Guest TheDames7 Report post Posted July 10, 2002 Due to both teams using up all of their pitchers & players by the 11th inning, where the score was tied 7-7, the game was called in a tie. The fans booed like mad & now Bud Selig, Joe Torre & Bob Brenley (the assheaded commish, AL manager & NL manager) are now holding a press conference on it. Dames Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Jerome Drake Report post Posted July 10, 2002 I'm pissed off! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Kahran Ramsus Report post Posted July 10, 2002 They made the right decision. It is just an exhibition game. I have said for years that the All-Star Game should only be 9 innings, whether it is tied or not. The only problem I have is that there should have been co-MVPs. One for each team. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest phoenixrising Report post Posted July 10, 2002 Can't blame them because you don't want to blow out the pitcher's arms. But dang, baseball is just going down the tubes this year, with the impending players strike, the steroid controversy and the deaths of Mike Darr, Darryl Kile, Jack Buck and Ted Williams. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Jerome Drake Report post Posted July 10, 2002 It was the right desicion, and i dont blame them. But i'm still pissed off! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest bob_barron Report post Posted July 10, 2002 They had to do it but damn- this just makes Bud look worse Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest TheDames7 Report post Posted July 10, 2002 Of course, the blame will fall on Bud, because he's the most hated authority figure in sports. What do you think will be done to make sure this doesn't happen again in the future? There's a huge debate going on on ESPN. Dames Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest bob_barron Report post Posted July 10, 2002 If Bud's idea of winner of ASG gets home field during the World Series was passed then what would they have done? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest The Man in Blak Report post Posted July 10, 2002 Personally, I think part of the problem is the whole attitude that it's viewed as an exhibition. How ironic was it that there were all these interviews with players who were trying to legitimize the game, saying that the president of the league came in and gave them pep talks at what not...and then the game ends in a tie because it's strictly an "exhibition" game. In reality, players have to be "protected" for other managers, every player absolutely has to get an at-bat or 1/3 of an inning and I'm not sure I agree with that. The players played hard tonight, but the managers didn't play to win and, as a fan, that kind of takes out the fun of watching. I'd rather just tune into Web Gems on Sportscenter and catch the best players in the game making spectacular plays instead of watching every single all-star fall into line in a glorified batting practice. In the past, not everybody necessarily played, pitchers went for more innings, and managers shifted players around to win. If they had done that tonight, then I'd wager we wouldn't have had to worry about a tie. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Kingpk Report post Posted July 10, 2002 I gave up on the game after the starters left. Nice touch putting the 9 in left. One thing: why don't they let the players wear the jerseys they wear at the Derby at the game? Would make more sense to me. So who got the Williams MVP Award anyway? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest bob_barron Report post Posted July 10, 2002 No one. They make a big deal out of honouring Teddy Ballgame and then they don't even name an MVP. Unfuckingbelievable Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest The Man in Blak Report post Posted July 10, 2002 Yeah, I totally forgot about that. That was a definite fuck-up, though I'm not sure how you can pick a definite MVP when everybody on the team gets a maximum number of two at-bats anyway. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Vern Gagne Report post Posted July 10, 2002 This is a non-issue. Than to have that fat fuck Berman say the fans where well behaved considering what happened. Throwing things on the field and swearing over some exhibition game is considered good behavior. Co-MVP:Paul Konerko and Damian Miller How about that catch by Torii Hunter. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest The Man in Blak Report post Posted July 10, 2002 If anything, I hope that gets some additional cred for Torii (who is literally a human highlight reel), for whom the Milwaukee fans gave a collective "huh?". Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest bob_barron Report post Posted July 10, 2002 some exhibition game Well I agree it is just that I'm sure the tix come cheap and the fans didn't pay all that money to see a bullshit copout finish. I understand why they had to tie but if I was there I'd be pissed as well Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest MDH257 Report post Posted July 10, 2002 Throwing things on the field and swearing over some exhibition game is considered good behavior. Did they ever show the fans throwing things on the field. I watched the last inning and never saw that. I watched Baseball Tonight after the game. They said it happened, but never showed any footage of it. Calling it a tie was the only decision that could be made, but I'm suprised no one on television mentioned that the reason the fans there live might be upset because they paid alot more money for the "exhibition" then they would for a regular game and ended up getting a tie. Someone on ESPN said it best: "Had somebody won, nobody would have remembered. Nobody won, and we'll always remember." I got a kick out of the "let them play" chant. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Daredevil21 Report post Posted July 10, 2002 Well, I thought the game was great up until the finish. It had it all, great offense, great defense, good pitching, and it kept you on the edge of your seat. Hunter's over the wall catch, and the fact that he took a homer away from that jackass Bonds, made it that much better. There were some other great defensive plays made throughout the duration of the game, and the starting pitchers did well for the most part. I also liked how this was the first All-Star Game in a while that was actually close the whole way through, unlike other years, where one team has pulled away early and never looked back. The whole night had a special feel to it, and I have to believe that the tie really put a damper on it all. I know it's just an exhibition game, but this is a game featuring the elite players of the game, who give it their all everyday; so why should it matter if it's an exhibition game? They don't get crazed about it, but they don't just blow it off like they do in the NBA All-Star Game. I understand that they had run out of players and pitchers, but I think that both pitchers could have gone one more inning. This is baseball; a game that always has a decisive winner, rarely having any exceptions. Tonight was one of those exceptions. I really have to question the choice to hold a fucking 10 minute meeting in the middle of the damn inning, while Garcia waited and waited on the mound. Selig had to make a tough decision, but considering how hated he already is, he didn't make the right one. Looking back on it, Sosa's bad base running in the second was a bit more of big deal than it seemed at the time. Oh well. Great game, shitty finish. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Phr33k Report post Posted July 10, 2002 Thought... If Torii Hunter hadn't made that catch, there would be no controversy, because the NL would have won. Selig will blame the Expos somehow, because that's all he can do anymore. get a new commissioner, and FAST. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Blackston Report post Posted July 10, 2002 I've read some posts from some people that spent upwards of 150 dollars. To these people, this game is not just some Spring Training, Exhibition game. This is the game that is supposed to be done for the benefit of the fans all around the country. Granted, the result of the All Star game means absolutely nothing in the grand scheme of things, but to me, this draw game pretty well sums up the inability of baseball to do something special for their fans. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest alkeiper Report post Posted July 10, 2002 They're talking about expanding the rosters. Bullshit. If you can't manage 11 players to go more than 11 innings, you might as well forfeit the game before you start. There's not a pitcher in the world who can't go 2 innings in an exhibition game. Barry Zito pitched to one guy. That's terrible mismanagement. I think there needs to be LESS players in the All Star Game. And less substitutions. Does anyone get excited when Mike Piazza is pulled for Damian Miller, or when MIKE REMLINGER pitches? And if I were there, I'd be pissed too. Yes its an exhibition, but baseball charges double-triple for this exhibition game. Let Brenly and Torre pitch or something. The way I see it, both teams lost. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Choken One Report post Posted July 10, 2002 At first, I was livid. Then I watched the press conference with Brenly and Torre and I understood their viewpoint. I would'nt want to send Lou Pinella's ace pitcher home hurting. Padilla was incabable of throwing anymore. Buck Showalter had a interesting point stating that this tie might have killed anychance of a stirke. So some good out of that. I still find it interesting that Nobody will get the Ted Willams Award...almost as if they are saying that noone can touch Teddy Ballgame. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest bob_barron Report post Posted July 10, 2002 I'm a huge Braves fan so of course I want to see Remlinger pitch. I can understand why they called it but it could've been preventable Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Vern Gagne Report post Posted July 10, 2002 "I still find it interesting that Nobody will get the Ted Willams Award...almost as if they are saying that noone can touch Teddy Ballgame. " It's more like the idiots in media didn't pick a frickin MVP.Pick a damn MVP for christ sakes. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Spicy McHaggis Report post Posted July 10, 2002 I know about all the "finely tuned, million dollar investment superstar" crap. But I blame the primadonnas who aren't willing to suck it up and play a game. This boohoo stuff about pitchers can only pitch two innings... we don't want the ball players to get hurt is unbelievable. The only solution I could think of is to have 5 extra-innings-only reserve Allstars, three pitchers and two fielders. I don't understand why after nine innings the fears of injury all the sudden become huge. There's just as much a chance someone could get hurt in regulation. Why even play the game at all? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest RetroRob215 Report post Posted July 10, 2002 The Man In Blak is right, the managers didn't play the game to win. I also don't see why EVERY player must get playing time, all it does it make the game look like a waste of everyone's time. The managers nor the Bud Selig treated the All Star Game like a real game and in the end that will bite them in the ass. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Shaved Bear Report post Posted July 10, 2002 anyone notice how fast Bud Selig got out of there at the end of the game Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest alkeiper Report post Posted July 10, 2002 A few solutions. 1. Don't change pitchers every inning. Pick 8 starters and 1-2 closers. Let the starters go 2 innings apiece. There's no reason to use 9 pitchers in 9 innings. 2. Treat subs like you would in a real game. Don't feel compelled to play Randy Winn just because he's on the roster. I'm sure most fans would prefer to see Torii Hunter's glovework on display the entire game. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest RetroRob215 Report post Posted July 10, 2002 anyone notice how fast Bud Selig got out of there at the end of the game Supposedly he was going to talk to FOX, but then they went to commercial and he had to leave. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Vern Gagne Report post Posted July 10, 2002 I know about all the "finely tuned, million dollar investment superstar" crap. But I blame the primadonnas who aren't willing to suck it up and play a game. This boohoo stuff about pitchers can only pitch two innings... we don't want the ball players to get hurt is unbelievable. The only solution I could think of is to have 5 extra-innings-only reserve Allstars, three pitchers and two fielders. I don't understand why after nine innings the fears of injury all the sudden become huge. There's just as much a chance someone could get hurt in regulation. Why even play the game at all? So Torre and Brenly should just tell Piniella and Bowa tough shit, your guy is going 5 innings and if he can't pitch on Friday that's too bad. But I guess watching that jerk Pete Rose ruin Ray Fosse's career in a game that doesn't matter is much more better. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Spicy McHaggis Report post Posted July 10, 2002 So Torre and Brenly should just tell Piniella and Bowa tough shit, your guy is going 5 innings and if he can't pitch on Friday that's too bad. Yep. If not, why even play the game at all? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
