The Official Kevin Nash Thread

[Guest TheSmarkzone]

First, you have your "good" smart fans, like thebigjig or myself.

 

- Enjoys the product.

- Respects the business and the wrestlers.

- Doesn't buy into all of the Internet and dirtsheet rumors.

- Is smart to some of the inner workings of the business, but also keeps in mind that he only knows what they allow him to know.

 

Then, you have your "bad" smart fans, like Scott Keith.

 

- Seems to only enjoy the product when it goes exactly his way (never).

- Seems to only watch wrestling to critique it.

- Marks out for (typically) young, small, technical workers that have not yet achieve mega-stardom and hates (typically) older, bigger, more charismatic mega-stars that he perceives as the ones who are stealing the spotlight from his "vanilla midgets".

- Often ditches his favorite wrestlers when they finally do reach the main event level, and goes in search of another under-pushed wrestler to lust over and complain about.

- Reads into Internet and dirtsheet rumors way, way too much. This is usually easy to spot: extreme paranoia that his favorite wrestlers are being held down due to backstage politics.

- Is smart to some of the inner workings of the business, but acts like he's King Shit and he sits in the Gorilla position at every show.

 

Up until 2002, this was pretty much it. But in 2002, something went horribly, horribly wrong. The Internet started to produce MUTATED versions of the "bad" smart fans. These mutated smart fans were so bad, that instead of only latching onto the vanilla midgets as a whole and hating the big, charismatic guys with a passion, they latched onto a SINGLE vanilla midget and despised EVERYBODY else!

 

So far, Anglesault and Angle is Wrestling are the only documented cases of this horrifying mutation, but there may be others out there.

 

WARNING: If you come across any fans who seem to have an unhealthy fetish for Kurt Angle that borders on homo-erotic lust, make sure that you get them help IMMEDIATELY. They may be a mutated smart mark.

[Guest thebigjig]

Yeah but anyway, back to Nash, some more interesting news from 1bob- Kevin Nash is flying to Alabama to meet with Dr. James Andrews in the morning to get an MRI on his quad muscle. Dr. Andrews will inform Nash about what the process will be to heal the injured quad.

 

- The downside of this whole injury is that Nash didn't even know he was wrestling tonight till he arrived at the building. He was scheduled to return this weekend at upcoming house shows and then return to Raw next week. Reports say Nash didn't even have his ring gear with him, as it had to be shipped to him earlier in the day.

[Guest bsrizpac]

First, you have your "good" smart fans, like thebigjig or myself.

 

- Enjoys the product.

- Respects the business and the wrestlers.

- Doesn't buy into all of the Internet and dirtsheet rumors.

- Is smart to some of the inner workings of the business, but also keeps in mind that he only knows what they allow him to know.

 

Then, you have your "bad" smart fans, like Scott Keith.

 

- Seems to only enjoy the product when it goes exactly his way (never).

- Seems to only watch wrestling to critique it.

- Marks out for (typically) young, small, technical workers that have not yet achieve mega-stardom and hates (typically) older, bigger, more charismatic mega-stars that he perceives as the ones who are stealing the spotlight from his "vanilla midgets".

- Often ditches his favorite wrestlers when they finally do reach the main event level, and goes in search of another under-pushed wrestler to lust over and complain about.

- Reads into Internet and dirtsheet rumors way, way too much. This is usually easy to spot: extreme paranoia that his favorite wrestlers are being held down due to backstage politics.

- Is smart to some of the inner workings of the business, but acts like he's King Shit and he sits in the Gorilla position at every show.

 

Up until 2002, this was pretty much it. But in 2002, something went horribly, horribly wrong. The Internet started to produce MUTATED versions of the "bad" smart fans. These mutated smart fans were so bad, that instead of only latching onto the vanilla midgets as a whole and hating the big, charismatic guys with a passion, they latched onto a SINGLE vanilla midget and despised EVERYBODY else!

 

So far, Anglesault and Angle is Wrestling are the only documented cases of this horrifying mutation, but there may be others out there.

 

WARNING: If you come across any fans who seem to have an unhealthy fetish for Kurt Angle that borders on homo-erotic lust, make sure that you get them help IMMEDIATELY. They may be a mutated smart mark.

Lol- Great commentary. Archive it.

 

I used to enjoy Scott Keith but generally now consider him the anti-christ

[Guest bob_barron]

You consider some dude who writes for the internet the anti-christ??

 

sad

[Guest thebigjig]

First, you have your "good" smart fans, like thebigjig or myself.

 

- Enjoys the product.

- Respects the business and the wrestlers.

- Doesn't buy into all of the Internet and dirtsheet rumors.

- Is smart to some of the inner workings of the business, but also keeps in mind that he only knows what they allow him to know.

 

Then, you have your "bad" smart fans, like Scott Keith.

 

- Seems to only enjoy the product when it goes exactly his way (never).

- Seems to only watch wrestling to critique it.

- Marks out for (typically) young, small, technical workers that have not yet achieve mega-stardom and hates (typically) older, bigger, more charismatic mega-stars that he perceives as the ones who are stealing the spotlight from his "vanilla midgets".

- Often ditches his favorite wrestlers when they finally do reach the main event level, and goes in search of another under-pushed wrestler to lust over and complain about.

- Reads into Internet and dirtsheet rumors way, way too much. This is usually easy to spot: extreme paranoia that his favorite wrestlers are being held down due to backstage politics.

- Is smart to some of the inner workings of the business, but acts like he's King Shit and he sits in the Gorilla position at every show.

 

Up until 2002, this was pretty much it. But in 2002, something went horribly, horribly wrong. The Internet started to produce MUTATED versions of the "bad" smart fans. These mutated smart fans were so bad, that instead of only latching onto the vanilla midgets as a whole and hating the big, charismatic guys with a passion, they latched onto a SINGLE vanilla midget and despised EVERYBODY else!

 

So far, Anglesault and Angle is Wrestling are the only documented cases of this horrifying mutation, but there may be others out there.

 

WARNING: If you come across any fans who seem to have an unhealthy fetish for Kurt Angle that borders on homo-erotic lust, make sure that you get them help IMMEDIATELY. They may be a mutated smart mark.

Couldn't have said it better myself... although, I must admit, I am a mark for "vanilla midgets"

[Guest thebigjig]

You consider some dude who writes for the internet the anti-christ??

 

sad

I guess you don't understand the point of sarcasm or absurd humor. Ever watch Monty Python or SNL? You should think about it

[Guest bsrizpac]

You consider some dude who writes for the internet the anti-christ??

 

sad

It's an expression moron.

 

Here: I find his work to be annoying.

 

Better?

[Guest AlwaysPissedOff]

Personally, I think grouping yourself into a certain type of fanbase online is hilariously funny.

 

What if you have one small gripe about the product, ie. all the Rock pimping on RAW, does that mean you fall from the "good" side of the Force and become EVIL~!?

[Guest bob_barron]

I saw 8 episodes of SNL live last year and have met every cast member over the last two yrs so I yea I've seen it.

 

Thank you for making it better bsrizpac

[Guest TheSmarkzone]

Is it just me, or have things gotten really, really tense on this board ever since Nash got hurt?

[Guest bsrizpac]

Is it just me, or have things gotten really, really tense on this board ever since Nash got hurt?

Maybe some people feel bad about it.

[Guest thebigjig]

I saw 8 episodes of SNL live last year and have met every cast member over the last two yrs so I yea I've seen it.

 

Thank you for making it better bsrizpac

Then I'm surprised that you didn't pick up on the sarcasm... oh well, it's late

[Guest gwf0704]

Nash isn't exactly what I would call a Wrestler.

I'm curious but what would you call a wrestler? Is it someone who can execute a dropkick? Is it someone who is able to apply suplexes, boston crabs and spinning toeholds? Armbars? Punches and kicks? Well, guess what, all of that is wrestling. Pro wrestling is actually a combination of styles used by different characters that fit a wrestlers current persona. For instance, Mr Perfect was a technical wrestler but would brawl and punch on occassion. Kurt Angle uses wrestling moves but has been known to pull tights, hit with chairs and pull hair. Ken Shamrock is a shoot fighter who can wrestle but is better suited to his psycho character. Kevin Nash is a power wrestler who's size and power make powerbombs, bodyslams and boots to the face fit his character. Give it a break already as not everyone will be like Kurt Angle, or to a degree, Bob Backlund who was a much better wrestler in his prime than Angle. And please, we are talking about "professional" wrestling. If you want to see wrestling at its purist, check out the NCAA!!!

[Guest thebigjig]

Nash isn't exactly what I would call a Wrestler.

I'm curious but what would you call a wrestler? Is it someone who can execute a dropkick? Is it someone who is able to apply suplexes, boston crabs and spinning toeholds? Armbars? Punches and kicks? Well, guess what, all of that is wrestling. Pro wrestling is actually a combination of styles used by different characters that fit a wrestlers current persona. For instance, Mr Perfect was a technical wrestler but would brawl and punch on occassion. Kurt Angle uses wrestling moves but has been known to pull tights, hit with chairs and pull hair. Ken Shamrock is a shoot fighter who can wrestle but is better suited to his psycho character. Kevin Nash is a power wrestler who's size and power make powerbombs, bodyslams and boots to the face fit his character. Give it a break already as not everyone will be like Kurt Angle, or to a degree, Bob Backlund who was a much better wrestler in his prime than Angle. And please, we are talking about "professional" wrestling. If you want to see wrestling at its purist, check out the NCAA!!!

Ditto!

[Guest TheSmarkzone]

Amen. Been preaching that to deaf ears for days now.

[Guest RavishingRickRudo]

First, you have your "good" smart fans, like thebigjig or myself.

 

- Enjoys the product.

 

I enjoy a good product. How about you?

 

- Respects the business and the wrestlers.

 

I respect a wrestler who should be in there. A wrestler who doesn't belong, who doesn't meet par, who has gotten their on look or politics only I do not like or respect and to whom I say 'get the fuck off my tv'.

 

- Doesn't buy into all of the Internet and dirtsheet rumors.

 

Even if they are well supported and justified? Even if they are true 99% of the time?

 

- Is smart to some of the inner workings of the business, but also keeps in mind that he only knows what they allow him to know.

 

Like what? Seriously. Any one who says that they know all about wrestling is fooling themselves (actually, I haven't heard a single person proclaiming this, but anyways). However if you think your opinion is not valid simply because you are an internet fan, or you don't accept other valid statements because they may be negative then you are just being blind and are just acting as a tool for Wwf propoganda. I can name a bunch of people on this board, and others, who probably know more about wrestling than some wrestlers, or damn well near.

 

Then, you have your "bad" smart fans, like Scott Keith.

 

- Seems to only enjoy the product when it goes exactly his way (never).

 

Well, maybe keiths way is right? (ok, keith is a bad example ) But if you want a product of more wrestling and less talk and you get more talk and less wrestling, should you not be mad? If you want a talented wrestler pushed, yet a sack of shit does instead, should you not be mad? Fuck, keith is the biggest Wwf mark on the internet IMO, so I don't know where this comes from anyways.

 

- Seems to only watch wrestling to critique it.

 

Um, this is a wrestling board, of course it is going to come off that way. I enjoy the product (most of the time, not tonight) when I watch it, but when I come on the internet and start to form opinions and start to *Think* then usually my perception changes. This board is to discuss what we like and don't like, of course it is going to sound like critiques. It's called a perspective, might come in handy one of these days (kidding! don't bite me head off)

 

- Marks out for (typically) young, small, technical workers that have not yet achieve mega-stardom and hates (typically) older, bigger, more charismatic mega-stars that he perceives as the ones who are stealing the spotlight from his "vanilla midgets".

 

Ah, so likes substance over style. DAMN THEM! I like Benoit, Malenko, Guerrero, Angle... But I am a Hogan mark.. So where does that put me?

 

- Often ditches his favorite wrestlers when they finally do reach the main event level, and goes in search of another under-pushed wrestler to lust over and complain about.

 

I used to do this long before I was ever on the internet. It's human nature for some to go away from what is all the rage and to find something more obscure, it's someones lame attempt to be unique. HOWEVER, often when a wrestler becomes a ME their character gets watered down to please the masses, they become the N*sync of wrestling. Their catch phrases become worn out and their schtick is no longer funny.

 

- Reads into Internet and dirtsheet rumors way, way too much. This is usually easy to spot: extreme paranoia that his favorite wrestlers are being held down due to backstage politics.

 

I can't help but feel that someone has been working against Benoit when the motherfucker doesn't get a montage on his return. I can't help but feel that someone has been working against Chris Jericho when he ends up being a lotion boy and dog walker for HHH and Stephanie Mcmahon...And how a potentially great feud is ruined because of some divorce angle between two writers.

 

- Is smart to some of the inner workings of the business, but acts like he's King Shit and he sits in the Gorilla position at every show.

 

Don't quite follow this... Sometimes I enjoy a show that a lot of people don't enjoy, I come on here and discuss what I liked about the show in an attempt to either sway opinion or open eyes or just get a point across. That's what a discussion board is for, ya know?

 

Up until 2002, this was pretty much it. But in 2002, something went horribly, horribly wrong. The Internet started to produce MUTATED versions of the "bad" smart fans. These mutated smart fans were so bad, that instead of only latching onto the vanilla midgets as a whole and hating the big, charismatic guys with a passion, they latched onto a SINGLE vanilla midget and despised EVERYBODY else!

 

So far, Anglesault and Angle is Wrestling are the only documented cases of this horrifying mutation, but there may be others out there.

 

WARNING: If you come across any fans who seem to have an unhealthy fetish for Kurt Angle that borders on homo-erotic lust, make sure that you get them help IMMEDIATELY. They may be a mutated smart mark.

 

Not a big fan of gimmick posters so I'll agree

[Guest Smell the ratings!!!]

for christ sake, I try to go to bed for a couple hours and look at all these posts.

 

for reference I had heard of Meltzer, I just didn't know Meltzer = Observer

 

As for Worst Wrestler Ever, you guys just aren't familar with the critera. Giant Gonzales or whatever the fuck they called him was truly awful, no doubt. However his time of toturing us was brief. With Nash, you have a guy who has been basically set automatically in main events for many years. Plus, he's a multi-time World Champion, basically claiming he is a better wrestler than the other guys, all of whom could probably outwrestle him. Nash isn't just crap, he's long-lasting, high profile crap. Imagine a giant turd being elected president, and then winning another term. That's the kind of impact that earned Nash the coveted award. Also note that the corination was performed at a time when the scourge known only as Hogan was thought to be long dead.

 

as for the other topics: Bigjig, I wasn't talking about you, I was talking about "I'm not a"Smarkzone.

 

speaking of Smarkzone, interesting that the first example of a "good fan" you thought of was yourself.

 

And yes, I would call Nash a wrestler, because he is a wrestler. Perhaps what Angle is Wrestling meant is he wouldn't call Nash an adequate, passable, or even tolerable wrestler.

 

I think that was everything. Please leave all hypervenailating, defensive responses in this thread and I'll read them in the morning.

[Guest TheSmarkzone]

I am not just a good fan, I am a great fan.

 

I can name a bunch of people on this board, and others, who probably know more about wrestling than some wrestlers, or damn well near.

 

Puh-fucking-lease. That's all I gotta say to your delusional comment.

[Guest bob_barron]

You like Nash but not Booker??

 

You're not a good fan, you're a dumbass

[Guest TheSmarkzone]

Booker sucks. He really sucks.

 

- Obnoxious as hell on the mic.

- Can't get over without Goldust.

- Is totally, totally out-classed and looks bush league whenever they put him next to someone like The Rock.

- Cannot break the **** match barrier.

- Hasn't had a **** match since 1998 with Benoit.

- Totally overrated by the Internet fans.

 

At least Nash is entertaining, gets a reaction, and can be carried to really good matches by really good workers. Booker can't even break **** with a really good worker like Jeff Jarrett or Rock.

 

And if you guys are gonna crucify Nash for what he does outside of the ring, then why not crucify Booker T? At least Nash never robbed a fucking Wendy's.

 

If Booker wants to get over, he is gonna have to drop this whole ghetto persona and go back to the slick, sharp-dressing Rock wannabe that he was before he came to the WWE.

[Guest AlwaysPissedOff]

Well hell, Rock's beaten women before, Snuka supposedly murdered a girlfriend, Sting cheated on his wife numerous times, as did Luger.

 

Face it, not everyone in the WWF/E, or wrestling in general, is a saint.

[Guest bob_barron]

Well according to smarkzone it seems like Nash is a saint

[Guest TheSmarkzone]

Face it, not everyone in the WWF/E is a saint.

 

EXACTLY.

 

So if we are gonna bitch about what the Clique does when the cameras go off, then we may as well be fair and dig up the dirt on EVERYBODY...including the Internet darlings.

[Guest thebigjig]

Booker sucks. He really sucks.

 

- Obnoxious as hell on the mic.

- Can't get over without Goldust.

- Is totally, totally out-classed and looks bush league whenever they put him next to someone like The Rock.

- Cannot break the **** match barrier.

- Hasn't had a **** match since 1998 with Benoit.

- Totally overrated by the Internet fans.

 

And if you guys are gonna crucify Nash for what he does outside of the ring, then why not crucify Booker T? At least Nash never robbed a fucking Wendy's.

 

If Booker wants to get over, he is gonna have to drop this whole ghetto persona and go back to the slick, sharp-dressing Rock wannabe that he was before he came to the WWE.

I dissagree with you about Booker's wrestling ability. He's very good in the ring... and yes he hasn't had a **** match but I haven't really seen him paired up with anyone that could help take the match there...

 

But I do agree with you about his mic skills... they are horrible. I was hoping he would leave the "You want some... come get some" crap with the decaying corpse known as WCW. If he brings back "Save the Drama for yo Mama" I'm going to throw my computer screen at the tv

 

 

 

well maybe not, but either way, I'll be shaking my head in annoyed disbelief

[Guest RavishingRickRudo]

Puh-fucking-lease. That's all I gotta say to your delusional comment.

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Yet for some reason it doesn't prove it wrong. Hmm, you might want to rethink that response great fan.

[Guest TheSmarkzone]

I almost did throw something at the TV when he did the "My daddy..." routine, three times, to increasingly silent reactions.

[Guest TheSmarkzone]

Yet for some reason it doesn't prove it wrong. Hmm, you might want to rethink that response great fan.

 

No fan who has never been inside the wrestling business knows more than a wrestler who eats, sleeps, breathes, and lives the business. It's that simple. This is just common sense. It's the most ludicrous thing that I have ever heard, and whoever the nutjob was who told Lance Storm that he doesn't know what a good worker is has BALLS.

[Guest AlwaysPissedOff]

Well, while I really don't give a damn about backstage stuff, I'd say that playing the political game backstage to real life felonies/sins/whatever are two VERY different things.

[Guest Big McLargeHuge]

EXACTLY.

 

So if we are gonna bitch about what the Clique does when the cameras go off, then we may as well be fair and dig up the dirt on EVERYBODY...including the Internet darlings.

The difference being that most wrestlers' personal problems don't affect the product. The Klique's politicing DID. That's our gripe. I could give two shits about how many times X-Pac jerked off Sunday Night (I heard 3), but if it's on camera wasting tv time, then I will care.

[Guest TheSmarkzone]

We don't know about Kliq politics. None of us. Not one of us was there to witness any of it. All we have is hearsay and rumors and stories. That's it.

 

Your Kliq stuff is as good as vapor.