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[Guest genius1591]

If Nash loved wrestling so much- why doesn't he work house shows?

Good point.

[Guest Ripper]

Nash WAS working house shows before the bicep injury in the WWF...he wasn't even working on television and was working house show. No main eventers worked house shows in WCW...none of them. That is why 4 people were at the shows...usually some of the wrestlers parents.

[Guest Big McLargeHuge]

You all made great points. Can we drop the Nash subject already?

[Guest Ripper]

Not to sound like too much of a smart ass, but if you are tired of the subject of Nash, reading Nash Threads might not be the place to avoid them.

[Guest Big McLargeHuge]

Actually, you're right.

[Guest bob_barron]

Kevin Nash wrestled at two house shows and accompanied Scott Hall at a lot of them.

 

Two house shows?????? That doesn't seem like a lot

[Guest Ripper]

So the injured guy should have been wrestling at the house shows??? How many injured wrestlers attend house shows again. You are kinda helping my point here.

[Guest Jobber of the Week]

For what it's worth, if Benoit lasted less than a minute in a comeback match before experiencing an injury that is NOT life-crippling, I would have laughed at it too, although perhaps I wouldn't take this method to express it.

 

I consider life-crippling meaning one is permanently unable to do certain things again. Nash has had a successful surgery and in time he will heal. If he were unable to walk again, that would be another story.

 

I don't consider Dynamite Kid living out the rest of his years in a wheelchair to be funny.

 

I don't consider Owen Hart dying in a retarded outfit to be the least bit funny.

 

I don't like Bret Hart, but appearantly that concussion (ignoring the recent bike injury here) didn't cause enough harm for him to stop running his mouth in newspapers, and so I consider him fair game.

 

Nash is a guy who's been criticized like crazy about not knowing when to put it up. He found out the painful way. Ronnie Lott and Steve Young (gee, it's real obvious where I live now =B) loved football but they noticed the signs that Nash is getting now and understood it was time to let someone else move in and do it.

[Guest Big McLargeHuge]

I don't like Bret Hart, but appearantly that concussion (ignoring the recent bike injury here) didn't cause enough harm for him to stop running his mouth in newspapers, and so I consider him fair game.

Huh?

[Guest pinnacleofallthingsmanly]

Nash doesn't love the business?? That is the dumbest thing that I have ever heard. You do realize that Kevin Nash is a Millionare. Has been one for years. He doesn't HAVE to work at all to live the good life. He doesn't HAVE to be away from his home 200+ days a year. He does it because he loves the business. I bet half the people on this board will talk about how they love the business of wrestling and all they give up is a few hours a week to watch the show...the show feature a bunch of guys killing themselves to entertain a crowd. A bunch of guys that you will turn around and claim don't love the business. If you are laughing at a man in this much pain because you HEARD that he looked out for his friends backstage, you need to get your head out of your ass and relize exactly how fucked up you view of this business really is.

 

First of all, there are people that view pro wrestling as a job, not their true love. If the guy really loves wrestling so much, how come he didn't get his contract bought out last year like Booker T did? I'm not saying that he should have done it, but you can't talk about how much he LOVES the business when he was getting his free money. I also don't understand why people are having such a hard time understanding the laughing. It's been explained repeatedly that not everyone laughed because they thought he was a dick or he was a backstage politician. There are a lot of people laughing at the irony of the situation and the wasy it initially came across. I'm not going to explain it again at this time, but I'm tired of people ignoring it.

[Guest Ripper]

I understand why people are laughing. Just understand that in doing so you are a dick. Thats all.

[Guest pinnacleofallthingsmanly]

There are people laughing for a variety of reasons.

 

1) Kevin Nash got hurt.

 

2) The situations surrounding the injury.

 

3) The music playing in the background.

 

There are people that fall into one or more of those categories. These categories can be further broken down.

 

SITUATIONS SURROUNDING THE INJURY

 

1) Kevin Nash can't wrestle very well.

 

2) Kevin Nash had a completely different injury that he was coming back from.

 

3) Kevin Nash is known as a dick himself.

 

4) Kevin Nash has a reputation for being lazy.

 

5) Kevin Nash has a reputation for dicking people over (the Pillmans, WCW wrestlers, WWF wrestlers, etc.,)

 

6) He cut a promo earlier in the show where he threatened Triple H (a man who suffered the same injury that Kevin Nash would later suffer).

 

 

 

You can also look at the actual events that happened in the ring.

 

 

1) Kevin Nash stood outside the ring the entire time.

 

2) Kevin Nash only wrestled for 15 seconds.

 

3) At a glance, it didn't look like there was anything that would have caused him to be injured.

 

4) At a glance, it could have looked like he just fucked up a move (walking), an idea that is perpetuated by the fact that he is a shitty wrestler (and him fucking up moves has become commonplace).

 

5) After he went down, there was a bunch of shitty looking wrestling going on in the ring.

 

6) After the match was over, Shawn Michaels continued to make threats at Triple H while the man who made the first threat was laying on the ground clutching his leg.

 

 

You can put aside the fact that someone was being screwed (Booker T) during that whole fiasco because Nash was hurt. You can put aside the fact that a guy (Booker) was continuing to be buried by the political entity known as the Clique. You can't put aside the fact that people are laughed for different reasons and some of those reasons had nothing to do with Kevin Nash being actually hurt. I laugh at shitty looking wrestling, and there was alot to go around. Big Show helping Booker T up so that he can chokeslam him set to Chariots of Fire is pretty funny to me. Hell, I have the match where Stevie Ray was so blown up that he needed Scott Steiner to lift his leg up for him so that he could reverse his kick on tape somewhere. Shit like that amuses me. People getting injured doesn't really do anything for me.

[Guest Jobber of the Week]

4) At a glance, it could have looked like he just fucked up a move (walking), an idea that is perpetuated by the fact that he is a shitty wrestler (and him fucking up moves has become commonplace).

Walking is now considered a wrestling move?

 

Dude!

 

SMELL MY WORKRATE~!

[Guest What?!]

6) He cut a promo earlier in the show where he threatened Triple H (a man who suffered the same injury that Kevin Nash would later suffer).

 

1) Kevin Nash stood outside the ring the entire time.

 

2) Kevin Nash only wrestled for 15 seconds.

 

3) At a glance, it didn't look like there was anything that would have caused him to be injured.

 

4) At a glance, it could have looked like he just fucked up a move (walking), an idea that is perpetuated by the fact that he is a shitty wrestler (and him fucking up moves has become commonplace).

 

5) After he went down, there was a bunch of shitty looking wrestling going on in the ring.

 

6) After the match was over, Shawn Michaels continued to make threats at Triple H while the man who made the first threat was laying on the ground clutching his leg.

I'd say these are the things that caused my laughter. Especially the HBK promo going "HHH, join the nWo or you'll be layed flat on your face" while nWo member Kevin Nash is layed out in the corner.

[Guest Ripper]

All reasons that have a basis. But the end result is a bunch of people getting in all giggly over a man tearing apart of his body yp. That in itself makes people laughing at it a dick. The path taken to get there isn't important, bottom line. You laugh at the irony? The ironic part is a man getting a part of his body torn up..Result, person laughing is a dick. There is no way around it... Picking at a man for tearing his leg up is dickish.

 

You can watch porn for social commentary, amusment, educational value, for a paper you're writting or because nothing else is on...at the end of the day you are still watching porn. You just have different reasons for getting there.

[Guest pinnacleofallthingsmanly]

So I guess there are no shades of grey in your world.

[Guest pinnacleofallthingsmanly]

Why did Bubba run across the ring, go back across the ring, go out through the bottom rope and start holding Nash and consoling him?

[Guest Jobber of the Week]

The ironic part is a man getting a part of his body torn up..Result, person laughing is a dick.

Fine, take your little moral high ground and enjoy it. Since you bring it up though, there is a difference between naked women and porn though. Naked women can be used in a piece of art without making it porn. A Las Vegas tittie show, however, is no question porn.

 

Speaking of which, don't know if anybody noticed this on the 411 frontpage:

The SmarK Retro Repost - Clash Of Champions X (07.10.02) - Scott Keith

Some leg injuries AREN'T funny...

[Guest Ripper]

"Fine, take your little moral high ground and enjoy it. Since you bring it up though, there is a difference between naked women and porn though. Naked women can be used in a piece of art without making it porn. A Las Vegas tittie show, however, is no question porn."

 

I said nothing about nudity being porn. Porn is porn. See, I have a theory that I can explain any point that I am ever trying to make using porn. It usually works(although it doesn't go over too well in religious discussions for some reasons).

 

And I don't consider myself being on a moral high ground. I consider myself to not have such jaded view on the world as most of you guys. Some how, Nash saying someone didn't deserve a push makes it cool to laugh at him in absorbant amounts of pain. How fucked up is that reasoning. That is my point.

[Guest Jobber of the Week]

Some how, Nash saying someone didn't deserve a push makes it cool to laugh at him in absorbant amounts of pain. How fucked up is that reasoning. That is my point.

Nash did a lot more than that.

 

And your point is "if it was Benoit or someone else you wouldn't be laughing." And I disagree. While Nash has some extra humor value in that he hardly seems to even walk, much less wrestle (and I'm talking about when he's active, and yes I know his knees are shot), if ANYONE had a 10 second comeback before being injured a second time I'd likely laugh unless:

 

A ) It's life-threatening.

 

B ) It was something the company was depending on to revive interest.

 

Beyond a ratings boost that only existed in the bookers' minds and never happened anyway, there was no reason to book Nash to wrestle so soon. And it looks like he's going to live.

 

Sure, when it all comes down to brass tacks, I'm getting enjoyment out of another person's pain, but that's just a dark part of the human psyche. It's like that Simpsons episode when Homer is a movie festival judge and in his mind he REALLY loves that short comedy film where the old man is hit in the crotch with a flying football.

[Guest Ripper]

And I will continue to say that Chris Jerhicos commentary on the IWC grows more and more true each day.

 

A lot of the fans and a majority of the IWC's writers are proving what arses they are after this. When he said they they are out their killing themselves for the fans enjoyment but that isn't good enough, he is being proved right.

[Guest Jobber of the Week]

And I will continue to say that Chris Jerhicos commentary on the IWC grows more and more true each day.

 

A lot of the fans and a majority of the IWC's writers are proving what arses they are after this.

And I keep telling you this: It's not the IWC, it's humanity and human nature. It's like the people who watch only the beginning of NASCAR races because "that's when all the crashes happen."

 

Nobody will say this business doesn't come without it's risk, but neither does something like being a movie stuntman. And while Jackie Chan makes a lot of money to put himself on the line for people's enjoyment, so does Nash, although on a lesser scale. And I enjoyed Nash that night more than usual, except just for an unexpected reason.

 

I never said I was happy the guy was injured, but the whole situation surrounding it makes it funny.

 

The fact that it was much hyped, the fact that the payoff lasted only ten seconds, and the fact that Michaels was talking trash like Nash was earlier. The fact that you can practically hear the NWO angle screeching to a halt... Yes, that's funny.Nash on cruches isn't though. And I keep saying that.

 

You can feel like a more moral person for shrugging off the head-smacking irony of it all, but don't sit and talk about how the IWC is a bunch of cruel heartless bastards, because we're not being any more heartless than most the general populace.

[Guest pinnacleofallthingsmanly]

And I don't consider myself being on a moral high ground. I consider myself to not have such jaded view on the world as most of you guys. Some how, Nash saying someone didn't deserve a push makes it cool to laugh at him in absorbant amounts of pain. How fucked up is that reasoning. That is my point.

 

Just believe what you want to believe, because you're not listening to what anyone is saying.

 

6) He cut a promo earlier in the show where he threatened Triple H (a man who suffered the same injury that Kevin Nash would later suffer).

 

1) Kevin Nash stood outside the ring the entire time.

 

2) Kevin Nash only wrestled for 15 seconds.

 

3) At a glance, it didn't look like there was anything that would have caused him to be injured.

 

4) At a glance, it could have looked like he just fucked up a move (walking), an idea that is perpetuated by the fact that he is a shitty wrestler (and him fucking up moves has become commonplace).

 

5) After he went down, there was a bunch of shitty looking wrestling going on in the ring.

 

6) After the match was over, Shawn Michaels continued to make threats at Triple H while the man who made the first threat was laying on the ground clutching his leg.

 

I'd say these are the things that caused my laughter. Especially the HBK promo going "HHH, join the nWo or you'll be layed flat on your face" while nWo member Kevin Nash is layed out in the corner.

 

Where do you see anything about anyone not liking Kevin Nash? Someone oblivious to what Nash does backstage could laugh for those same reasons. I know three of them who have already. You want to believe that people are dicks and they were laughing at someone tearing their quad, go ahed and believe that. You want to ignore people when they tell you what they were really laughing at, go ahead and do that to.

[Guest Ripper]

Ok...lets try it this way.

 

 

(Reasons for laughing at injury) + (Kevin Nash getting injured)= People laughing at Nash getting injured

 

 

(People laughing at Nash getting injured)= Being a Dick

 

Therefore

 

[(Reasons for laughing at injury) + (Kevin Nash getting injured)= People laughing at Nash getting injured] = being a dick.

 

Now, you can change the first part all you want. It can be for irony, it can be for what ever, but it doesn't change the end result. Laughing at a man being injured is not excusable...well if he was doing something incredibly stupid and the only out come would be getting injured...but when a guy is doing something to entertain the fans and you laugh at it, no matter the reason, you are being a dick.

 

It doens't matter what path you took to get there, you still end up in the same place.

[Guest pinnacleofallthingsmanly]

(Reasons for laughing at injury) + (Kevin Nash getting injured)= People laughing at Nash getting injured

 

STOP IGNORING PEOPLE THAT ARE SAYING THAT THEY WEREN'T LAUGHING AT THE GODDAMNED INJURY!

[Guest LaParkaMarka]

Just ignore the guy...he's obviously trolling to get a reaction out of you. Sorry, but laughing at what happened to Nash does not make me or pinnacleofallthingsmanly or Jobber of the Week or anyone else a dick. And if this guy thinks we're all dicks, who cares? I consider him a dick for ignoring every explanation and just generalizing everyone who laughed. So we're all even.

[Guest Ripper]

Ok, lets see. These are EXACT quotes from the Raw thread as it happen...alot of them from you "innocent, laughing at irony" people.

 

"NASH HURT HIMSELF!!! LMFAO!!!!!

 

WTF!!!!!!LMFAO!!!!!!!

OMG, I wish that injury was real. FUCK THE NWO. FUCK BIG SHOW. FUCK THEM ALL.

 

 

HAHA! He really is! Maybe he'll get the HHH treatment!

 

OMFG, NASH IS HURT LEGIT!!!! LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL

 

WTF!!!!!!LMFAO!!!!!!!

 

LMAO!!

 

OMG! Within 5 seconds of his return, Nash is hurt. I'm laughing my ass off.

And it would be great if Booker had kicked out of the SCM.

 

But if Nash blew out his knee, it's a perfect end to the night!

 

Nash is really hurt! Holy fuck! That's hilarious!

 

LLLLOOOOOLOLLL, Nash is hurt.

 

Yeah...Yeah...Nash is Hurts! It makes up for the win. It seemed like they were clueless and they all jumped in and did an Impromtu finish.

 

Booker shouldn't have been pinned.

 

But Nash hurting himself after one move more than makes up for it.

 

That ending sucked. It would have been awesome for the Book to get the pin on Show, but, nope, cannot have that, I guess. Had the Book's team went over, then it would have capped off an awesome Raw, IMO, but now, it is like, "Eh...NWO won...I do not care...Life goes on." At least Nash being injured after about 5 seconds of ring work is pretty funny though.

 

I'm going over my friend's house wednesday to make an MPEG of this glorious moment.

 

I have yet to stop laughing.

 

HA

 

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!

 

Yes, I'm laughing at an injury. I'm going to hell

 

I didn't even see the ending until the replay because I was laughing so hard.

 

I can, and will, watch that injury all day."

 

 

Then, more than a day later when someone calls you on it, you are all of a sudden not laughing at the injury at all. You are laughing at something totally different. Yeah, what ever. You guys were being asses and now acting like you weren't doesn't change the fact of it all. A man won't be able to walk for about a month...a man has 6 months to a year of painful rehab to go through and you were laughing at it like a bunch of what....everyone....dicks.

[Guest gizmo]

I didnt find the injury funny, what i found funny was shawns promo after the match talking about the nwo "standing tall" as nash is lying in the corner crying his eyes out.

[Guest Ripper]

And see, there is a huge differnce at laughing at that and laughing at the injury.

 

I found it funny when in WCW, Booker T and Goldberg had a match and goldberg hurt his shoulder at the end and a bunch of securty guys ran out because Bill was SUPPOSE to be beating on Booker but they just stood there because Bill was hurt and booker T was selling so they just looked at each other. But what I didn't do was type " Goldberg hurt his shoulder!!!! LOLOOOLLLLOOLOLLLL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!" and then say hours later that I didn't laugh at him hurting his shoulder.

[Guest Jobber of the Week]

And see, there is a huge differnce at laughing at that and laughing at the injury.

And I never wrote any of the posts you quoted. Not even the "I'm going to make an MPEG of this" one. All I did was call him lazy (which was nothing new) and say "in this exclusive music video, you can remember the magic of Kev stepping into the ring, and feel the pain and sorrow of the most active 15 seconds of his life that he's given the WWE all year."

 

Sadly, like it or not, that was the fastest he was moving since signing. All his previous matches have been slow "punch punch pose wait for Scott Hall to interfere" stinkfests.