on.