A little help on move names...

[Guest RickyChosyu]

I need some clarification on these move names, if anyone would be so kind. Just a brief description would be nice. Thanks in advance:

 

1) Air Raid Crash

 

2) Achilles Tendon Hold

 

3) Key Locke

 

4) Uraken

 

5) Teioh Locke

 

6) Iponzenzi

 

7) GH Locke

 

8) Beach Break

 

Again, any help would be much appreciated.

[Guest Dace59]

1) Air Raid Crash = Kryptonite Krunch

 

2) Achilles Tendon Hold = Lots of ankle hold versions that put pressure on the Achillies tendon

 

3) Key Locke = Key Lock arm bar I think, AKA Cross Arm Breaker

 

4) Uraken = Spinning Backfist, Aja Kong's finisher

 

5) Teioh Locke = Forward Roll Fireman's Carry clutch/ submission hold

 

6) Iponzenzi = I know this one but I just can't remember it.

 

7) GH Locke = No clue, sorry

 

8) Beach Break = You mean Beach Breaker? Backdrop Piledriver Duck head between legs, stand up, hooking legs over shoulders, hold legs, sit down.

[Guest thefrenchargel]

The achilles tendon hold is the one where the person getting the hold applied to them is face-down on the mat, and the person doing it locks the back of the ankle in their hands and uses their shoulder to push in on the top of the foot, bending it so it's straight with the rest of the leg. Rick steiner used it a few times, and it looked like he was sniffing his opponents ass. a keylock's a little harder to explain, it's the hold used by Lyger in the 94 J-cup match on Sasuke. The one where he rolled through while holding Sasuke's arm, kind of looks like a hammerlock, but isn't. Just watch that match, Jushin starts wrenching on it like a mofo.

[Guest RavishingRickRudo]

Iponzenzi - Shoulder throw that Sasake does. Basically has the guy behind him, he grabs his opponents arm over his shoulder and flips forward.

 

A key Lock has the (insert aggressor here) using both hands to force his opponents forearm beyond his elbow (if that makes sense... the arm is in a chickenwing/hammerlock position)..yeah, listen to french..

[Guest wolverine]

"1) Air Raid Crash"

 

http://www.arsionworld.com/vid/yoshida1.rm

[Guest BigTim2002]

Yeah, the Air Raid Crash is also Michael Modest's finisher, "The Reality Check" if I'm not mistaken.

[Guest RickyChosyu]

I had a hunch that's what Air Raid Crash was. Wolverine, just out of curiousity, who is Yoshida hitting the move on in the clip?

 

Teioh Locke = Forward Roll Fireman's Carry clutch/ submission hold

 

I'm not clear on what you mean. Is it the standing Fireman's carry into forward role slam that Finlay, Storm, and Ricky Fuji are known for using, only into a submision locke? If so, where does the submision come into play? If it's just a standard fireman's carry take down (in the amature sense) how is the forward role worked in? Color me confused.

 

Rick steiner used it a few times, and it looked like he was sniffing his opponents ass.

 

Ah, I know that one. It's also in No Mercy listed as the "Anklelocke."

 

A key Lock has the (insert aggressor here) using both hands to force his opponents forearm beyond his elbow (if that makes sense... the arm is in a chickenwing/hammerlock position)..yeah, listen to french..

 

Is the Key Lock done from the front? Sorry, but it sounds like you're describing a hammerlock to me. Oh well, I guess I'll just pop in J Cup '94 to see for myself.

 

Thanks a ton, guys. Much appreciated.

[Guest wolverine]

"Wolverine, just out of curiousity, who is Yoshida hitting the move on in the clip?"

 

GAMI (Mikiko Futagami).

[Guest Jubuki]

:2) Achilles Tendon Hold

 

Achilles hold is a few different things. It's Ikuto Hidaka's finisher (Shawn Capture), what Minoru Tanaka does instead of an enzuigiri when someone catches one of his kicks, it's what Takako Inoue did a lot in her younger days where she grabbed a girl's leg at the ankle, spun around as she fell to the mat, and twisted on the foot. When they're called by announcers, they're all "hizajujigatames" - leg cross hold - so they're all achilles holds even if they're a little different. What frenchargel described is a *reverse* achilles hold; watch Asuka/Hotta 3/26/95 and you'll hear it called 'urahizajujigatame' - ura meaning 'back' or 'reverse', obviously. And with ken meaning 'fist', there's another for you.

 

:3) Key Locke

 

Bret Hart, Liger, El Samurai, Kobashi, Sakuraba vs. Gracie - list goes on and on for this one. Take one hand, grab opponent's forearm/wrist, bend that arm behind their back a la a hammerlock (except you're facing opponent instead of behind opponent when you put their arm back there), then reach through the bend you've created in their arm and grab your own wrist with your other hand to apply more pressure. It can also be done as a counter to a German suplex - Kobashi did it to beat Johnny Smith in the 2000 Carny, and El Samurai used it on Shinjiro Ohtani in their 1/29/96 match.

 

:5) Teioh Locke

 

It's Chono's silly-looking submission. Same thing Steve Blackman does for a finish on No Mercy. Basically a butterfly lock.

 

:7) GH Locke

 

Genki Horiguchi's finisher. Essentially the same as the Stranglehold Gamma (watch any Sasaki or Hokuto big matches post-1995 and you're likely to see it), but Genki does it a little differently by cinching in the armlock with one of his arms and using his other arm to hold onto one of his opponent's legs, ostensibly to make an escape more difficult. Watch his early series with Yasushi Kanda circa 1999 and you'll see him do it to win practically every match. The Beach Break is Genki's too; a little clarification -- imagine someone trying to power bomb you, you counter by holding the backs of their legs and standing up, then you sit straight down once you've stood up. Bull Nakano was the first I'd ever seen to do it. The way the Kryptonite Krunch is done is more like the Beach Break than it is an Air Raid Crash; Yoshida is often imitated and never duplicated.

[Guest art_vandelay]

Hold on, isn't the Achilles Tendon hold the Mutoh move where he puts the opponent's foot into his armpit and sometimes leg scissors the other leg? The move that Funaki and Ultimo Dragon had each other in before bitch slapping each other out of it in JCup 95?

 

And I've heard of the Key Lock in NHB match descriptions, and seen Liger do it in Toukon 3. I didn't know the specifics until now though, it sounds beautiful.

 

:7) GH Locke

Genki Horiguchi's finisher. Essentially the same as the Stranglehold Gamma (watch any Sasaki or Hokuto big matches post-1995 and you're likely to see it), but Genki does it a little differently by cinching in the armlock with one of his arms and using his other arm to hold onto one of his opponent's legs, ostensibly to make an escape more difficult.

 

So the Rings of Saturn 2, plus a leg trap?

[Guest Jubuki]

Hold on, isn't the Achilles Tendon hold the Mutoh move where he puts the opponent's foot into his armpit and sometimes leg scissors the other leg?

 

No, that's a cross knee scissors.

 

So the Rings of Saturn 2, plus a leg trap?

 

Two? I didn't know there was a Two. So I'm sticking with Stranglehold Gamma plus holding the leg.

[Guest Dace59]

Yep, there was a two.

Saturn started using the Strangle Hold Gamma after returning from one of his injuries.

 

The KK isn't much like a Beach Breaker, it only has one leg held and the head cradled to the side.

[Guest Jubuki]

Believe whatever you want, but it starts out far closer to the Beach Break than the Air Raid Crash, which was my point of contention.

[Guest Dace59]

Yep, your are right.

Nova used the same start of the set up.

I've never seen him use the alturnate KK set up from a fireman's carry.

So you are right with that connecnt as far as the set ups go.