MLB All Star Game 2002

[Guest bob_barron]

I agree with Spicy- The people didn't pay all this money to see a tie. It's just another black eye in the many of Selig's career.

 

So Verne- Rose shouldn't try to win?

[Guest swan]

Just another black eye for baseball. With all the shit going down they could of at least played the game out. If they want it to be an All-Star Exhibition with a limit to innings and other rules then label it as such and charge “exhibition” prices. To me a “game” has a winner in baseball, exhibition may or may not. Go on strike and never come back, please!!!!! I’ll take a game at my local minor league team any day over any major league game, regular season or post.

[Guest RetroRob215]

Spicy, I think this is like the 2nd time this has ever happened, but I agree with you 100%.

[Guest swan]

Spicy, I think this is like the 2nd time this has ever happened, but I agree with you 100%.

The last time it ended in a tie was because it was raining, now that makes complete sense.

[Guest Some Guy]

Thsi is not Bud Selig's fault. It is Brenely and Torre's fault. But can you really blame them for using all the players? There were people in Tampa watching to see Randy Winn, people in Milwauke watching to see Sexon and the other guy. Last year teh Red Sox only had Manny there, he got one AB, struck out and disappeared, I didn't care after he was gone beacuse teh guy form my team was gone. The way the game is played and managed is different now and probably should be changed back to how it used to be.

 

In 1978 Bill Martin was the AL manager, he picked Red Sox 2B Jerry Remy, who is now the color man for every Sox game. The All Star game was very close and Martin went over to Remy and said, "I haev to save soem guys in case teh game goes extra." Remy's reply was, "I don't care, Billy. I'm just happy to be here." And Remy meant it, he didn't get in the game and he says he has no regrets.

 

Remy was a solid 2B with who could handle the bat but he was a fringe All Star and theSox had about 5 other guys there that year, the Bucky Dent year if you guys remember. The problem now is that the only fringe All Stars are the only ones picked by there teams, every other guy there deserved it.. I think they should expand teh roster by 4 position players and 4 pitchers, that way you can manage exactly how they did last night and have laft over guys just in case. Every team is represented, and the guys who don't get in will just be happy to be there.

 

BTW for the person who asked why Zito only faced one batter it's because he pitched Sunday and Billy Beane said he could only face one batter. I can't believe I'm defending the Yankee's manager. I think hell just froze over.

 

Someone asked why Selig got out of there so fast? Wouldn't you leave if beer bottles were being thrown at the field and you were in the front row?

[Guest What?!]

For a second I actually thought they might just let position players who already played go to the mound and pitch. Now, that would've been interesting.

 

But alas, even though I understand why the called it a tie, I officially say...

 

Worst. Ending. Ever.

[Guest Tony149]

While this might not be the best idea...they should of made an on the fly decsion to have both managers pick one guy from their team and have a sudden death Home Run hitting contest as a tie-breaker. Just so the fans could go home happy seeing a winner.

[Guest swan]

That would of been cool. The ending is like going to a PPV and the main event ends in a double DQ.

[Guest DrTom]

"But I blame the primadonnas who aren't willing to suck it up and play a game. This boohoo stuff about pitchers can only pitch two innings... we don't want the ball players to get hurt is unbelievable."

 

What's unbelievable is that people are getting this worked up over a bloody exhibition game. So someone didn't win... big goddamn deal. The fans in Milwaukee got 11 innings of excellent baseball from the sixty best players in the majors. They wanted to see the best players put on a quality game? I say that's exactly what they got.

 

Realize, Spicy, that the pitchers are pitching in an exhibition game. Freddy Garcia is vital to the Mariners in the second half, considering they only have a three-game lead on Anaheim. What would possibly be the point of pitching him six innings *between starts for his own team* in a game that doesn't mean anything? It would look REALLY good for baseball if the Mariners blew their lead because their ace wore his arm out in the All-Star game...

 

The solution is to take two closers per side instead of five, and eight starters. Let the starters pitch two innings each -- which would be the equivalent of their normal throwing between starts -- and if a closer is needed in the late innings, go get one. There is no reason to get every player involved in the game. Fans vote on the starters for a reason, and that's not to see them shuffled out after one at-bat so someone else can take their place.

[Guest bob_barron]

If its an exhibition game then why are the tix so expensive???

 

If I went to that game I would've been pissed off immensly.

 

This bullshit tie was preventable and shouldn't have happened

[Guest Kahran Ramsus]

They are so expensive because people are willing to pay it.

[Guest bob_barron]

They wouldnt pay that much if they knew the game would end in a bullshit tie

[Guest Some Guy]

What is the big deal? I hate teh fact that a baseball game ended in a tie, but those fans at the game and those watching got a great game, it had good pitching in parts and good hitting in others. The lead changed back and forth and the game went 11 innigns which is 3 more than they would have expected.

These guys are human no matter what team they play for.

Bob I think you said you were a Braves fan. What if Tom Glavin had said that he would pitch one innng despite the blister and because it was a tie he had to go 5 and ripped teh blister apart and had to go on the DL? I doubt you'd be bitching about a tie if that were the case.

[Guest bob_barron]

Well since the Braves have the best record in baseball and are 9.5 games in front of the Expos- I wouldnt be that upset.

 

I just think this tie could've been prevented.

[Guest Some Guy]

Losing there bast pitcher would effect them? it would leave a big whole in their rotation and cause the bullpen to be used even more. Losing a pitcher of his caliber with Maddux and 3 question mark starters would be a big deal to the Braves.

 

The Red Sox had the best record until we lost our Left Fielder, then the record came down, Glavine is worth as much to teh Braves as Manny is to the Sox, maybe more.

[Guest bob_barron]

I just think this tie could've been preventable that's all.

 

And no MVP?? Whasupwitdat

[Guest Some Guy]

I think it's better that they didn't give out an MVP. Ted Williams (who I just learned was part Mexican, which I found interesting) won two All Start games in his big performances, how can you give an MVP to a peson who didn't win, it's not like a pitcher threw a CG giving up an unearned run and lost 1-0 or someone went 4-4 with 5 RBI and lost.

 

It could have been prevented but it wasn't, it will be next year. They made a mistake and I doubt they'll do it again.

[Guest Downhome]

While I obviously despise the ending of the game, I also see quite a bit of humor in this entire situation. I mean, how fitting is it that this ball game ended in a tie, a "dead lock"? I think it fits the state of Major League Baseball personally at this current time, with all of this strike talk going around. Besides this however...

 

...there is no point in the All Star game in the first place. In my opinion, it has all but lost any aura that it once had. The players are voted in, then some just decide not to show. The intrigue that once went with the game is long gone, as we now have Inter-League play durring the regular season. So gone are the days of a truly heated ball game experiance. Of course, the same can be said about The World Series, but I will not go there. Yeah, I obviously am totally against Inter-League play.

 

Ah yes, it was a fitting ball game, for a fitting sport, at a fitting time. I'm a huge MLB fan, but I am one pissed off fan. I haven't truly enjoyed the sport in years, I'm just sick and tired of how it is presented in the past few years. Not to mention that it's almost simply became a "home run exabition". I have plenty more I can bitch about, but I suppose I'll stop there unless any of you guys wish to probe more out of me, lol.

[Guest RetroRob215]

Spicy, I think this is like the 2nd time this has ever happened, but I agree with you 100%.

The last time it ended in a tie was because it was raining, now that makes complete sense.

What I meant by that was that it was the second time I ever agreed with Spicy.

[Guest Spicy McHaggis]

[Guest alkeiper]

Hate to interupt the love-fest, but the AAA All-Star game is on now. A lot less bullshit, and there's some real talent there.

[Guest MentallyNormal]

That was the highest scoring soccer game I ever watched. Cool Mlb has the little league rule everyone must play how special. Too bad I wanted to see some to cry though. Wow who were some of those dudes in the all star game??

Wow an I never knew they changed the words to the national anthem.

[Guest Choken One]

Call me crazy but I've always hated the stupid Team Representive rule...Becuase of this...We had to limit Pitchers and add the best player on the worst team.

 

With this rule alot of People would be pissed but I would'nt even though most likely if such a rule was in affect this season...Adam Dunn would not have been elected as Outfielder.

 

I'd Say have your starting position players (9-10) and have two replacements per positions each for the non-pitcher roles.

Which means Three players can play 3 innings which means possible two at bats.

 

So with 8 spots there are 24 players. Add 3 starting pitchers that will go 2 innings and have four Closers/Relivers. That makes 32.

 

You will have enough players for each position if you play all spots three innings and pitchers pitch two.

 

I'm sure there are some kinks but if you get rid of the rule of Team representive and put a player max per team it could work...and make an offical rule about Extra innings situations such as this...Like the Home run idea.

[Guest alkeiper]

With this rule alot of People would be pissed but I would'nt even though most likely if such a rule was in affect this season...Adam Dunn would not have been elected as Outfielder.

 

Take heart, Adam Dunn deserved to be there regardless of the one player per team rule. He's currently 2nd in baseball in OBP, behind only Barry Bonds.

 

I'd Say have your starting position players (9-10) and have two replacements per positions each for the non-pitcher roles.

Which means Three players can play 3 innings which means possible two at bats.

 

What baseball game ever needed ten starters? I say 1 replacement per position, with an extra catcher in case of injury. That leaves you with 17 position players.

 

So with 8 spots there are 24 players. Add 3 starting pitchers that will go 2 innings and have four Closers/Relivers. That makes 32.

 

I always though starters were much more deserving than closers. Here's my idea. Six starters, Two closers. That's 8 pitchers. If you let the starters go 2 innings apiece, you should easily cover the game. With 8 pitchers and seventeen position players, you have 25 players total. That should be the limit. No one needs 30 players for a single game. Instead of saying who gets left out. Teams should ask themselves who gets let in.

 

I'm in agreement with a tiebreaker. A penalty shootout style home run derby would work well, though I doubt we'd ever actually see it.

[Guest Choken One]

"What baseball game ever needed ten starters? I say 1 replacement per position, with an extra catcher in case of injury. That leaves you with 17 position players."

 

Since next year occurs in AL...there will be a DH.

[Guest alkeiper]

I see, you've included the pitcher as a starter.

[Guest JHawk]

My take:

 

Most of it's been said. That's an expensive tie, why no MVP, etc. etc.? But one of the appeals of baseball is it can't end in a tie. I love hockey, but I can't watch it in the regular season because you're REWARDED for a freaking tie. Football rarely has them, so no big deal when you get one, but they still suck. The NBE (not a typo) doesn't have them, but since that appear faker than wrestling most times I don't care.

 

I don't mind a tie in spring training. Because it's TRAINING. Very few people are in good enough shape to be extended into a 16 inning game.

 

But we're at the halfway point of the season. Any player who isn't in proper shape by now has one of two people to blame: themselves or their manager.

 

I like the fact that they want everybody to play. I like that every team is represented. (I know the Marlins suck, but tell me Cliff Floyd isn't an All-Star most years.)

 

I remember going to an Indians-Red Sox home opener in 1992. 19 innings, 6 and a half hours. And even though the Indians lost, it was satisfying because there was a winner. It wasn't a colossal waste of time.

 

Let's look at this in another perspective. Say we're in the World Series. Say it's game 7. Say we're in the 18th inning, so the pitchers that are in there are closers who have pitched three innings. Do you think they're calling the game because there's no more pitching? Hell, they're not going to do it for a Tigers-Royals game, and that has absolutely no meaning!

 

Although realistically, we have a strike looming, so it doesn't matter anyway.

[Guest Kingpk]

Well, with all the wrongs in baseball, there's at least one ray of sunshine.

 

 

11 more days until training camp starts and the Champs DEFEND THE CROWN BAYBEEE!!!

 

 

[Guest ant_7000]

Well im glad I didn't pay 150 to probably 500 dollars a seat or travel thousands of miles to see a tie, I would be mad too or at least give out the Ted Williams MVP award that they were hyping up for the last couple of days.

[Guest MaxPower27]

Every team shouldn't be represented at the game.

 

Some Guy said that folks in Tampa were watching just to see Randy Winn. For the record, nobody down here cares about the D-Rays. They could've had a random drawing at a home game, and picked seat 16GGG and he's the player representative for the D-Rays, and nobody would've cared. Actually, he would've been better than anyone on the D-Rays. '

 

I know this sounds stupid, but either recycle the pitchers in an exhibition, or just do a homerun derby.

 

I'd feel scammed too. What with a ticket, hot dog, Coke, and maybe one souvenir, the game probably cost close to 500 bucks. I want a winner. I felt cheated, and quite frankly, this is why I hate All Star games.