The Official Kevin Nash Thread

[Guest chirs3]

Well, I stole it from a Jay-Z song, not your database of slurs.

 

And we all know that a rapper would never use a racial slur.

[Guest TheSmarkzone]

I don't listen to ©rap or any of that hip-hop shit unless I am forced to, so I wouldn't know. Sorry if I ain't down wit the 4-1-1 like ya'll, sucka.

[Guest bob_barron]

You mean-

 

SUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUCKA

[Guest Smell the ratings!!!]

maybe this is just me, but in the last few weeks, there have been an awful lot of people jumping on the SmartMark board to loudly proclaim that they are not, in fact, smart marks.

 

found it curious.

[Guest Smell the ratings!!!]

On a side note, how did this suddenly morph into the "Racism in America" thread?

[Guest TheSmarkzone]

I find it cool.

 

You can be somewhat smart to the business as an outsider, but never 100% smart.

 

The biggest joke of all are the "smarks" who buy into all of the political turmoil and B.S. that they read about in the Wrestling Observer.

 

Do any of us REALLY know how oppressive the Clique was? Maybe Shane Douglas and Lex Luger were just plain jealous and bitter. Ever think of that? It's real easy to start a rumor, you know.

 

Remember when we were in elementary school or junior high school, or even high school? Remember how somebody would start a vicious rumor about a kid or a clique of kids, and it would snowball? And by the end of the day, everybody bought it hook, line, and sinker? All of us "smart marks" may be falling for the same juvenile behavior every time that we buy into an Internet or dirtsheet rumor.

 

It's really pathetic.

[Guest RavishingRickRudo]

Chris Benoit could have been pushed as a monster face on his arrival in the Wwf, he could have had a video montage profiling his entire career in NA and the last few months of his 2001 year where he completely owned the Wwf, even working a month with a fucked up neck. A month that included a cage match and IMO the MOTY in his bout with Austin. But the Wwf doesn't give him any of that plus they turn him heel in his home town. Not to mention he was getting pretty fucking over before he got injured.

 

Then onto his first match back, a fucking tag match with the dudleys where he loses. The crowd WANTED to cheer for him but had no real reason to. Oh yeah, he also comes back and doesn't miss a fucking step unlike SOMEONE who got the biggest fucking hype-job on a return and booked himself in the worst program leading up to a WM main event EVER, but of course, such things like that never gets rewarded in the Wwf. It's about who ya know, right Nash?

 

It is funny. I don't hate nash, I can't hate nash, I have often said that Nash is a guilty pleasure of mine, but he talks all this trash and pretends to be the big man on campus in the Wwf and the first thing he does in the ring upon his return is fall to the ground and start crying.

 

It's not about someone 'we like' or 'we don't like' getting injured. It's about someone who deserves not to be injured, or someone who deserves that top spot but gets knocked down on their way up. It's about right and wrong. And while Nash getting injured wasn't right, it sure as hell wasn't wrong because we all know he would have stunk it up in the ring as he always had. Now all he will be doing is the only thing he would have done well anyways injured or not, and that is talk. So save your boo hoos for someone who doesn't rest on the ropes, or someone who didn't book WCW into the ground, or someone who could actually benefit from the tv time.

[Guest bsrizpac]

I find it cool.

 

You can be somewhat smart to the business as an outsider, but never 100% smart.

 

The biggest joke of all are the "smarks" who buy into all of the political turmoil and B.S. that they read about in the Wrestling Observer.

 

Do any of us REALLY know how oppressive the Clique was? Maybe Shane Douglas and Lex Luger were just plain jealous and bitter. Ever think of that? It's real easy to start a rumor, you know.

 

Remember when we were in elementary school or junior high school, or even high school? Remember how somebody would start a vicious rumor about a kid or a clique of kids, and it would snowball? And by the end of the day, everybody bought it hook, line, and sinker? All of us "smart marks" may be falling for the same juvenile behavior every time that we buy into an Internet or dirtsheet rumor.

 

It's really pathetic.

Smarkzone is 100 percent correct. Just because Scott Keith says it, doesn't mean I'm buying it.

[Guest bob_barron]

What do you call Shane Douglas not being able to win the title from HBK but have it given to him and then have to job it the next match to Razor Ramon?

 

Nope Kliq had no influence at all

[Guest Smell the ratings!!!]

When did anyone say they give a rat's ass about the observer or scott keith. I gave Nash the honorary Worst Wrestler Ever award all by myself, thank you.

 

ps: and in that same vein, what the hell is the observer? a column or something?

[Guest TheSmarkzone]

What do you call Shane Douglas not being able to win the title from HBK but have it given to him and then have to job it the next match to Razor Ramon?

 

I call it Shane Douglas being one of the most overrated wrestlers on the planet, having a lame-ass gimmick, and not being able to get over for his life unless he is allowed to say "Fuck" every other word in his promos.

 

I don't think the Clique was necessarily manipulative. Maybe they just cared more than everybody else. If they went to Vince with their ideas while the other guys were busy drinking or working out or playing cards, who do you think Vince is going to listen to?

[Guest AlwaysPissedOff]

The Observer = a wrestling dirtsheet written by Dave Meltzer.

[Guest bob_barron]

I don't like Shane either but he still got shafted by the Kliq.

[Guest TheSmarkzone]

So HE says. Maybe he did, maybe he didn't.

[Guest thebigjig]

When did anyone say they give a rat's ass about the observer or scott keith. I gave Nash the honorary Worst Wrestler Ever award all by myself, thank you.

 

ps: and in that same vein, what the hell is the observer? a column or something?

I sense that you are being sarcastic when you ask what the observer is, because if you don't really know what Dave Meltzer's Wrestling Observer Newsletter is, then you have no right what so ever to even call anyone the greatest or worst wrestler

 

By the way, Kevin Nash is far FAR from the worst wrestler ever. I think that pretty much goes to El Gigante

[Guest bob_barron]

He did- HBK gave up the title rather than job to him and then he lost to Razor Ramon.

 

HBK and Raz- both members of Kliq.

Shane- got shafted.

[Guest Human Fly]

I call it Shane Douglas being one of the most overrated wrestlers on the planet, having a lame-ass gimmick, and not being able to get over for his life unless he is allowed to say "Fuck" every other word in his promos

 

I like Shane, and don't think he ever really got a good gimmick to get over. But, he was doing a decent job of it in WCW when it went under. That being said I can't help but wonder if a lot of Shane's problems were brought on by himself. I wouldn't be surprised if the Clique and Flair held him down, but when he went around shooting on them every chance he got I don't believe it did him any favors. In the ECW fan thread someone makes the point about how Luger didn't whine about that stuff, and now he is sitting at home financially secure and Douglas is still working indys.

[Guest bsrizpac]

When did anyone say they give a rat's ass about the observer or scott keith. I gave Nash the honorary Worst Wrestler Ever award all by myself, thank you.

 

ps: and in that same vein, what the hell is the observer? a column or something?

I sense that you are being sarcastic when you ask what the observer is, because if you don't really know what Dave Meltzer's Wrestling Observer Newsletter is, then you have no right what so ever to even call anyone the greatest or worst wrestler

 

By the way, Kevin Nash is far FAR from the worst wrestler ever. I think that pretty much goes to El Gigante

I agree. Gigante or Jackie Gayda

[Guest TheSmarkzone]

That's a nice theory, but that's all it is...a theory. Were you there? No.

 

Maybe Shawn couldn't wrestle due to his concussion??

 

And how did they "shaft" Shane if Shane didn't deserve the I.C. title in the first place? Hmm?

[Guest Nezbyte]

"because if you don't really know what Dave Meltzer's Wrestling Observer Newsletter is, then you have no right what so ever to even call anyone the greatest or worst wrestler"

 

What right does Meltzer have to call anyone shit? It's all personal opinion.

[Guest Choken One]

Exactly. Just because Meltzer is even bigger dork then us...does not make him King.

[Guest thebigjig]

maybe this is just me, but in the last few weeks, there have been an awful lot of people jumping on the SmartMark board to loudly proclaim that they are not, in fact, smart marks.

 

found it curious.

I'm sure you're referring to me in that "group" of smark bashers...

 

I am a smart mark. I'm not the average backstage politics claimer, HHH hater, I know everything because I read the sheets, I'm going to hate this wrestler's guts because I've heard rumors on the internet that he holds everyone down, type of smart mark.

 

I'm a smart mark that knows more about the history of wrestling and a limited degree of what goes on behind the scenes than the average fan and that's that and nothing more. I can't stand "smarks" who write expert commentary when in reality, and I've said this before, they know shit when it comes down to it.

 

Flame if you will. My favorite pet name is "cunt" or the slightly less offensive "troll"

[Guest RicFlairGlory]

Cunt Rag....

[Guest alfdogg]

Alright...cunt

[Guest thebigjig]

"because if you don't really know what Dave Meltzer's Wrestling Observer Newsletter is, then you have no right what so ever to even call anyone the greatest or worst wrestler"

 

What right does Meltzer have to call anyone shit? It's all personal opinion.

No you misunderstood.

 

What I said was that if you have never heard of the Wrestling Observer Newsletter, then you can't truly even refer to yourself as a true smart mark. It's like someone coming on here claiming Chris Benoit is the greatest wrestler of all time but has never heard of the name "Ric Flair." Not that I'm comparing Meltzer to Flair lol... I'm just saying that if you've never heard of the observer at least once, then how can you claim to be an "internet" fan?

[Guest thebigjig]

Alright...cunt

lol I was hoping you would pop up and call me that again

[Guest Nezbyte]

"because if you don't really know what Dave Meltzer's Wrestling Observer Newsletter is, then you have no right what so ever to even call anyone the greatest or worst wrestler"

 

What right does Meltzer have to call anyone shit? It's all personal opinion.

No you misunderstood.

 

What I said was that if you have never heard of the Wrestling Observer Newsletter, then you can't truly even refer to yourself as a true smart mark. It's like someone coming on here claiming Chris Benoit is the greatest wrestler of all time but has never heard of the name "Ric Flair." Not that I'm comparing Meltzer to Flair lol... I'm just saying that if you've never heard of the observer at least once, then how can you claim to be an "internet" fan?

An internet fan is a fan ... on the internet.

 

I could give a FUCK what Meltz or Keith or Scottsman or CRZ says; fuck they, fuck them up their silly asses. I love pro wrestling and hope to one day partake in the sport. They basterdize everything, they make internet marks look like total SHIT. Well, them and people like `Angle is Wrestling` and `Anglesault`.

[Guest bob_barron]

They have their opinions, you have yours

[Guest thebigjig]

"because if you don't really know what Dave Meltzer's Wrestling Observer Newsletter is, then you have no right what so ever to even call anyone the greatest or worst wrestler"

 

What right does Meltzer have to call anyone shit? It's all personal opinion.

No you misunderstood.

 

What I said was that if you have never heard of the Wrestling Observer Newsletter, then you can't truly even refer to yourself as a true smart mark. It's like someone coming on here claiming Chris Benoit is the greatest wrestler of all time but has never heard of the name "Ric Flair." Not that I'm comparing Meltzer to Flair lol... I'm just saying that if you've never heard of the observer at least once, then how can you claim to be an "internet" fan?

An internet fan is a fan ... on the internet.

 

I could give a FUCK what Meltz or Keith or Scottsman or CRZ says; fuck they, fuck them up their silly asses. I love pro wrestling and hope to one day partake in the sport. They basterdize everything, they make internet marks look like total SHIT. Well, them and people like `Angle is Wrestling` and `Anglesault`.

I still don't think you're getting my point

 

I'm not saying you should agree with Meltzer... the person I was replying to asked "what is the observer?" after giving his opinion on the worst wrestler of all time, whom he said was Kevin Nash. My response is that, if you don't know what the Observer is or who David Meltzer is, then quite frankly, you shouldn't have such a grandoise opinion considering the fact that the Observer is pretty much where all internet news sights get their inside info. It's a fact that every "insider" should know. To use an extremely exaggerated example to get my point across, and I know this sounds stupid, but compare it loosely to someone knowing who George Washington was, but never having heard of the Declaration of Independance

 

But yeah I agree with you about Anglesault... he does tend to give some internet fans a bad name, although I've read some intelligent things from him recently that's caused me to believe that he's not as stupid as I originally thought.

[Guest RavishingRickRudo]

I hate it when people dismiss internet smarks because their comments are overly negative, rather than being wrong, or misinformed. Or how smarks aren't "real fans" because they actually question and critique and analyze things, rather than being complacent.

 

HHH hasn't been holding down Jericho? Look at Jericho before his feud with HHH in 2000. He was in the top card, 1 or 2 spots away from the ME. The PPV directly after he was like 5 spots away and never gained any ground until HHH got injured a year later. Not to mention the pitiful excuse of a title feud that led up to WM. It's funny how Jericho came out of that looking the worst, eh? He wasn't even on the next fuckin PPV.

 

Jesus Christ, I love Kliq rhetoric, Nash buried WCW because he cared so much about it. HHH is a writer and dates the bosses daughter because he cares about it so much and he jobs to guys like dvon, test, and brooklyn brawler and Jericho because he wants to put them over.. meanwhile their wins are forgotten about the next week because of the caring and their place remains the same. The kliq came together through their love of wrestling. HBK lost his smile because he stopped caring. Hall became a drunk because he cared so much and it pained him to see WCW in the state it was so he turned to the bottle. Nash cared so much that he did shoots on WCW television (and don't tell me those 'we want hall' promos weren't shoots, considering that NOTHING came of them), and how HBK cared so much about losing the title to Austin that Taker had to threaten him to do what's right for business... Ahem. Sorry, that’s something I heard from Meltzer. Oh yeah, and Taker too, so it shouldn’t be considered as reliable.

 

These are all rumours and must be dismissed and forgotten about because they are on the internet, and if they are on the internet they must be wrong, misinformed, and the product of 15 year old pimply faced virgins who like to watch Wild Pegusus vs. Black Tiger because it's the cool~! thing to do rather than some 'entertaining' stall fest with guys named 'big sexxxy' and therefore are not objective and are clouded by bias. Because any one who has good taste must be wrong

 

So since we weren't "there" for all the rumoured events we can't talk about any of them, just like how we weren't at WWII, or how we weren't at Vietnam, so we have no right to comment about those events either. I agree that you should take everything rumour with a grain of salt, hell, I hardly ever go to newsboards so that doesn’t really matter.

 

Here is a good idea, when a Smark says something that you think is wrong, THEN FUCKING PROVE HIM WRONG rather than going on diatribes about how the Internet is so negative and how you are thinking about leaving it and how Jericho was right. It's a DISCUSSION board for christ’s sake, DISCUSS. Don’t go on bitching all the time about how people bitch all the time.