Austin was right after all !

[Guest genius1591]

Well, it looks that Austin was right after all. Austin was one of the most outspoken people when Vince decided to being in the NWO. Austin said that the idea would not work but Vince bought them in anyways. Austin was angry and walked out. While he was gone, the NWO was a big failure, like Austin throught, Hall demons caught up with him, Nash got injured, and Hulk-a-mania lasted a month. Eventually, Austin made his return, feuded with Flair for awhile and walked out again when finding out that he had to job to Brock. Could we blame Austin for not wanting to job to Brock. A man that has not had any heat from the crowd since arriving, but they still insist on shove him down our television sets each week. When we look at why Austin left the WWE, can we blame him!

[Guest chirs3]

When we look at why Austin left the WWE, can we blame him!

 

Yes.

[Guest Anglesault]

No.

[Guest Some Guy]

Yes I can blame Austin for walkling out, he's getting paid to do his job. If my boss asks me to do something I don't want to do i don't just walk out of the store, I do it.

[Guest mach7]

Hasn't this been discussed a million times already? You're not offering us any new information here, so what's your point?

[Guest Prince Paul]

Hasn't this been discussed a million times already? You're not offering us any new information here, so what's your point?

Hey, people do what the hell they want. If I was rich, like Austin, and my boss told me to something retarded, I'd walk out too. They don't own Austin. He made his choice, and left. Nobody has heard from him since. It's not his fault that the WWE can't just drop it and give him his walking papers, even though that would be a stupid move by Vince.

[Guest goodhelmet]

Yes I can blame Austin for walkling out, he's getting paid to do his job.  If my boss asks me to do something I don't want to do i don't just walk out of the store, I do it.

then i feel sorry for you. if you are unhappy with your WORKING conditions then you have the ability and freedom to walk away, which is what austin did. austin just got paid a helluva lot more money than we do.

[Guest oldschoolwrestling]

So Austin didn't like any of the storylines given to him. Did he have any new suggestions? If he did they all probably had him kicking everyone's ass. Remember his 1 on 20 beatdown of the alliance?

[Guest chirs3]

Must... resist... urge... Aw, fuck it.

 

Austin should have had enough professionalism to stick with it. He's rich, so he could afford to walk. That doesn't mean it was the right thing or the smart thing to do. He gave a big "Fuck you" to the entire wrestling world, and there is no way to justify just walking out on the job. There's this little peice of paper he signed, something called a CONTRACT. It says "I'll wrestle for you for X years and get paid X dollars a year." Austin didn't like what was going on, so he just quit, despite being under contract. Can I still blame him? You bet your ass I can.

[Guest thebigjig]

You don't walk out on a live show, especially if you're the star of the show. Simple as that

 

If I bought tickets to see my favorite band live, and the day of the concert, the lead singer decided to walk away without notice, I would be really really pissed.

 

It's Austin's job to do what the writer's say. I don't care whether he was right or wrong creativly. And I would say the same thing if it were Benoit, Angle, or Flair, my three favorite wrestlers

[Guest goodhelmet]

I didn't say austin was right. i said he HAS the right to walk away if he is unhappy. big difference. in fact, sveral monthas ago i had indicated that the first person who should be fired in the wwf was austin because he was an unprofessional shit BUT that doesn't take away from the fact that he he had every right in the world to walk away.

[Guest Some Guy]

Yes I can blame Austin for walkling out, he's getting paid to do his job.  If my boss asks me to do something I don't want to do i don't just walk out of the store, I do it.

then i feel sorry for you. if you are unhappy with your WORKING conditions then you have the ability and freedom to walk away, which is what austin did. austin just got paid a helluva lot more money than we do.

The point is you have a job to do and just becasue you may not like doing parts of it you shouldn't walk out. Especially if you are being paid the kind of money that Austin is.

 

BTW my boss never asks me to do things that are dangerous or anything, it's more like "Allen make ten trays of Eclairs." Which is tedious and boring.

[Guest goodhelmet]

Yes I can blame Austin for walkling out, he's getting paid to do his job.  If my boss asks me to do something I don't want to do i don't just walk out of the store, I do it.

then i feel sorry for you. if you are unhappy with your WORKING conditions then you have the ability and freedom to walk away, which is what austin did. austin just got paid a helluva lot more money than we do.

The point is you have a job to do and just becasue you may not like doing parts of it you shouldn't walk out. Especially if you are being paid the kind of money that Austin is.

 

BTW my boss never asks me to do things that are dangerous or anything, it's more like "Allen make ten trays of Eclairs." Which is tedious and boring.

no. the point is if you are unhappy with your job then you have every right in the world to walk out. i don't agree with austin's motives or logic but he is justified in pulliing a dean malenko and going "home"!

[Guest FeArHaVoC]

He doesn't have the legal rights to walk away. He's under contract and if he wasn't such a big star and if Vince and CO didn't have high hopes of him returning one day, then Vince would have probably sued his ass.

 

He has the Freedom of speech. Not the Freedom to walk away. Which, his Freedom of speech is what he should have used.

 

Anyway, I'm sick of this topic, I'm done, thank you all, and I'm out like Debra after an Austin right hook!

[Guest Some Guy]

Sure I or Austin have the right to walk out but we also have the responsibility to do our jobs. When you take a job you make a promise to do it for the money agreed upon, to just walk out because you don't want to do an aspect of your job that you knew of before you started working, like jobbing or in my case making tons of Eclairs is irresponsible. At least that's the way I was raised, may be my parents were wrong about all that keeping promises and responsibility shit that they kept telling me as a kid.

[Guest Slingshot Suplex]

Yes I can blame Austin for walkling out, he's getting paid to do his job.  If my boss asks me to do something I don't want to do i don't just walk out of the store, I do it.

then i feel sorry for you. if you are unhappy with your WORKING conditions then you have the ability and freedom to walk away, which is what austin did. austin just got paid a helluva lot more money than we do.

I wouldn't lump "doesn't like that he's not the focal point of the product" under poor "working conditions".Besides the fact that Austin has a signed contract and he is in breech of that contract by not showing up to work,it was a totally selfish stunt to pull.

[Guest Ripper]

Not to mention burying 3 superstars (Flair, Beniot, Guerro) by them having no angle, and refusing to help get the next superstar over. But hes AUstin..he has that right I guess.

[Guest El Psycho Diablo]

..nobody has that right.

[Guest saturnmark4life]

if he's unhappy he should tell them he is, and if he can't reach an agreement he should formally quit. he shouldn't no show without prior notice, over this sort of petty issue. No we've COVERED THIS ALREADY.

[Guest AlwaysPissedOff]

Yes, let's get a mod to close this topic because rehashing the same lame bullshit from last month all over again because it's utterly pointless and just leads to more excessive bickering and whining.

[Guest genius1591]

I don't blame Austin for walking out. Austin with all his hard work and effort put the WWE back on it's feet and made Vince a billionaire. Austin made the most money Vince McMahon, therefore should have a say on what goes on in the company.

[Guest Brian]

Everyone has the right. It's their decision, they have no loyalty to anyone and Vince can fire them to prove it.

 

That said, Austin shouldn't have walked out. It's the wrong way to go about things.

 

But alas, Austin was correct. He worked hard and got shoved aside for a poor investment that didn't work out for more than two pay per views.

 

Ripper, he didn't bury them. I mean, he could have gone on the air, said they weren't at his level, feuded over a dog, than beat them twice and kept them off pay per view for a while.

[Guest FeArHaVoC]

He didn't bury them, but he did hurt their Heat and pushes.

 

Aww damnit! I said I was done with this Topic!

[Guest Dangerous A]

Austin is looking more and more like a prophet with each bad turn the NWO (Hall, Nash, Hogan) takes. I will attempt to bottom line some of this Austin talk that has been rehashed.

 

 

Bottom Line: Does Austin have the right to walk out of a job he is no longer happy to do? Fuck yes.

 

Was it the right thing to do at the time? No

 

Was it fair to the people he left hanging? Fuck No.

 

 

While it looks more and more like Austin was right about how hiring the NWO guys would wind up, he did business the wrong way. It has been reported also that while Austin definitely had a problem with creative, he never offered solutions to the problem. And he does have enough power to attempt to come up with creative solutions as evidenced with his being able to call Vince at any hour of the day to talk about anything having to do with wrestling. Yes, he can walk out and quit. It's done all over the country probrably hundreds of times a day or so. But in regards to doing business, he should've came up with a better alternative.

[Guest Austin3164life]

Oh man, I can't believe people are still on this. Vince McMahon turned a deaf ear to his most profitable star in times of desperation. So he brought the nWo. Austin quits his job, because it's an unsuitable working environment for HIM. It was HIS choice to quit his job. The whole question of "was it the right thing to do" is not for us, the minority fans, to decide. It's for Austin and Austin alone to decide if he did the right thing. People seem to think that just because we are loyal fans, all of the wrestling world owes us something. That's wrong. They go out there and bust their asses week in and week out all year. That, alone, is worth more than enough to me. All of these idiots who keep complaining "well Austin owes the fans". Bullshit. The man came back from a broken neck and wrestled with two terrible knees and took chokeslams, belly to back, and German suplexes just to entertain us. Vince asked Austin to do something that Austin did not want to do. But Austin DID it anyway. Then, he was booked to job to an absolutely heatless Brock Lesnar (who is more green than RVD's leaves). For carrying the company on your back for the past 4 years, don't you think that Vince should've offered something better to Austin, instead of bringing in the god-awful NWO and Brock Lesnar and immediately shoving them down our throats?

 

If I were to "bottom line" this?

 

Was it right for Austin to quit his job in an unbearable working environment? Only he knows for sure.....

 

Does Austin (and every other wrestler) owe the fans "EVERYTHING"? [an emphatic] Oh Hell No. We watch and pay to see wrestlers wrestle. They do that. We buy their merchandise VOLUNTARILY. They don't MAKE us buy "Austin 3:16" shirts.......

 

The Austin departure ended. Let's all just get on with our lives now.......

[However, I still agree with Austin that bringing the nWo to the WWF was one of the WORST BUSINESS IDEAS EVER concocted in pro-wrestling]

[Guest LooseCannon]

He doesn't have the legal rights to walk away. He's under contract and if he wasn't such a big star and if Vince and CO didn't have high hopes of him returning one day, then Vince would have probably sued his ass.

 

He has the Freedom of speech. Not the Freedom to walk away. Which, his Freedom of speech is what he should have used.

 

Anyway, I'm sick of this topic, I'm done, thank you all, and I'm out like Debra after an Austin right hook!

I have to disagree. Austin did have the legal right to walk away. The Enforcement of personal services contracts would run afoul of the thirteenth amendment's prohibition against involuntary servitude. You can't force someone to do anything, even if they signed a contract. You can not pay them, and you can prevent them from working elsewhere, but you can not use legal machinery to force someone to perform.

 

That said, whether it was "right" for Austin to walk out in an ethical sense is another matter.

[Guest Dangerous A]

AustinHHH4Life, I agree with your point that Austin doesn't owe us fans shit. He has already given enough of his body and soul and I will always treasure the moments he gave all of us.

 

However I do think Austin did owe a little back to the guys in the back. To leave Guerrero and Benoit hanging like that was wrong IMO. He did it and it's been done. But Austin didn't make Austin by himself. He had people behind him. What about all the wrestlers who took part in his stunnerfests? How about the giving a little back to the business that help make you the millionaire you are today? He could've at least put Guerrero and/or Benoit over before he left is all.

[Guest godthedog]

i don't think it was the RIGHT thing to do, but walking out is seeming more & more like the SMART thing for austin to do (a la vince at survivor series). if he didn't beat his wife, i'd probably be talking about how austin is laughing his ass off at vince right now.

[Guest thebigjig]

Gotta agree that this thread should be closed... honestly, is there anything any one of has said that hasn't been repeated over and over again since it happened?